hoth scenario

[Dartzap]

right heres an idea i have been wodering about its a imperial base on hoth which is a teest facilty for new hyperdrives but it has been found by the feddies whose warp tech is below th etech leval of an ant so they try to aquire the hyper drive tech but they hit a snag the place is coverd with a planertery sheild so they can not transport it away so how on earth will thay get well the place is a fortress and a ver well defended one so they need a diversion they call in any atmosshere caperbles with a landing ger and modify them to carry troops so how do they get while a massive attack is going at head on the base please feel free to add what each side has for combat

[Faram]

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Right here is an idea I have been wondering about, its a imperial base on hoth which is a test faculty for new hyper drives.

But it has been found by the feddies whose warp tech is below the tech level of an ant. So they try to acquire the hyper drive tech.

But they hit a snag the place is covered with a planetary shield so they can not transport it, away so how on earth will they get it.

Well the place is a fortress and a very well defended one so they need a diversion; they call in any atmosphere capable with a landing gear and modify them to carry troops.

So how do they get while a massive attack is going at head on the base please feel free to add what each side has for combat


Welcome to the board antitrek

[Dartzap]

thanks for your help faram i have a problem my hands being bad so thanks for what you have done


right for the mission i think the feddies should have 1000 soldiers ans whaterver tthe passenger samont is for a intrepid class since thats the only way there going to get on to the planet the stormis can have wwhat ever a fottress may have mwhahahahah!!!

[Zoink]

Well I see the one Intrepid vessel landing outside the shield and deploying its complement of:

1000 Federation ground troops.
Armed with standard phaser rifle and the federation Mark IX winter parka (in bright red colour). 10% Armed with Phaser Bazooka.

1 Command Shuttle
Similar to Delta Flyer.

12 "Ground Breaker" Assault shuttles
Such a scenerio would clearly call for a new type of shuttle to be invented by Berman & Bragga. same stats as regular Voyager shuttle with sharper edges to make it look meaner. Each with a 6-man commando team ready for transport (same as regular ground troops but these guys are officers and stuff), wearing active camoflage.

24 "Winter Bee" Snow Assault Buggies
Haven't seen nemesis but I guess its a dune buggy with a phaser somewhere.

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VS
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500 Storm Troopers
Garrison Troops. Mixed blaster 80%, light-repeating blaster 20%.

6 Heavy E-Web blaster squads
That big gun they were setting up on Hoth to shoot the falcon.

1 AT-AT walker

3 AT-ST walker

12 Speeder Bikes

12 Tie Fighters

6 Fixed Heavy Turbolaser batteries.

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Federation, using some Technobabble land outside the shield undetected. Both Federation and Imperials begin deployment at the same time.

Both Feds and Imperials have reasonable knowledge of others capabilities (imperials know of transporters and camoflage, feds know defensive complement, aren't going to look at AT-AT and say what the heck?...)


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I give it to the imperials

[Typhonis 1]

1000 Redshirts and an Intrepid vs an Imperial Fortress with a theatre shield a dozen TIE fighters 250 stormtroopers plus emplaced defenses and holonet comm to possible reinforcements plus an Ion cannon possibly......hope the Feddies bring alot of bodybags

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

The Imps would have the AT-ATs, and better equipment, as well as camoflauged troops.

[Admiral Drason]

The Red shirts would die horrably. That means more glory for the Empier Hahahahaha

[Darth Yoshi]

The walkers alone would mean hell for the Feddies. Imagine giant 30 meter tall APC that shakes the ground walking through the Feddie formation while the AT-STs box them in.

[Typhonis 1]

If they have emplaced heavy turbolaser batteries then the Intrepid is Toast complete with jam if it tries to overfly the base and transport troops down .The shuttles are going to be raped by the TIE fighters and the Redshirts well the tech crews will be cleaning em from the Walkers feet for weeks

[Dartzap]

right today we are having a special deal buy one sqaud get one fre on .........darktroopers because i have a trekkie nextbto me and he is insulting stardestroyers and i think now the feddies can have 7 intrepid classes and 50 dune buggy with 4000 troops but on the there way in 6 ships pop out of hyperspace all of these ships are vsds now whats should theyy do chase the ships in the atmosphere then deploy there fighters by the ways he claims he is not a trekkie buit he is always debattinbg with me so i think we xcan now kill him

[Lord of the Farce]

If we go on a scenario based on Zoink's and the actual Battle of Hoth, then the Federation people gets Slaughtered with a capital S. Those shuttles for one thing are not going to be able to get in through the shields, and the AT-AT, fixed batteries (I'm assuming that those are suppose to be like the Rebel's dish lasers) and E-Web crew would be picking off redshirts left, right and center long before they ever get within 18km of the base.

[Mr Bean]

Yes its not even funny when you consider the 100 Meter Range of Red-Shirts(AT BEST) Vs the 300 Meter to 50,000 Meter Range of the Weaponry of the Stormys

Most of which is full auto able mind you

[Failed Glory]

Would even a single Stormtroper die in battle? The cold would take a larger toll.

Those ST weiner-troops would probably need environmental suits for the cold, too, making them slow, large, and simple targets.

[Tsyroc]

Would even a single Stormtroper die in battle? The cold would take a larger toll.

Those ST weiner-troops would probably need environmental suits for the cold, too, making them slow, large, and simple targets.

"Just aim for the light at the top of the big freakin' dome they call a helmet".

Nothing like lighting up your face (as a target) when you go into combat.

