wow, the star destroyer

[Oberleutnant]

@ porkboy

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

[Jason von Evil]

He's probably Bozman, I remember Bozman making similar threats.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

For the record, Piggy, I'm 20.

How old are you?

[Darth Yoshi]

my typing skills are fine, i just choose to type a certain way to be different from the rest. but thank u for correcting yourself, that shows signs of a mature man who knows when to admit his downfalls.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

You type like an incomprehensible idiot to be different?

Do you even realise how stupid that sounds?

[HemlockGrey]

It is obvious that Porkboy is simply an attention-wanting asswipe who cannot even spell. Likely, he is some pathetic, geeky 12-15 yr old who has no friends. He trolls message boards for attention and acts tough in order to compensate for his fucked-up personality and limited intelligence.

His opinion is like his dick, people. It's insignificant.

Porkyboy, you fucking tard, go away. You've made no points, merely provided amusement for whoever happened by. Shove your head back up your ass and live out the rest of your life in that little bubble world where you are king. What, exactly, have you presented?

Just stupid, obnoxious, immature insults.

No refutations.
No arguments.
No reasons.

Therefor,

[Darth Yoshi]

my typing skills are fine, i just choose to type a certain way to be different from the rest. but thank u for correcting yourself, that shows signs of a mature man who knows when to admit his downfalls.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Piggy:

[2000AD]

Can people please read the thread i just set up about a possible solution to the problems with newbies. (it's in this forum)

[Master of Ossus]

i just pointed out that they [ISD's and D'Derix class ships]are nearly identical size, it in no way means they it is more powerful, just a fact. the defiant took out ships bigger than itself many times.

But you also claimed that a Warbird could take on an ISD. Justify this.

we don't know how powerful they are, there are no official numbers, maybe i can guess as all u do about star trek weaponary.

But we DO know that their weaponry is not orders of magnitude more powerful than older weapons in ST. This means that it must be orders of magnitude weaker than ISD's.

assumption, well well. if the star destroyer is as wonderful and powerful as u say, shouldn't it easily be able to?

Let me get this straight, you assume that because an ISD missed with some shots while TRYING not to destroy the small and maneuvering Milennium Falcon, it must also miss a far less maneuverable, and far larger ship? I would point out that an ISD has NEVER missed a Nebulon-B frigate, which is smaller than a GCS and has a MUCH smaller targetting profile.

sorry, never read a star trek book. star trek ships have that power power too, in star trek armada in the opening animation, a cardasian ship is clearly taking out an entire planet with it's primary weapon.

wow, i just read the "star wars vs. star trek in five minutes" very interesting, now are all those facts about megawats and 3.5 jouldsfaggots or whatever concrete published facts? have both the star trek universe and the star wars universe come out with those facts? that was real interesting.

What do mean by "concrete?" They are lower limits, meaning that the SW figures are as low as they can possibly be. The ST numbers tend to be upper limits (meaning that they are as high as they can possibly be), or they are enormously generous lower limits. And BTW, Star Trek books are not canon nor official. Therefore your not reading them means nothing in terms of these debates.

The 200 gigaton figure for Star Wars is an official Star Wars fact from Episode 2 Incredible Cross Sections. However, if you had read the entire document, you would learn the page gives figures from the official literature AND calculations of observed events in both universes from the movies and TV episodes.

ok, now i know u guys have concrete facts about the star wars universe, now where are the sources for your star trek information?

From the episodes and the movies--the only place where we CAN get canonical information about ST.

bad luck? intact and fighting? the entire rebel fleet was cheering, so obviously it was a fatal blow. intact and fighting? haha, i saw it burning and crashing cuz it couldn't operate no more, no luck invovled.

