A Tall Glass Of Perspective(Big Picture)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-08 01:57pm

Just found this picture again. For anyone who thinks the E-D or a Borg Cube could take the DS-II(E-D size figure wrong). Scroll right.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-08 01:59pm

I prefier the nice old 17th Imperal Fleet pic I have not seen in awhile showed the Worf 359 fleet VS the 17th Imp fleet(from a comic I belive but it was 10 ISDs, one SSD and 12 Vic's

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 02:07pm

[sarcasm] Oh, but Nitram, even SW says that size matters not. Since the E-D is so much more powerful than the DS it could win, anyway. [end sarcasm]

That pretty much sums it up, Nitram.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-09-08 02:15pm

LOL

That picture is great. Geeze, if the DSII is that big just think how tiny the X-Wings are in comparison.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-08 02:26pm

And the fact that the fighters can traverse the surface of that thing in such a short time is proof of their accelerative capabilities.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-09-08 02:27pm

FEAR THE GIANT BLACK DOT![/code]

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-08 02:40pm

Picard: Judge us by our size, do you?

Death Star: Yes.

*Enterprise is turned into an expanding ball of atoms*

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-08 05:51pm

Evil Jerk wrote:Picard: Judge us by our size, do you?

Death Star: Yes.

*Enterprise is turned into an expanding ball of atoms*

Luke than destroyes the Death Star

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-09-08 06:20pm

The size of the DS simply shows how much mass must be blown away in order to get at the core. A ST ship may be fragile enough that superficial damage will cause its core to detonate, but SW ships need to have their power cores ruptured before destruction will ensue.

Unless a Trekkie wants to claim that a GCS can fly into the superstructure of the Death Star...

But then, I rarely use the DS in a debate, anyway. Usually, an ISD will suffice.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-08 06:24pm

Luke than destroyes the Death Star

Yeah.. damn the Force! It screws everything up!

Unless a Trekkie wants to claim that a GCS can fly into the superstructure of the Death Star...

They're more likely to claim that it'll engage it's phase cloak and ride right to the core, destroying it that way (no need to explain how stupid that is).

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-08 06:49pm

Not to mention ordering all stormtroopers along the path of the GCS to seal the bulkhead and drop nerve gas will put a stop to the Phase Cloak of Doom (TM) strategy.

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2002-09-08 07:14pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Not to mention ordering all stormtroopers along the path of the GCS to seal the bulkhead and drop nerve gas will put a stop to the Phase Cloak of Doom (TM) strategy.

Which is why the phase-cloaked Prometheus, crewed by holograms, would get sent instead.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-08 07:29pm

I thought holograms were confined to the holodeck and sickbay. Unless you think they're all equipped with the mobile emitter from the 29th century Federation. Even then, it's doubtful they'll make it past the ECM field.

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2002-09-08 07:48pm

The Prometheus (VOY "Message in a Bottle) had holoemitters everywhere on the ship (at least on the bridge). And the ECM field? Is that what the X-wings flew through? Why would a starship phased almost completely out of reality have trouble penetrating a field that X-wings had no problem with?

(This is still all tongue in cheek.)

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-08 08:12pm

Eframepilot wrote:The Prometheus (VOY "Message in a Bottle) had holoemitters everywhere on the ship (at least on the bridge).

Not that the Federation's ever tried crewing an entire ship with holograms.
I doubt they'd be that resourceful, until it's too late...

And the ECM field? Is that what the X-wings flew through? Why would a starship phased almost completely out of reality have trouble penetrating a field that X-wings had no problem with?

(This is still all tongue in cheek.)

One would imagine that such heavy electronic jamming could affect delecate instruments like hologram emitters.
Maybe that's why holograms are never used in the way you describe.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-09-08 08:22pm

What's the point of crewing a ship with holograms? You can just make it a robot controlled ship... Oversolving the problem again I see

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-08 09:05pm

Eframepilot wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Not to mention ordering all stormtroopers along the path of the GCS to seal the bulkhead and drop nerve gas will put a stop to the Phase Cloak of Doom (TM) strategy.
Which is why the phase-cloaked Prometheus, crewed by holograms, would get sent instead.