[Evil Jerk]

Would a base like that have mine fields?
Because then they could just sit there and laugh while the Feddies get their butts blown off.

If not, well. "Target Practise" comes to mind.
And if the Feds want to make themselves real easy to spot, they can use their tricorders

[Singular Quartet]

SO, we've decieded that the red-shirts bodies get covered up by snow in four hours, right?

[Evil Jerk]

SO, we've decieded that the red-shirts bodies get covered up by snow in four hours, right?

Well, unless some rabid Trekkie comes along and starts going on about wide-beam stuns, Federation battle tanks and portable cloaking devices and portable shielding and...

[Failed Glory]

With enough bodies, I suppose they could bury the base in bodies. Then dig up what's left.

[Tsyroc]

SO, we've decieded that the red-shirts bodies get covered up by snow in four hours, right?

Well, unless some rabid Trekkie comes along and starts going on about wide-beam stuns, Federation battle tanks and portable cloaking devices and portable shielding and...

I always wondered why whenever someone borded a Federation ship the security teams didn't just wide-beam stun everyone in the area and sort out the mess when the ship was secure. In fact, in only one episode of Voyager did I see anyone use wide-beam in the post-TOS era. (A possesed Tuvok stunned everyone on the bridge).

[CmdrWilkens]

I think the real debate is how would the redshirts die:

1) Killed in glorious battle, though killiong not a single Imperial

2) Hopelessly frozen in the wasteland of Hoth when their treknobabble finally breaks down under the crushing reality of -40 dyalight.

3) Laughably mauled to death by Wampa Ice Creatures and eaten

4) Laughably mauled to death by Tauntauns and eaten.

[Dartzap]

no the base would not have mine but i expect they would like to give there trainee at at drivers a test in combat oh was i ment to trampl e them ?

[Nathan F]

Well, im a wars fan and sort of a trek fan mind you, so I think I can give a somewhat unbiased account on this one. Ok, first of all, the intrepid class you are talking about could just hang in orbit and send down torpedoes and phaser blasts (unless there is a star destroyer it has to worry about). And another thing we have to remember, the Feds shields are much better than the imps or alliance shield tech. So, it is possible that it could just fly around strafing the ATATs and Im pretty sure that a phaser blast could disable an ATAT. And if a phaser didnt work, they always have torpedoes. But the imps are defending the place, and as they say, to successfully attack a well defended position, the odds need to be 4:1 at least. I would say that command would have a big issue here, because both sides have certain advantages and disadvantages

[Mr Bean]

Ok first you come with a trolling post Utvol then you make THIS claim?

And another thing we have to remember, the Feds shields are much better than the imps or alliance shield tech

.... Realy?

Seems to me this is twice you show disgard for how bad a ST, SW fight IS, SW Fighters Mount Kilo-ton level weaponry(Hint think *Big boy and little Boy nukes they droped on Japan) Except Concetrated along a single path makeing them a hell of an anti-armor weapon, they slag and vap TIE Fighters sometimes completly and those little ships can fly at speeds approching C without any shielding Tech and Micrometers at the speed are extremly nasty yet TIEs fly through them no problem
The Speeders themsleves that Faced the AT-ATs mounted similar weaponry and the armor of the AT-AT's shruged it off, Considering the dual weapons and some quick calcs they took roughly half a mega-ton in damage in one section and shruged it off, If you'd like to say that Feddy Shuttles mount mega-ton leve Proton torps(42 Mega-tons to be a bit more specific) by all means go ahead however I can simply point out ONE of those suckers is nearly half the length of the Shuttles we are talking about and thus QUIET unlikley


Second as for the shield strength comment you do know that 450 Mega-tons is the best ANY Federation vessel has ever taken(The E-D) and survived(And the E-D was drifting pretty much dead after that)

And then consider a twenty year old Star Wars Transport mounts 200 Giga-ton weaponry and you see exactly how bad the situation is

[Failed Glory]

Do you think your Tie fighter/micrometeor argument may be somewhat flawed...

I'm sure I've seen Fed ships run battle and cower from confrontation at c-plus with a downed deflector sheild. If micrometeors are harmful at c, imagine hitting one at beyond the speed of light? Perhaps you've underestimated their hulls.

Voyager 1 and 2 are travelling at a good portion of c out of our solar system and haven't been taken out by micrometeor yet in 25 years. Maybe Ties aren't meant to take many hits of this type?

In any case, a ground assualt would never achieve its' goal of sheild destruction, and air superiority is therefore a moot point. A covert op is the only way to get this done.

Even if the Feds made it to the base, I'm sure the Imp commander would destroy the base rather than have such information fall into the hands of Fed scum.

[Mr Bean]

I'm sure I've seen Fed ships run battle and cower from confrontation at c-plus with a downed deflector sheild. If micrometeors are harmful at c, imagine hitting one at beyond the speed of light? Perhaps you've underestimated their hulls.

Your comparing a Cap-shit to a fighter? AND mind you somthing that is fleeing at subspace? A Cap ship is a cap ship but even a fist sized rock won't do a ton of damage even if we orbited an Iowa up and threw it at it at the ship because although the ship can't take explosive decompression the fact is that a Cap-ship has room to put armor on there while a Fighter by its very nature does not

However heres a RW comparison, The Windows on the Space shuttle are around a foot thick and twice they have been broken(Or nearly so) before by Micro-metors

Meanwhile the TIE Transpara-steel windows(Its some sort of composite) are strong enough not only to deflect a heavy blaster for quiet some time but micro-meters like one might hit in say an astroied field with-out major damange