What's your point? They had damaged the Imperial flagship, killed the Imperial Admiral, the ship was going to slam into the DS, AND the ship had lost a great portion of its shields. The fact that the engineering bridge could not regain control of the ship in time to maneuver the ship away from the DS was unfortunate, but does nothing to refute the point. The SSD was intact, and it could have continued the fight had it not been maneuvering so close to the DS at the time.

really? u know what? i saw the empire hits back, and in that one, i remember a scene where there is a big fleet of star destroyers is going thru an asteroid field, and one hits a star destroyer and destroys the top part of it? anyone else remember that? i don't think it was damaged by "concentrated rebel fire", so with those powerful shields that are like 70 trillion zw's, shouldn't it have reflected it or something? just a little confusing, well, thanks

First of all, the movie is "The Empire STRIKES Back." More importantly, the ship's shields were down to allow communication with Vader on the Executor. This is all talked about in Mike's site. If you had bothered to read the page, you would know this.

i don't know about that, the battle was a while back, they had time to repair. plus, we never saw any ships damaged during the battle of hoth, not one.

LMAO! They had no time to repair their ship. They went from Hoth orbit to the asteroid belt. They could have effected minimal repairs while in battle, but they would have been trying to maintain at least partial functions of all of the ship's systems. In order to actually repair a system entirely, it is almost always necessary to deactivate the system for some period of tiem, first.

4) They had to lower their shields to holotransmit with Vader.

i thought vade was on the superstar destroyer? so every ship in the fleet has to lower their shields? it was a regular star destroyer that got destroyed by the asteriod, not vaders ship. and even that guy told vader they were taking heavy damage.

MORON! The ship was COMMUNICATING WITH VADER'S SHIP. IT HAD TO LOWER ITS SHIELDS IN ORDER TO DO SO. Vader's ship would also have needed to lower its shields. What part of this do you not understand?

5) Quantify exactly how much damage was done to the Star Destroyer by that asteroid. The view of bridge structure is completely blocked by the asteroid debris and the scene changes before the debris disperses so you cannot say that the top was destroyed.

well, i heard that admiral say "we are taking heavy damage" so i must assume that it did wat it looked like it did.

You are imagining the quote. He said, "Considering the amount of damage we've sustained, they [the Falcon and its crew] MUST have been destroyed by now." You are misremembering with the intent of intentionally misrepresenting the movie.

can someone just tell me if the facts that i'm being given are concrete and published somewhere or pure speculation? thats all i want to know then ill be on my way

The 200 gigaton statement for Star Wars firepower is a concrete published figure in Star Wars, Episode 2 Incredible Cross Sections.

ok, thank u, now where are the star trek facts? thats all i want to know

We get them from the episodes and the movies--the only canonical sources of ST information.

[Master of Ossus]

BTW, porky, are you always this mind-bogglingly stupid, or is it just something that has happened since you came to this board?

[CmdrWilkens]

Since, on the subject of the asteroid, you couldn't actually respond to me I'll take this opportunity to rip back on your responses eslewhere.

1) The name of the film is "The Empire Strikes Back", not hits.

hahaha

2) Prove that that one asteroid was the only collision in the chase.

how do i prove that? i watched the movie, saw an asteriod take out the star destryoer, wat is ther to prove?[/quote

Therein lies your problem. 1) You have no proof that teh asteroid took out the Star Destroyer, only your assumption which is easily disproven with screenshots of the event.

3) Prove that the Star Destroyer in question had not been damaged in the attack on Hoth.

i don't know about that, the battle was a while back, they had time to repair. plus, we never saw any ships damaged during the battle of hoth, not one.

Only you'd be wrong because you looked at the scene and just assumed what happened rather than actually looking at it and noticing the fact that the SD wasn't damaged beyond minimal scars.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I wonder if this fruit lives in Plainsfield.

[The Yosemite Bear]

I am hoping this is just a test, cause like posting spoilers in the main area, co,pletly ignoring the whole main site, forgetting any of the main firepower calcs. Gee I think the only thing he missed on the checklist was citing "The Outragous Okona"

[Joe Momma]

I am hoping this is just a test, cause like posting spoilers in the main area, co,pletly ignoring the whole main site, forgetting any of the main firepower calcs. Gee I think the only thing he missed on the checklist was citing "The Outragous Okona"

How about citing Lucasarts videogames?

