A disturbing theory about ST weapons figures

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-08-27 08:20am

Remember, this is just a theory, but it has been haunting me for a while.

Have you ever wondered why Federation starship phasers have such laughably low power readings as 5.1 megawatts?

Have you ever wondered why, in one episode of NG (I've forgotten which), the Enterprise-D braces itself for an assault of a mighty 4 kilojoules?

I have a suspicion that many of the ST writers were so ignorant of scientific measurement that they assumed that MEGAWATTS and MEGAJOULES and (God forbid) MEGATONS were EXACTLY THE SAME THING!!!!!

Can you imagine a SW novel in which the heavy turbolasers of an ISD are described as each having "a mighty 200 gigawatts!!!!"

In a sense, ST has been commiting exactly the same goof over and over again.

We should be grateful that we have the cross sections book to settle things ...

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-08-27 09:15am

But ...

I have it on good authority that the heaviest guns of an ISD have a mighty 2 kilowatts of power output.

Here's the URL:

http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/starwars/index.html

The site appears to neatly sum up a great number of standard means of boosting ST over SW, including implying that the DS superlaser is a primitive antiproton weapon that disrupts the electromagnetic coherence of target planets, as well as stating that the SW galaxy is a small satellite galaxy of a dwarf galaxy.

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-08-27 09:24am

2 kilowatts wouldn't even inspire a T-rex to scratch its arse.

And I love the way he says that the Death Star Superlaser is a mighty 5 gigawatts!!! Oh my God, the awesome firepower almost rivals a WW2 battleship!!!!

Then again, we could always pretend that the entire SW universe is populated by microscopic people (like one mentioned in The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy), and that the Death Star is really 1 m wide, and the planets are generally the size of today's office blocks ...

No, wait, some Trekkies might start taking that seriously ...

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-08-27 09:39am

I'm glad you liked the link.

It's quite a fascinating site, and it's obvious that an incredible level of work went into trying to shoehorn Star Wars in far below Star Trek in terms of firepower and protection. It's not remotely convincing, but it seems sincere.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-27 09:51am

The Galactic Empire
The Second Death Star
10 Super Star Destroyers
100 Imperial Star Destroyers
1000 Imperial Star Cruisers
~200000 TIE-series starfighters

ermmmm?

likewise, there were doubtless several other Super Star Destroyers present at the Battle of Endor, as indicated by Admiral Ackbar's order to "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer" as opposed to "the Super Star Destroyer").

wha?

Super Star Destroyer
Kuat Drive Yards
Length 17600m, Mass 2,000,000,000 tons
8 MGLT top speed
1 degree/sec maneuverability
1.3 cochrane hyperdrive core
250 Type-5 turbolaser cannons (2 kilowatts)
250 Type-5 ion cannons (1 kilowatt)
250 Type-4b laser cannons (400 watts)
250 Type-6 concussion missile tubes (@2 missiles / s) with @70 missiles
3 kilogram heavy concussion missiles
40 tractor beam projectors
Titanium-reinforced alusteel single hull
35 J instantaneous directed KE resist
1.2*106 J instantaneous directed KE capacity (hull)
3*104 J instantaneous directed KE capacity (per deflector tower)
EM polarized hull plating
400 watt repolarization rate
350 J instantaneous directed KE resist
2.4*106 J instantaneous directed KE capacity
1,440 Fighters

hmmm.

Darkstars website is looking better and better.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-08-27 10:38am

Luckily, though, this fellow is not spamming these boards with triaxially rotating ignorance fields and is safely curled up in his own little website.

At least, I hope that's the case.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-27 10:47am

E-mail this one the Ep II ICS. Stat.

BioDroid · Post by **BioDroid** » 2002-08-27 10:55am

Did you check out his version of the Star Wars Galaxy? Everything is lumped within a 100ly diameter directly in the Galactic Core!!!

Plus his firepower ratings for the Starfleet ships is extremely laughable (And I love his isomegaton and isogigaton doubletalk!)

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-27 10:57am

250 Type-4b laser cannons (400 watts)

It's a glorified light bulb!

Imperial Federation · Post by **Imperial Federation** » 2002-08-27 11:26am

Worst. Case. Ever.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-27 11:49am

My god...

Anyone else notice that, according to him, Wars ships don't even have shields, just polarized hull plating like the Akiraprise features?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-27 12:34pm

Whenever you think you're the best at something, sooner or later you'll find someone who can do even better.
Seems like DarkStar isn't the ultimate trekkie idiot.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2002-08-27 01:15pm

Hyperdrive CORE?!

WTF?! You don't meausure the hyperdrive's core you measure the HYPERDRIVE!! AARRGGHH!! It sounds so much like the warp core, it's making me sick!
And those type 3b repeating blaster @ 40 watts looks pretty impressive (not).
And what good would a polarized hull plating do to a turbolaser blast?

He author of that page must have come up with that crap all by himself, while laying in his bed and thinking of the "hot" borg-queen!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-27 01:19pm

Rathark wrote:2 kilowatts wouldn't even inspire a T-rex to scratch its arse.

