"Admiral" Janeway: Worst fuckup?

[Eleas]

I saw, to my horror, that thread of Picard being court-martialed. Horror, because any sane person could see that there were other far more fitting candidates for trials. Such as a certain gravel-voiced crone from a spoon-shaped starship.

My question, in any case, is this: what was the most stupid/illegal/hypocritical/immoral thing Admiral Kathryn Janeway has done?

[Patrick Ogaard]

How about collaborating with the Borg and being directly responsible for enabling the assimilation of the populations of entire worlds?

Properly speaking, as the Borg and the Federation are in a de facto state of war, Janeway's actions should be counted as high treason, consorting with the enemy, multiple counts of genocide (or billions of counts of murder based on depraved indifference?) ...

All in the name of allowing 150 people to avoid several decades of travel time.

[Mr Bean]

Yes giving the nano-probes to the borg and turning them from tecno-scavengers into *Dumb Vampires was pretty bad

But on the other hand she manage to destroy a Villianious alien of the week AND the Borg(The probes seem to have taken another fifty points off the 58 IQ they had before) at the same time

[Dark Primus]

I think even the idea of Janeway's character to exist is stupid even by trek standards.

[Stravo]

IIRC AND keep in mind I only saw the pilot once, Janeway had a chance to return to the AQ before the array was destroyed, but instead remained behind to help protect the Ocampa. NOW the Ocampa would be protected by the Prime Directive thus Janeway should NOT have helped them, she should have thought about getting her crew and her ship home.

Add to that the various times she has gone out of her way to investogate some gaseous anomaly, etc instead of just making a beeline for home and hauling ass.

She was an AWFUL commander and if I were a member of her crew I would have fragged her a LONG time ago in favor of Chakotay who did understand the whole point of their mission - get home.

[Singular Quartet]

They were all bad. Now when can she be shot?

[Imperial Federation]

Janeway's also guilty of giving recreational technology to the Hirogen, while refusing to give life saving technology to the Kazon, despite how dangerous they were as enemies.

She's also a murderor.

[Doomriser]

The Court Martial of Captain Janeway: [very thorough]

http://www.treknation.com/articles/cour ... ntro.shtml

In addition, I know why she was promoted.

To keep her out of the captain's chair.

[Eleas]

The Court Martial of Captain Janeway: [very thorough]

http://www.treknation.com/articles/cour ... ntro.shtml

In addition, I know why she was promoted.

To keep her out of the captain's chair.

Doomriser, I thank you. I'm going to need popcorn for this.

[Captain Cyran]

I wouldn't be surprised if Janeway had made a dumbass mistake in every episode. I had watched the first episode of that series and then in the seond one she was being attacked by some alien and when the enemy went into an asteroid where she couldn't detect them she brought the Voyager in through a hole that barely fit the ship not to mention they had no clue where the enemy was...After that incident I stopped watching Voyager.

[Ender]

To keep her out of the captain's chair.

The Dilbert Principle is still alive and well in the future.

[Master of Ossus]

Janeway seems to have deliberately violated the Prime Directive on a weekly basis. I especially liked how she repeatedly counted on Chakotay (a former Maquis member) to act as her conscience and prevent her from doing anything to violate the Directive. Is she a SF officer or not?

[Raziel]

Janeway is an inconsistent character, let alone a fuckup. Sometimes she's all "Oh, we're a STARFLEET crew. We couldn't POSSIBLY interfere/get involved/help out this or that group, even though it'll shave 20k lightyears off our journey." and sometimes she's the most gung-ho, 'damn the torpedoes!' type-captain since Kirk. She offends me in BOTH roles, mostly because most of the situations she lands herself in are her own damned fault, since if she were actually concerned with getting her crew home she wouldn't be poking her self-righteous nose into every nebula and regional conflict she comes across.

For starters, she shouldn't be stuck out in the damned delta quadrant in the FIRST place! Rather, she stayed behind and destroyed the array to help out the Ocampa (interference). I see two things that she should have done. First, the BEST thing (according to Federation law) would have been to just bug out and leave all parties involved to their own devices. Even if she were bent on interfering and helping out the hapless Ocampa, she could have just left a few torpedoes with TIMED FUSES rigged to blow the array to hell AFTER Voyager facked off.

Such a painfully simple (and obvious) solution, but we all know the aversion ST writers have to such things as good writing and believable dilemmas, let alone consistent characters. Actually, maybe Janeway's inconsistency ISN'T a product of bad writing, it's a product of clever writing! Anybody else here have girlfriends who go on the warpath when they PMS?