Pssst. It's called a tractor beam. They're gravity based in Star Wars.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-09-08 09:38pm

Holagram ships are better because it's Federation protocol to put worthless, energy-consuming steps into the simplest tasks.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-09-08 10:18pm

umm this is one point I do disagree with Mike about. Phased matter *cannot* interact with gas as normal. Consider what happens if he's right:

Ensign Ro walks through Captain Picard. Now the air in Picard's chest is trapped there. Ro's body then comes through passes directly through Picard's chest. Now if here body interacts with air as per normal then her chest will begin compressing the air in Picard's lungs. As the volume left between the back of Picard's lungs and Ro's chest get's smaller the pressure goes up massively. All told if phased people did interact with gases like normal Picard's lungs should burst from the pressure.

Anyhoo my best feddie long shot at the Death Star would be a cloaked guided missile. Take a cloak like from the DS9 minefeild, attach to a torpedo with a preprogrammed flight plan. Deploy to slowly travel into the superstructure and explode there (this is assuming the Endor fight scenario given by Wong).

A real long shot? Yes.

Better than nothing? Yes.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-08 10:25pm

tharkûn wrote:umm this is one point I do disagree with Mike about. Phased matter *cannot* interact with gas as normal. Consider what happens if he's right:

Ensign Ro walks through Captain Picard. Now the air in Picard's chest is trapped there. Ro's body then comes through passes directly through Picard's chest. Now if here body interacts with air as per normal then her chest will begin compressing the air in Picard's lungs. As the volume left between the back of Picard's lungs and Ro's chest get's smaller the pressure goes up massively. All told if phased people did interact with gases like normal Picard's lungs should burst from the pressure.

Let me get this straight: a tenth of a second of above-normal air pressure in the lungs will cause immediate chest-burst? You are aware that human beings can easily survive 1 bar overpressure, right? Think about scuba divers for a moment.

Anyhoo my best feddie long shot at the Death Star would be a cloaked guided missile. Take a cloak like from the DS9 minefeild, attach to a torpedo with a preprogrammed flight plan. Deploy to slowly travel into the superstructure and explode there (this is assuming the Endor fight scenario given by Wong).

This is assuming that the phasing rate is sufficient to pass through heavy-metal armour and not just light silicates. See "Pegasus", and that the missile is unaffected by spatial distortion fields and shields, and that they don't detect it.

A real long shot? Yes.
Better than nothing? Yes.

No, their best shot is to surrender. Only idiots take a million-to-one shot of survival rather than surrendering.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-08 10:28pm

No, their best shot is to surrender. Only idiots take a million-to-one shot of survival rather than surrendering.

Isn't that what the rebels did. anyway how would Star Trek even know about the weakness anyway

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-08 10:59pm

tharkûn wrote:Anyhoo my best feddie long shot at the Death Star would be a cloaked guided missile. Take a cloak like from the DS9 minefeild, attach to a torpedo with a preprogrammed flight plan. Deploy to slowly travel into the superstructure and explode there (this is assuming the Endor fight scenario given by Wong). .

And they would know the route to program in... how?

It's a constructions site. Even if they use long range sensors the day before, things are going to have changed during that time. New bulkheads will be up. Cranes will be in different places. Magcon fields will be activated.

Horrible plan.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-08 11:48pm

Actually, the ECM will mean that the missile will lose contact with the pilot and smash into something. About a day's worth of inconvenience for the construction workers.

Pilot: Sir, missile approaching Death Star.
Cap: Excellent. Continue as planned.
*missile hits ECM*
Pilot: Crap, I've lost contact with the missile.

Even if the missile doesn't lose contact, the pilot will still have to fly blind, on manual control, since the ECM in the DSII scrambled all the sensors on the X-wings and Falcon.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-09-09 02:12am

—wasthat the ship? Or do I just need to wipe my monitor screen with Windex?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-09-09 02:18am

Patrick Degan wrote:—wasthat the ship? Or do I just need to wipe my monitor screen with Windex?

Verily, that was the ship. 640 meters of... punity.

Amazing how some people think that it's actually capable of single-handedly destroying the Death Star. That's like saying a 3mm gnat can kill an elephant.

[EDIT] Well, the problem is that it's too big to fly into the superstructure (unlike the Falcon), and the DS2 doesn't have any convenient thermal exhaust ports...[/EDIT]

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