"wel n jedi outcast u cn vapuriz a jedi with 1 ov thos faserlookin guns nd i now ther like faserz cuz elite forse used the sam grafix nd then dark vadr said lik the forse is mor powrful than the death starr and a faser can kil a jedi whou uzez the forse so like a faser is mor powurfull than the death starr!!11!!!1 lol suk that lozrz"

-- Joe Momma

[Darth Yoshi]

Welcome, newbie! *chucks egg* Citing Lucasarts games isn't totally bogus--the plots are still valid, just not the mechanics

[Lord Pounder]

Porkie is a plant. NO human can be this stupid. I weigh about the same as a heavyweight boxer and does that mean i'd be able to go toe-to-tow with him? if that's the kind of logic you are bringing your a fool. Darth Garden Gnome was polite to you and tried to help you. You became an asshole. Truth and Logic will not fall into your lap. You have to make an effort to seek it.

Villiage Idiot for Porkie, or maybe Green Gilled Cock Master.

[Darth Servo]

Porky, learn how to use the quote function. I know MoO and CmdrWilkens already replied to this mind numbing stupidity, but since it was my post that he replied to...

wow, i just saw nemesis, and the schimitar is a very powerful ship, i always thought a star destroyer would have a tough time with a romulan warbird (which is almost the same size as a ISD) and the enterprise, but there is no way a ISD could even take the schimitar. the cloak, 50 disruptor cannons, 2 dozen torpedo bays, a backup shield system, damn, what do u think of a star destroyer vs. schimitar, i say schimitar by a whole lot.

1) He thinks that an ISD is about equal in power to a Romulan warbird because they are about the same size. This is wrong because the size of the ship has NOTHING to do with how powerful it is. S8472 ships are smaller than borg cubes, yet they are more powerful.

i just pointed out that they are nearly identical size, it in no way means they it is more powerful, just a fact. the defiant took out ships bigger than itself many times.

DON'T LIE!!! Anyone can look at your original post and see you're full of shit. You thought that an ISD would have a tough time with a Warbird simply because they're the same size. That argument was proven to be utter bullshit and you're now trying to deny ever having said it.

2) He lists all the Schimitar's capabilities but never says how powerful they are. On modern day soldier with a machine gun can take out hundreds of stick wielding cavemen.

we don't know how powerful they are, there are no official numbers, maybe i can guess as all u do about star trek weaponary.

1) If all you can do is "guess" at how powerful they are then you have no business trying to debate with people who know how to MEASURE how powerful they are.
2) How about these CANON numbers: 400 gigawatts to take down the E-D shields (TNG episode "Survivors"). That is orders of magnitude LESS than one shot from a single LIGHT TURBO LASER on a Star Destroyer.
3)While we don't have official numbers for Trek weapons, we have canon events telling what their weapons were capable of doing and by calculating how much energy it would require to accomplish those feats in real life, we can get close estimates of what Trek ships are capable of doing and they fall short of Star Destroyers again by several orders of magnitude.

2) You assume that it is just as easy to hit a tiny 40 meter target like the Falcon as it would be to hid a 600 meter GCS or a 1200 meter Warbird. Please justify this assumption.

assumption, well well. if the star destroyer is as wonderful and powerful as u say, shouldn't it easily be able to?

1) I believe I already pointed out that in TESB and ANH, the imperials were trying to CAPTURE the falcon, NOT DESTROY IT. Why are such simple concepts beyond your apparently feeble comprehension?
2) You totally evaded the main point which is that it is MUCH more difficult to hit a highly maneuverable 40 meter craft like the Falcon than it is to hit a less maneuverable 600 meter starship like a GCS.
3) We can see in ROTJ that Star Destroyers had absolutely no problem hitting other capital ships in the battle.
4) Of the two fighters making kamikazi runs on the Executor's bridge, only one survives the Turbolaser fire. If they have a 50% chance of hitting tiny 10 meter fighters, they will EASILY be able to hit Trek ships measuring HUNDREDS OF METERS.

