space battle

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-27 09:40pm

could vader and his fleet from esb take on all of star fleet?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-27 09:41pm

I will go with a yes on this one. We are talking about a SSD, and exactly how many ISD were there?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-27 09:45pm

I think 6. Plus fighters, bombers, and gunboats. Star Fleet loses badly.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-27 09:51pm

Up to twenty ships if we go by the novelisation if I remember correctly.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-01-27 09:51pm

Against that many teratons of firepower, even the Borg or the Dominion would go down. The Feds are soooooo screwed

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-27 09:58pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:could vader and his fleet from esb take on all of star fleet?

No.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-27 09:58pm

Why not Alyeska?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-27 09:58pm

(sigh) I thought he said Star Trek, not Star Fleet.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-27 10:00pm

Fair enough. Actually, all of Starfleet gathered together could probably take any one of the ships smaller then the Executor, presuming Death Squadron gets separated enough, the feds have some warning, and they accept the use of mass suicide tactics.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-27 10:02pm

Although if you really wanna get long term (vs. just all the ships appearing in one section of space and duking it out), the Feds could hide, ad start to fight guerrila style.

Hit and runs, false alarms, that whole bit, and it could eventually make the Imp ships run out of fuel. But thats just long term.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-27 10:05pm

Running them out of fuel is very unlikely if they are confining their attantions to the Federation. Besides, they can just threaten Earth with total destruction, and Starfleet will probably take them on in a heroic but doomed effort.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-27 10:26pm

If Death Squadron just sits there and fights all the ships in SF, then I think SF might have a chance. If, on the other hand, Death Squadron is allowed to open things up and use its speed advantage, then SF has little chance of inflicting meaningful casualties on its enemy.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-27 10:43pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Although if you really wanna get long term (vs. just all the ships appearing in one section of space and duking it out), the Feds could hide, ad start to fight guerrila style.

Hit and runs, false alarms, that whole bit, and it could eventually make the Imp ships run out of fuel. But thats just long term.

An ISD is equippede to operate for 7 years IIRC

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-01-27 11:53pm

consequences wrote:Up to twenty ships if we go by the novelisation if I remember correctly.

According to the novel there were 20 captains when Vader gave the order to continue searching for the Falcon, so that's reasonable supposition (although the book also describes another ship taking an asteroid hit than a star destroyer).

Also, do we know if the three ships that collided/nearly collided were out of the picture at that time?

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-01-28 01:23am

This is rather funny. Could an infinitesimal part of the Imperial Navy take on everything in Starfleet? It wouldn't be a viable question if the volume of the Executor didn't rival (or excede) that of ALL of Starfleet's major battleships, the nine Galaxy Class vessels and 4 or 5 Sovereigns. Personally, I don't know who would win in a straight up firefight, but if a campaign were allowed, it would be almost trivial to bring the entire Federation to its knees via a simple BDZ/threaten BDZ with just those twenty ships, with or without Vader in command.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-01-28 06:04am

The Federation couldn't even ENGAGE the Imperial ships, if the Imps didn't want to. They show up, fry a planet and any surrounding starbases or ships in a few hours, and then take off. How long would it take Starfleet to react to that? Several days, at best. It'd take them MONTHS to organize a fleet capable of being a threat to any one of those ships.

Now, granted, Death Squadron couldn't capture and hold every Federation planet (unless the entire population was burned away first), but a Total War rampage? Easily done.

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2003-01-28 07:05am

consequences wrote:Fair enough. Actually, all of Starfleet gathered together could probably take any one of the ships smaller then the Executor, presuming Death Squadron gets separated enough, the feds have some warning, and they accept the use of mass suicide tactics.

I have but one thing to say...
LOL!!!!

Very true, though.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-01-28 09:33pm

Is this starfleet prior or after the Dominion War?

If its the latter, and if they all got together in one spot.....then I can see SF doing a bit of damage to Vader's escort ships, but not to the Executor itself.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-28 09:37pm

Yes, given the firepower of the Executor alone...this wouldn't even be funny.

Combine that with the novelization, it's be worse, but I'd even give it to Death Squadron from the movie.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-28 09:39pm

Federation Starfleet would be hard-pressed to destroy a single ISD, never mind Vader's entire Death Squadron. Look at how much firepower they were able to bring to bear on a Borg cube, and then look at how much firepower ISD's can bring to bear on each other in battle. Hell, look at how much firepower a piddly one-man ship like Slave-1 carries. Slave-1 could have taken out that Borg cube in STFC by itself.

We are the Borg. Resistance is fu- SEISMIC CHARGE DETONATION!

Goodnight.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-01-28 09:46pm

Darth Wong wrote:We are the Borg. Resistance is fu- SEISMIC CHARGE DETONATION!

Goodnight.

Ya know, that would be funny to watch.

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-01-28 10:13pm

This is almost depressing. It's like those superfans skits on SNL. "The Iraqi army vs Ditka." "Ditka destroys the entire army and then has anal sex with Saddam's mother."

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-29 12:13am

Ok so Ditka in command of say, the Millenium Falcon versus the Entire Alpha Quadrant

DIIIIIIIITKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*ok back to reality*

it would be interesting to see how that scenario would play out since the feds couldn't rely on a technobabble solution.

"Have you tried changing the shield frequency?"

"yes"

"What about modulating the omicron wave particle saturizers in the shield generator to increase power?"

"yes"

"What about pinching me to find out if this is just all a bad dream?"

"twice"

"do we have any ideas?"

"surrender?"

FettKyle · Post by **FettKyle** » 2003-01-29 12:34am

I believe I ask a few months back if the Execuetor itself could take on and win against the entire federation and it's allies and we concluded yes. in this case it will just be much quicker.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-29 12:49am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Ok so Ditka in command of say, the Millenium Falcon versus the Entire Alpha Quadrant

DIIIIIIIITKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*ok back to reality*

it would be interesting to see how that scenario would play out since the feds couldn't rely on a technobabble solution.

"Have you tried changing the shield frequency?"

"yes"

"What about modulating the omicron wave particle saturizers in the shield generator to increase power?"

"yes"

"What about pinching me to find out if this is just all a bad dream?"

"twice"

"do we have any ideas?"

"surrender?"

"Sir...there's something on long range sensors....sorry I mean short range sensors....I mean its right on top....."

Starfleet vessel then demonstrates the great 'bug-on-windshield' principle....

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