Species 8472 vs The Galactic Empire

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » 2002-12-02 06:32am

The old "shield domes" myth. Those are sensor domes. Explain how a ship's shield generators can exist outside the ship's shields?

The Part I see is the exploding dome in ROTJ, the commander reporting forward shields down, and then a fighter slamming into her bridge. I know people have said this before, but that is the truth! How can you ignore such obvious evidence, they did not just show that scene for the hell of it! If the shield generator is inside the ship, and you claim that a SSD is super stronge, then how could they have destroyed it from the outside? EXPLAIN THAT!!! Dont give me that, "The whole fleet was on their ass either, they could not have done that without targeting a specific point, like um, lets say, THE BIG FUCKING DOME ON THE BRIDGE!!!!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 06:50am

Sovereign wrote:
The old "shield domes" myth. Those are sensor domes. Explain how a ship's shield generators can exist outside the ship's shields?
The Part I see is the exploding dome in ROTJ, the commander reporting forward shields down, and then a fighter slamming into her bridge. I know people have said this before, but that is the truth! How can you ignore such obvious evidence, they did not just show that scene for the hell of it! If the shield generator is inside the ship, and you claim that a SSD is super stronge, then how could they have destroyed it from the outside? EXPLAIN THAT!!! Dont give me that, "The whole fleet was on their ass either, they could not have done that without targeting a specific point, like um, lets say, THE BIG FUCKING DOME ON THE BRIDGE!!!!

Don't be stupid.

Admiral Ackbar: "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer". The dome being blown up was a SYMPTOM of the shield going down from being bombarded, not a cause. If the bridge shield wasn't down, things wouldn't be blowing up on the bridge.

You should also explain why these structures, if they are shield generators, do not exist on any other ships at all, and also explain the logic behind having shield generators that cover everything EXCEPT themselves.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-02 08:29am

Sovereign wrote:
The old "shield domes" myth. Those are sensor domes. Explain how a ship's shield generators can exist outside the ship's shields?
The Part I see is the exploding dome in ROTJ, the commander reporting forward shields down, and then a fighter slamming into her bridge. I know people have said this before, but that is the truth! How can you ignore such obvious evidence, they did not just show that scene for the hell of it! If the shield generator is inside the ship, and you claim that a SSD is super stronge, then how could they have destroyed it from the outside? EXPLAIN THAT!!! Dont give me that, "The whole fleet was on their ass either, they could not have done that without targeting a specific point, like um, lets say, THE BIG FUCKING DOME ON THE BRIDGE!!!!

I'll go over this very slowly, and use small words. The shield is protecting the entire surface of the ship. Before you can destroy anything underneath it, you first have to get through the shield. In simple terms: to target "the big f***ing dome on the bridge" you have to get through the shield protecting it. Regardless of what you think the domes are, you can't destroy them until the shield protecting them is down. The sensor dome that the fighters shredded isn't "super strong": the shield protecting it *is*. That had to be DOWN for them to destroy the dome. What you're claiming the fighters did would be like me saying that we could fire a 9mm round through the armor of this tank you keep using as an example to kill the crew. It doesn't work like that: you have to through the shield first to destroy what it's protecting.

Did that clear things up or do we need to post a diagram for you?

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-02 10:11am

I don't see why species8472 are so heavily underestimated. 9 tiny ships blow up a planet and it gets dismissed as if it were no big deal.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:19am

Galaxy wrote:I don't see why species8472 are so heavily underestimated. 9 tiny ships blow up a planet and it gets dismissed as if it were no big deal.

For starters, they're gutlless cowards. If they run so easily they won't put up much of a fight.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-02 10:23am

Stormbringer: Yeah..... sure...... whatever.....

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:24am

Stormbringer wrote:
Galaxy wrote:I don't see why species8472 are so heavily underestimated. 9 tiny ships blow up a planet and it gets dismissed as if it were no big deal.
For starters, they're gutlless cowards. If they run so easily they won't put up much of a fight.

For another, they don't have the firepower to stand up to the Empire- just like the rest of Trek.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:24am

TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: Yeah..... sure...... whatever.....

We are well aware of your views on S8472 Darkling

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-02 10:27am

Galaxy wrote:I don't see why species8472 are so heavily underestimated. 9 tiny ships blow up a planet and it gets dismissed as if it were no big deal.

They blow up the planet through some sort of Treknobabble chain reaction, not sheer firepower. Sheer firepower is what it takes to get through a Star Destroyer's shields.

Species 8472 vs. the Empire = *squish*

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:27am

TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: Yeah..... sure...... whatever.....