[Patrick Degan]

I read through the trial transcripts, such as they are. In my view, you could toss every other charge and go with the two which get her the death penalty:

Charge 1: TREASON

Charge 2: AIDING AND ABETTING GENOCIDE

SPECIFICATION: in that, on stardate 50984.6, Katheryn Janeway, then in command of the Federation starship USS Voyager, formed a private alliance with the Borg Collective, with whom a state of war presently exists, for the whole purpose of advancing the interests of one starship crew over and above the interests of her nation, the United Federation of Planets. She agreed to exchange of sensitive technology with an enemy power for navigational passage through enemy space and in so doing to aid and abet the efforts of the Borg Collective to assimilate the race known as Species 8472, with whom the Borg Collective were then in a state of war. Since assimilation effectively eliminates the distinctive genetic and cultural heritage of the target race, and since the Borg were in the process of losing a genocidal war being waged by their would-be victims, the survival of the Collective was directly at stake. Given the Borg record, a record of action unchecked by any moral or philosophical considerations whatsoever, the annihilation of Species 8472 as a distinct race was implicit in the consequences of Borg action against that race and effectively amounts to attempted genocide.

FURTHER SPECIFICATION: the actions of Katheryn Janeway placed a Federation representative unit in favour of one side over the other in a war which the United Federation of Planets had no involvement in, thus drawing the emnity of that race against the UFP where none previously existed. Furthermore, had the Borg succeeded in assimilating Species 8472, the addition of 8472 technology would provide the Borg with yet one more weapon in its overall campaign to assimilate the races targeted by the Collective and of the Alpha Quadrant races so targeted. Katheryn Janeway's actions placed the Federation directly at hazard from both sides in the Borg/8472 war and thus constitues a complete disregard not only for Federation law and Starfleet regulations, but also the lives and freedom of Federation citizens and other sentients.

In summation, Katheryn Janeway, captain of NCC 74656 Voyager, acted with total disregard for the interests of the United Federation of Planets. She advanced her own interests over that of her nation. She concluded private deals involving technology transfer with a declared enemy of her nation. Said enemy power intended to use the transferred technology as a weapon of war against another race then engaged in war against itself and in so doing curried the emnity of that race. No attempted argument in mitigation on the basis of extraordinary circumstance being faced by herself and her crew negates the consequences of her unthinking and illegal actions. No mere starship captain is empowered to conclude private alliances without authourisation of Starfleet military or Federation diplomatic and governmental authority. Therefore, Katheryn Elizabeth Janeway is guilty of the charges presented.

That's GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!

[Mr Bean]

The Court finds you Gulity!
The penility is death
You shall be taken from this court to a place of excuition and hung by the neck until you are dead,
Gotta love the old British Methods(Thats how fast it was too)

[Imperial Federation]

*runs to the gallows*

I've got front-row seats! I've been waiting years for this!

[Eleas]

I read through the trial transcripts, such as they are. In my view, you could toss every other charge and go with the two which get her the death penalty:

Charge 1: TREASON

Charge 2: AIDING AND ABETTING GENOCIDE

I've examined the defense. I find it lacking in real substance. Especially since, in many ways, it hinges on "General Order number [X]" as a get-out clause. Where are they from, and are they even admissable? If so, would this change anything for the defense?

[Doomriser]

The Court finds you Gulity!
The penility is death
You shall be taken from this court to a place of excuition and hung by the neck until you are dead,
Gotta love the old British Methods(Thats how fast it was too)

The penility?

[Mr Bean]

If you want somone who cares about spell Doom
Ask a Grammer Nazi

Or somone whos has English as thier first language

[Typhonis 1]

Mr.Ban I find your waste of rope offensive this higher court herby sentences Katherine Janeway not to be executed but to be married...To one Wesley Crusher Death is a release we want to punish her remeber?

[Typhonis 1]

I mean Mr.Bean sorry my spelling is terrible and English is my native tounge

[Asdeed]

Janeway's guilty of too many crimes to count, but the one that genuinely disgusted me was when she murdered Tuvix. Not that he didn't need killin mind you, but she friggin wiped him outta existence!!

Even if Starfleet looks over the violation of it's many laws, there should still be SOME kind of Federation legal system that can nail the bitch for stone cold murder.

[Darth Yoshi]

Mr.Ban I find your waste of rope offensive this higher court herby sentences Katherine Janeway not to be executed but to be married...To one Wesley Crusher Death is a release we want to punish her remeber?

Damn that's low. Not even Vader would suggest such a thing.

[Isolder74]

Janeway is defenitally guilty of high treason. But unfortionatally the PC Feds have done away with capital punishment. It seems that they have even done away with punishment period. She'll get off on some technicallity.

[Datana]

Ugh. What a miscarriage of justice. Treknation opened up the "trial" to popular vote at the end of the presentations of the prosecution and defense, and Janeway was acquitted by over two-thirds. The General Directives are, if I recall correctly, from the FASA Star Trek roleplaying game, and should be considered non-canon (weakening the already weak defense). Anyway, it seems that you just can't win against determined and concentrated otakuism and illogic. At least we know how such a thing would really turn out, yes?
Get the scoop here: http://www.treknation.com/articles/cour ... lbag.shtml.