Gunguns vs Klingons

[Sarevok]

The droids on Naboo are replaced with Klingon warriors. Unlike the original scenario there is no droid control ship in orbit so the Gungans have to win on the ground. Who wins ?

I believe the Gunguns win. The gunguns have energy shields which will stop klingon disruptors. Klingons will get burned as they try enter the shield. The Gunguns stay behind the shield while Klingons can not enter it.
Eventualy to break the stalemate the Gunguns come out in the open and fight.

The Klingons shoot a few Gunguns with disruptors and Gunguns hit back with EMP balls. Eventualy Klingons drop their disruptors and engage the Gunguns with batleths. Since Gunguns are stronger then the Klingons they win.

[Lord of the Farce]

If you make the Klingon force having the same number as the Trade Fed has battle droids in that battle, then if nothing else they might win by just having so much more in numbers that they can drown the Gungans with bodies.

But anyhow, beside their theatre shields, the Gungans have:
-Handheld shields (which has been shown to reflect fire back quite effectively)
-Mounted soldiers (who's power lances doubt have more than just the sting setting used on Jar-Jar)
-Quite accurate artillery
-Dicipline

[Shroom Man 777]

Gungun theater shields make organic shit burn?

I never knew that.....

Gunguns will win, the Klingons don't have tanks... they're toast....

Do Gunguns have aircraft? Maybe we can pit them against BOPs?

[YT300000]

Gungans take it.

Remember, the Klingons throw their disrupters away at the first opportunity, and resort to unwieldy bladed weapons.

[The Silence and I]

What are we talking about here? The entire Grand Army verses a similar group of Klingons? Or more of a scirmish? Asuuming it was more of a scirmish I went with the Klingons, as they are more effective the fewer of them there are, and the opposite is true of the Gungan battle tactics as seen on screen. They use a large line of offense/defense close behind a shield. Once the Klingons are through the shield, they don't have far to charge, and once past the line they will wreak havoc, letting slip the knives of war! (hehe, I couldn't resist). However the Gungan disipline will rule in a larger scale battle.

[Vympel]

It's the Naboo fight.

[Typhonis 1]

hmmm Klingons drop disruptors ,charge gungans,and remeber why cavalry was so useful in acinet time Klingon shiskabob anyone?

[Howedar]

Since Gunguns are stronger then the Klingons they win.

Erm, where is this from?

[Micheal Ryans, Beta pilot]

The Gungans take it, as the Klingons are going to get grilled trying to walk through the shield (ref. SWEP2ICS).

[Admiral Johnason]

As dumb as the Gungans are, the Klingons are still screwed. Even poor Jar Jar could take on Worf.

[Drach]

As dumb as the Gungans are, the Klingons are still screwed. Even poor Jar Jar could take on Worf.

Sorry, Jar Jar gets broken like a twig vs Worf. Jar Jar is a retard in Ep 1, pure and simple. He is totally inept at anything related to combat and usually cowers instead of fighting.

Worf on the other hand is a tried and true combat veteran, any claims that jar jar has so much as the slightest chance, even in jest, is just plain outlandish in its Star Wars Fanboy-ism

[Ender]

As dumb as the Gungans are, the Klingons are still screwed. Even poor Jar Jar could take on Worf.

Jar Jar, and most Gungans hand to hand one on one would loose to a Klingon. But in massed battle tactics like the scenario here the Gungan's behavior (that of an actual fucking army instead of asylum escapees) means they will take it.

[Lord of the Farce]

Sorry, Jar Jar gets broken like a twig vs Worf. Jar Jar is a retard in Ep 1, pure and simple. He is totally inept at anything related to combat and usually cowers instead of fighting.

Worf on the other hand is a tried and true combat veteran, any claims that jar jar has so much as the slightest chance, even in jest, is just plain outlandish in its Star Wars Fanboy-ism

Don't be too sure. Jar Jar, as much as we (ie. typical SW fans) hate the damned moronic Gungan, does have an incredibly good offensive character shield. After all, this is the fool who managed to gun down a number of battle droids (maybe even a couple of Droidekas, IIRC) by "accident", and managed to disable a number of repulsortanks the same way...

[Drach]

Sorry, Jar Jar gets broken like a twig vs Worf. Jar Jar is a retard in Ep 1, pure and simple. He is totally inept at anything related to combat and usually cowers instead of fighting.