3) We know that Star Destroyers are more powerful than the Scimitar because they have accomplished feats requiring greater power, like melting the surface of planets in some of the novels (Base Delta Zero operation) while a GCS needs maximum fire just to drill a hole in the crust.

sorry, never read a star trek book. star trek ships have that power power too, in star trek armada in the opening animation, a cardasian ship is clearly taking out an entire planet with it's primary weapon.

Star Trek games are NOT CANON and therefore inadmissable. Besides, this contradicts DS9's "The Die is Cast" where a couple dozen ships (Cardassian and Romulan) bombarded the surface of a planet and caused no observable damage.

wow, i just read the "star wars vs. star trek in five minutes" very interesting, now are all those facts about megawats and 3.5 jouldsfaggots or whatever concrete published facts? have both the star trek universe and the star wars universe come out with those facts? that was real interesting.

The 200 gigaton figure for Star Wars is an official Star Wars fact from Episode 2 Incredible Cross Sections. However, if you had read the entire document, you would learn the page gives figures from the official literature AND calculations of observed events in both universes from the movies and TV episodes.

ok, now i know u guys have concrete facts about the star wars universe, now where are the sources for your star trek information?

Are you BLIND?!? I TOLD YOU WHERE WE GET THE TREK NUMBERS. OBSERVATION OF CANON EVENTS AND CALCULATING HOW MUCH ENERGY THAT EVENT WOULD REQUIRE IN REAL LIFE.

bad luck? intact and fighting? the entire rebel fleet was cheering, so obviously it was a fatal blow. intact and fighting? haha, i saw it burning and crashing cuz it couldn't operate no more, no luck invovled.

You know, you are a terrible liar. The ONLY flames from the Executer were from the bridge. The Rebels were cheering because they SAW that the Executor was headed straight for the Death Star. The Executor was out of control for a whole 10 SECONDS. That hardly proves that the ship was completely out of control as you ASSUME or that they wouldn't have regained control if they had a little more time.

1) The name of the film is "The Empire Strikes Back", not hits.

hahaha

Why are you laughing? The fact that you couldn't even remember the correct name of the film porves that you are an ignoramus of the highest order, don't know what the hell you're talking and need to STFU.

2) Prove that that one asteroid was the only collision in the chase.

how do i prove that? i watched the movie, saw an asteriod take out the star destryoer, wat is ther to prove?

Again, you're LYING.
1) You did NOT see the asteroid "take out the star destroyer" since the main hull is CLEARLY STILL IN TACT AT THE END OF THE SCENE.
2) The ships commander is STILL ALIVE in the next scene in the holoconference with Vader.
3) As I already pointed out, our view of the ship's bridge is COMPLETELY BLOCKED BY ASTEROID DEBRIS so you CAN'T say it was completely destroyed. YOU NEVER SEE IT!

3) Prove that the Star Destroyer in question had not been damaged in the attack on Hoth.

i don't know about that, the battle was a while back, they had time to repair. plus, we never saw any ships damaged during the battle of hoth, not one.

1) LIAR. We saw the Rebels fire the ion cannon and hit an ISD early in the battle.
2) It is reasonable to conclude that they fired at others as well. Those shots would do some damage to the ISD's systems.
2) A while? Try an hour or two, TOPS. You really think thats enough time to do any serious repairs? The Star Destroyers chased right after the Falcon as soon as it left Hoth.

4) They had to lower their shields to holotransmit with Vader.

i thought vade was on the superstar destroyer? so every ship in the fleet has to lower their shields? it was a regular star destroyer that got destroyed by the asteriod, not vaders ship. and even that guy told vader they were taking heavy damage.