They cut and ran after extremely light casualties. You can't win a fight you run from.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:28am

Not to mention a planetary shield. And that their only entry into 'our dimension' from 'fluidic space' is a narrow corridor in Borg territory in the Delta Quadrant.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:30am

Stormbringer wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: Yeah..... sure...... whatever.....
They cut and ran after extremely light casualties. You can't win a fight you run from.

Oh no can we PLEASE not start this one again .... Darkling will say it was like the Empire lost 6 Star Destroyers (as opposed to TIE Fighters), blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It doesn't matter if they're the most brazen suicidal kamikazes in the universe. It doesn't count for shit.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-02 10:35am

Vympel: I wouldnt expect the empire to run after losing 6 ISD's in a regular battle however that isnt the issue here.
You are however incorrect on the limitations of fluidic space.

Stormbringer: They changed their attack plan from charge into defense while they planned the next stage of their war.

Go to a thread with actual info on 8472 here http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5959 instead of this joke of a thread, if you want to learn something of the situation instead of shooting down people with poor debating skills and little to no knowledge of the matter at hand, poor as that maybe.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:36am

Vympel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: Yeah..... sure...... whatever.....
They cut and ran after extremely light casualties. You can't win a fight you run from.
Oh no can we PLEASE not start this one again .... Darkling will say it was like the Empire lost 6 Star Destroyers (as opposed to TIE Fighters), blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It doesn't matter if they're the most brazen suicidal kamikazes in the universe. It doesn't count for shit.

It's relevant. If you don't suck it up and take the casualties you might as well not fight. Species 90210 can't win because they won't actually fight!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:38am

TheDarkling wrote:Vympel: I wouldnt expect the empire to run after losing 6 ISD's in a regular battle however that isnt the issue here.
You are however incorrect on the limitations of fluidic space.

Stormbringer: They changed their attack plan from charge into defense while they planned the next stage of their war.

Go to a thread with actual info on 8472 here http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=5959 instead of this joke of a thread, if you want to learn something of the situation instead of shooting down people with poor debating skills and little to no knowledge of the matter at hand, poor as that maybe.

How am I incorrect on the nature of fluidic space?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:40am

Stormbringer wrote:
It's relevant. If you don't suck it up and take the casualties you might as well not fight. Species 90210 can't win because they won't actually fight!

I hope they do fight. Watching the effect of several gigatons on a bioship is fun!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:43am

TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: They changed their attack plan from charge into defense while they planned the next stage of their war.

If that's what you want to call it. But the fact is against any opponent of equal or greater weight isn't going to cut it. If they won't keep fighting, they'll lose.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-02 10:49am

There's no reason to brand them cowards either. Nothing wrong with strategic retreat.
8472 are obviously willing to do whatever it takes to defend themselves or they wouldn't have lashed out against the borg in the first place.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-02 10:51am

8472 are obviously willing to do whatever it takes to defend themselves or they wouldn't have lashed out against the borg in the first place.

Bzzt Sorry but they where never threaten to begin with, The Borg COULD NOT attack them unless THEY first opened the door and let them in, it was not self defense, it was an attack and they suffered a minor setback(Minor if you have over 300 ships that is which most people claim) and they turned tails, RAN and NEVER came back! That is not strategic withdraw

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-02 10:52am

Vympel: You are incorrect in that the portals aren't limited to a small stretch of Borg spce, want proof? its on the link I provided.

Stormbringer:Against an enemy who can cause HUGE if not total destruction of 8472, the empire isnt upto the task (because they cant strike 8472 at home), 8472 didnt call of the war they changed the way it was being fought until Janeway broked a peace deal (by giving up her only weapon no less).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:54am

TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer:Against an enemy who can cause HUGE if not total destruction of 8472, the empire isnt upto the task (because they cant strike 8472 at home), 8472 didnt call of the war they changed the way it was being fought until Janeway broked a peace deal (by giving up her only weapon no less).

If they retreat, yes they can get away. But that doesn't change the fact that they don't have the will to win.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-02 10:54am

TheDarkling wrote:Vympel: You are incorrect in that the portals aren't limited to a small stretch of Borg spce, want proof? its on the link I provided.

What page? I'm not going through 9 pages!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-02 10:55am

Mr Bean: Erm,m wrongo, the Borg started the war so they crossed over into fludic space first and so did Voyager and soon and they also came back (within 8 months infact) and a few years later they have holdings in the BQ, try to tone down the arrogance especially when you arent sure of your facts its sad to see the rug pulled out from under people in such a manner

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TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-02 10:56am

Stormbringer: They dont try to occupy Imperial space just destroy it.

Vympel:<sigh> I will go find the info.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-02 10:59am

TheDarkling wrote:Stormbringer: They dont try to occupy Imperial space just destroy it.

And you think the Empire is just going to stand by and let this happen? They'll fight back and there will be heavy causualties among S90210. I guess they'd better start that retrograde advance then...