Worf on the other hand is a tried and true combat veteran, any claims that jar jar has so much as the slightest chance, even in jest, is just plain outlandish in its Star Wars Fanboy-ism

Don't be too sure. Jar Jar, as much as we (ie. typical SW fans) hate the damned moronic Gungan, does have an incredibly good offensive character shield. After all, this is the fool who managed to gun down a number of battle droids (maybe even a couple of Droidekas, IIRC) by "accident", and managed to disable a number of repulsortanks the same way...

Mabey, but can't we at least hope, and pray for a whole segment of the SW vs ST movie someone proposed that just involves Worf monkey stomping him? I'd pay to see the movie, JUST for that scene

[Equinox2003]

The Klingons win. What good are the slings the Gungans use to
throw those projectiles? The Klingons would simply move away
when they see it coming. Once the Gungans run out of them,
Klingon disruptors would take care of them.
Mounted Gungan troops, as I don't recall
them having the hand held shields would be easy targets for the
Klingon knifes, the kind used on David Marcus in TSFS, and seen
many times since.
This leaves the Gungans with the hand held shields. The amount of
Klingon disruptors would drain the shields, until they are useless.
Even if this also drained Klingon disruptors in the process, they
could use bat'leths and finish off the Gungans.

[Vympel]

The Klingons win. What good are the slings the Gungans use to throw those projectiles? The Klingons would simply move away when they see it coming.

So, if they had arrows, would the Klingons simply 'move away' when they see them coming? Don't be stupid. Slings have been part of warfare here on Earth as well.

Once the Gungans run out of them,
Klingon disruptors would take care of them.

Ignoring their shield wall, of course, which is perfect for melee fighting Klingon morons.

Mounted Gungan troops, as I don't recall
them having the hand held shields would be easy targets for the
Klingon knifes, the kind used on David Marcus in TSFS, and seen
many times since.

That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Cavalry are vulnerable to guys on foot with knives now? What are you smoking? You'd be much better off saying they'd get shot.

This leaves the Gungans with the hand held shields. The amount of
Klingon disruptors would drain the shields, until they are useless.
Even if this also drained Klingon disruptors in the process, they
could use bat'leths and finish off the Gungans.

Ignoring of course that the entire time they're being pelted with gungan weapons.

[Equinox2003]

Who said anything about arrows? I'm talking about those blue balls
the Gungans throw around. So the Klingons are just going to sit there
and think, "Golly, why is that Gungan spinning around in circles...
oh look....that blue thing is headed toward me..kind of pretty aint it?
I think not. No, when they see it coming...they will move.

Yes i ignored the shield wall. One of the posts said that to break the
stalemate, the Gungans would come out from behind it. I was talking
about after that happened.

I may be better off saying it is more likely they got shot, but I was
thinking the Klingons would be using the disruptors to drain the
Gungan sheilds. Hence, when you see a Gungan riding that animal,
and he has no sheild, and you are trying to save your disruptor, yeah
throw a knife at him.

Pelted with what?

[Lord of the Farce]

Who said anything about arrows? I'm talking about those blue balls the Gungans throw around. So the Klingons are just going to sit there and think, "Golly, why is that Gungan spinning around in circles... oh look....that blue thing is headed toward me..kind of pretty aint it? I think not. No, when they see it coming...they will move.

Yes, of course they will try to move... Right into each other and the flight path of more blue orbs. And while they are trying to sort themselves out in the chaos, the Gungan's coordination and dicipline will have more of those blue orbs flying at the Klingons. And quite obviously, you have no idea of the actual effectiveness of sling weapons in skilled hands.

Yes i ignored the shield wall. One of the posts said that to break the stalemate, the Gungans would come out from behind it. I was talking about after that happened.

*Shrug*.

I may be better off saying it is more likely they got shot, but I was thinking the Klingons would be using the disruptors to drain the Gungan sheilds. Hence, when you see a Gungan riding that animal, and he has no sheild, and you are trying to save your disruptor, yeah throw a knife at him.

Actually, the Klingons are more likely to find themselves being cut down by the beams of their disruptor being reflected back at them than anything else. Also, two things: 1 Care to point out where the historical precident for throwing-blade weapons being effective against a calvary charge (especially when they have to contend with enemy fire at the same time) being an effective tactic is? 2 Care to provide evidence of typical Klingons being proficient with throwing blades?

Also, if necessary, the Gungans can always retreat to behind the cover of their theatre shields.

Pelted with what?

Thrown weapons and catapult artillery.

[Equinox2003]

Good point, Not every Klingon would be able to get clear of the
Gungan weapon.

Coordination?
There were Gungans falling off those animal things from the very start
of the battle. One fell for no discernable reason at all! (TPM DVD Scene
38)
And I trust I don't actually have to remind anybody of
how clumsy Jar-Jar was.