1) Communication is a two way street you imbecile. BOTH the Executor AND the ISDs needed to lower shields to holotransmit. Are there any functional neurons in your skull at all?
2) If an officer is telling Vader that his ship is taking damage, then his ship OBVIOUSLY is STILL IN TACT. Otherwise the officer would be DEAD (Kind of like your brain obviously is).
3) The damage was NEVER described as "heavy." Do you always make up your 'facts' out of thin air like this?

5) Quantify exactly how much damage was done to the Star Destroyer by that asteroid. The view of bridge structure is completely blocked by the asteroid debris and the scene changes before the debris disperses so you cannot say that the top was destroyed.

well, i heard that admiral say "we are taking heavy damage" so i must assume that it did wat it looked like it did.

McFly!!! Hello, hello, anybody home?
1) You did'nt see ANY damage to the Star Desrtoyer. The view of the bridge is COMPLETELY BLOCKED BY ASTEROID DEBRIS.
2) You lie about the quote. The exact quote is, "considering the amount of damage we've sustained, they must have been destroyed." No mention of "heavy" damage, just damage that would have been sufficient to destroy the Falcon.
3) Do you know what the word 'quantify' means? It means describe HOW MUCH damage was actually done. IN NUMBERS. How much hull had buckled, how many internal systems were taken out, etc. You can do NONE of this by merely citing 'heavy damage', so shut your trap.

Someone, VI this guy. Please!!!

[Darth Servo]

How about citing Lucasarts videogames?

"wel n jedi outcast u cn vapuriz a jedi with 1 ov thos faserlookin guns nd i now ther like faserz cuz elite forse used the sam grafix nd then dark vadr said lik the forse is mor powrful than the death starr and a faser can kil a jedi whou uzez the forse so like a faser is mor powurfull than the death starr!!11!!!1 lol suk that lozrz"

OK, that was painful. Don't do that again.

[nightmare]

2) It is reasonable to conclude that they fired at others as well. Those shots would do some damage to the ISD's systems.

If I recall correctly, there's a cutscene in a game where two ISDs were seen hit by the ion cannon.

[Imperial Officer Miller]

the schimitar or wtf ever they call it.. is a weakling compared to a ISD.. and i'd be turn to debris in a few minutes if pitted against a fleet of them. and the cloak.. can be detected easily.. and i am a newbie.. but if i get poked.. you'll wake up to a squad of imperial troops knocking on your door.

[EmperorMing]

the schimitar or wtf ever they call it.. is a weakling compared to a ISD.. and i'd be turn to debris in a few minutes if pitted against a fleet of them. and the cloak.. can be detected easily.. and i am a newbie.. but if i get poked.. you'll wake up to a squad of imperial troops knocking on your door.

LOL!!
Welcome aboard! And we all have our own squads of troopers, thank you.

[Anarchist Bunny]

i am a newbie.. but if i get poked.. you'll wake up to a squad of imperial troops knocking on your door.

Hmmmm, my Kirby horde has been eating a lot lately, and some free food would be nice, plus it'd be good to get some tibanna gas into their diet.

*POKE*

[Exonerate]

I'm sure my Zerg Swarm would enjoy some food...

[Joe Momma]

How about citing Lucasarts videogames?

"wel n jedi outcast u cn vapuriz a jedi with 1 ov thos faserlookin guns nd i now ther like faserz cuz elite forse used the sam grafix nd then dark vadr said lik the forse is mor powrful than the death starr and a faser can kil a jedi whou uzez the forse so like a faser is mor powurfull than the death starr!!11!!!1 lol suk that lozrz"

OK, that was painful. Don't do that again.

Does that mean you're not going to add it to the "SW vs. ST in Five Minutes" page, you Warsie fascists?

(Before anyone asks, yes, I'm kidding...though I fully expect to see the exact argument being floated seriously by Graham Kennedy sometime soon.)

-- Joe Momma