And I love the way he says that the Death Star Superlaser is a mighty 5 gigawatts!!! Oh my God, the awesome firepower almost rivals a WW2 battleship!!!!

Then again, we could always pretend that the entire SW universe is populated by microscopic people (like one mentioned in The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy), and that the Death Star is really 1 m wide, and the planets are generally the size of today's office blocks ...

No, wait, some Trekkies might start taking that seriously ...

The Death Star would likely still have enough power on that scale to destroy Trek ships..

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-08-27 01:40pm

Hmmm at that scale a Death Star would be a nightmare for the Federation to face .*LMAO*could you see them trying to hit a 1 meter sphere???

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-27 02:04pm

Well it seems the 12,000 federation fleet size was wrong after all, berhold the true makeup of starfleets forces.

424 Warships
50 Sovereigns
10 Prometheuses
306 Defiants
58 Lakotas
120002 Starships of the Line
176 Galaxys (Venture subtype)
304 Galaxys
673 Ambassadors
1704 Nebulas
238 Nebulas (Phoenix subtype)
232 Nebulas (Melbourne subtype)
976 Excelsiors (Enterprise-B subtype)
3928 Excelsiors
770 Rigels
5 Tridents
114 Constitutions
3930 Centaurs
1873 Akiras
83 Constellations
1388 Niagras
387 Challengers
2320 Steamrunners
54 Defenders
6 Griffins
485 Intrepids
120 Yeagers
174 Springfields
4202 New Orleans
1 Soyuz
7733 Mirandas (Avenger subtype)
927 Mirandas
14 Polarises
544 Freedoms
18 Gages
6668 Sabres
2759 Norways
1254 Cheyennes
76014 Other Classes
68300 Science and Transport Vessels
1139 Denevas
3584 Shelleys
1064 Mirandas (Lantree subtype)
1058 Apollos
325 Novas
20811 Oberths
930 Olympics
1126 Sydneys
38263 Other Classes
188726 Major Starships
238698 Minor Starships
4470 Gamma-type Raiders
6276 Beta-type Raiders
3766 Alpha-type Raiders
7475 Scoutships
17985 Danube-type Runabouts
198915 Other Classes
427424 Total Starships

After all this time how could we have been so wrong

.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-08-27 02:08pm

GOD,you can just hear this moron grunting in pleasure as he wrote down that list with ABSOULTELY no cannon to back up a SINGLE number. It's utterly laughable....who is this guy and can we coax him to come here?

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-08-27 02:29pm

Wow. Now the Sovereign class is capable of 200 megacee and has shields with a peak energy dissipation rate of 1 exayottawatt, and a 4.92e60 J "instantaneous directed KE capacity".

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-27 02:35pm

1 Runabout Vs The Galtic Empire, the Chiss, The Alliance and the Vong.

Its not really fair but its the easiest it can be made for SW

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Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-27 02:52pm

Dooey Jo wrote:Hyperdrive CORE?! WTF?! You don't meausure the hyperdrive's core you measure the HYPERDRIVE!! AARRGGHH!! It sounds so much like the warp core, it's making me sick!
And those type 3b repeating blaster @ 40 watts looks pretty impressive (not).
And what good would a polarized hull plating do to a turbolaser blast?

The author of that page must have come up with that crap all by himself, while laying in his bed and thinking of the "hot" borg-queen!

Baaah, the most rabid trekkie's wettest dream. I don't know what's worse, his transition of ST terms on SW tech (hyperdrive core) or his 'arguments' for trek - while those arguments are nothing but this guy jacking off and then presenting the cum as proof that ST is better than SW.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-27 03:03pm

*Looks at the web site

Lungs collapsing... Lack oxygen laughing so hard.....

427,424 Ships

Hmm at an avarage of 8000 people per ship(Fair asumpiton unlike everything else there) 34,193,920,000 Crewers total
So 34 Billion people over 150 Planets 22,795,946 citizins of every planet must be on a Star-Ship Some-where

................
LOL
Espcialy considering we know thier Eight Most poplated Planet has just over a million people on it. I wonder where everyone else went?(Does this mean Picard Family are the only ones left on earth running the planet while the other 99% of the Popluation is off on a Star-Ship?)

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-27 03:09pm

No Bean old chap you are forgetting the 1000's of Colonies the Federation has across its 31000 LY empire.

Just look at his map, its all explained http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/map.html .

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-08-27 03:21pm

I like the way this idiot, actually make that Quantum phase polarity inverted idiot core totally ignores the cannon evidence that the Dominion is bigger than the federation

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-27 03:25pm

I was sure the romulan empire was in the beta quadrant.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-08-27 03:29pm

Get this, he establishes the location and size of the Star wars galaxy aby using E.T. Yes ET the extra terrestrial!

therefore he is admitting that SW hyperdrive can reach the federation.

Where did you lot unearth this prehistoric minute brained animal?