Do I know much about sling weaponry? No, I live in the 21st century,
seems I missed out on the Sling era.

True, Gungan shields could send Klingon disruptor beams right back
at the shooter, and TPM did show a case where a Gungan did send the
blast back at the shooter. This destroyed the battle droid. However this
does not happen every time a shield is hit.
Scene 38 of The Phantom Menace DVD shows a line of battle droids
coming through the shield, and Gungans blocking with hand held
shields. However not every blast goes back toward the shooter. In the
overhead shot, not a single front row droid falls from his blast being
reflected back to him.
Therefore, I see no reason to think that Gungan hand shields would
reflect back every Klingon shot.
Point out a historical reference of knifes being an effective attack on
cavalry?
Point out when Klingons were shown to be masters of a thrown
knife?
Reasonable requests, but I'm not a history professor And as it turns
out, the Klingons won't even have to throw knives at the Gungan cavalry.
All they have to do is shoot at the feet, and those things will topple over
as is shown in TPM (Scene 39) So much for the Gungan cavalry saving
the day.
This would leave the shield wall as the only way out for the Gungans
if Klingon disruptors fail to drain the hand shields.
Can I prove disruptors can in fact drain enough shields to leave the
Gungans vulerable to disruptor shots and batleths?
No, but I'm sure somebody has the calculations to prove if this is
possible or not. I don't have any of the TM's.
But this is what I think the Klingons would have to do to win.

[Vympel]

Good point, Not every Klingon would be able to get clear of the Gungan weapon.

Being pelted with hordes of destructive blue balls, the majority would not be able to get clear. 'Dodging' fire is not an effective combat tactic when you're on foot.

Coordination?
There were Gungans falling off those animal things from the very start
of the battle. One fell for no discernable reason at all! (TPM DVD Scene
38) And I trust I don't actually have to remind anybody of
how clumsy Jar-Jar was.

So you have one Gungan being thrown, and Jar-Jar being an idiot, and this refutes them standing up to a combined arms force of tanks, infantry and droidekas for how long?

Do I know much about sling weaponry? No, I live in the 21st century, seems I missed out on the Sling era.

Your ignorance of their effectiveness against foot mobile infantry who have a penchant for hand to hand fighing and a distinct disadvantage in both protection (shields) and fire support (catapults) mobility (cavalry) is not an excuse.

True, Gungan shields could send Klingon disruptor beams right back at the shooter, and TPM did show a case where a Gungan did send the blast back at the shooter. This destroyed the battle droid. However this does not happen every time a shield is hit.

Regardless, it already compounds the Klingons disadvantage.

Point out a historical reference of knifes being an effective attack on
cavalry? Point out when Klingons were shown to be masters of a thrown
knife? Reasonable requests, but I'm not a history professor And as it turns
out, the Klingons won't even have to throw knives at the Gungan cavalry.

Good, you have conceded the point about the knives. The Gungans won't charge a fresh Klingon line before the battle is even joined. When the battle gets mixed up, that's when the Gungan marauding units will be most effective.

All they have to do is shoot at the feet, and those things will topple over as is shown in TPM (Scene 39) So much for the Gungan cavalry saving the day.

I think the Klingons are in need of saving.

This would leave the shield wall as the only way out for the Gungans
if Klingon disruptors fail to drain the hand shields.
Can I prove disruptors can in fact drain enough shields to leave the
Gungans vulerable to disruptor shots and batleths?
No, but I'm sure somebody has the calculations to prove if this is
possible or not. I don't have any of the TM's.
But this is what I think the Klingons would have to do to win.

The entire time they're shooting at the shield wall they're getting killed en masse by the slings and the catapults. They lose.

[Equinox2003]

Topic conceeded to Vympel.

[The Silence and I]

Well, If this is the Grand Army we're talking about, then the Klingons lose. Hand to hand they can take on any Gungan (Reference, several Gungans grappling with Battle Droids and showing little strength advantage, these droids are weak, and so are Gungans, while Klingons are not) but they lack organization enough to effectively take on that many organized Gungans. Period.

[YT300000]

Don't forget, Gungans have energy spears too. Very useful for throwing accurately, and in close quarters combat.

[Howedar]

Those blue orbs always seemed more like small EMP weapons to me, not an actual destructive charge.

[NecronLord]

Those blue orbs always seemed more like small EMP weapons to me, not an actual destructive charge.

Yet they punched a big ass smoking blackend hole in the armour of a tank.