Gorn vs Wookie

[NecronLord]

A normal Gorn:



{Remember these guys?}

Vs

A normal Wookie

Unarmed Combat, no weapons available. Who pulls whose arms out of their sockets?

[YT300000]

Depends. How sharp are the Gorn's claws again?

[Peregrin Toker]

I didn't see the episode with the Gorn. Can they rip human arms as easily as Wookiees?

[NecronLord]

Not that we've seen they only fought Kirk, but they can survive a big ass rock being dropped from hundreds of feet. And pick up a 750 cm rock and throw it uphill.

[Admiral Johnason]

I'm goinh to have to go with the Wookie. Gorn are only 2-3 times stronger than a human while Wookies have much greater strength. Gorn also seem slugish while Wookies seem to be at least mildly agile. Also, Wookies have longer claws and are larger by comparison. I'm not sure about actual intelligence, but I'm pretty sure that they are on the same playing field.

[NecronLord]

Gorn are only 2-3 times stronger than a human while Wookies have much greater strength.

Err. A gorn was able to throw a big ass rock uphill about 15 - 20 feet. That's more than 2-3 times stronger than a human, the only reason he didn't crush Kirk was character shields.

[Admiral Johnason]

Gorn are only 2-3 times stronger than a human while Wookies have much greater strength.

Err. A gorn was able to throw a big ass rock uphill about 15 - 20 feet. That's more than 2-3 times stronger than a human, the only reason he didn't crush Kirk was character shields.

Then he's stronger than I remembered, buit they did put a strength cap on him. I can't remember how strong he was, but he was defintly weaker than a Wookie.

[NecronLord]

You sure you aren't getting this from a ST book?

Just how strong are wookies in your poinion then? Personally I thought they were only about 2-3 times stronger than a normal human (going from chewie hitting stormies in ESB)

[Admiral Johnason]

You sure you aren't getting this from a ST book?

Just how strong are wookies in your poinion then? Personally I thought they were only about 2-3 times stronger than a normal human (going from chewie hitting stormies in ESB)

Wookies could rip a Tie Ln apart with their bear hand if they were angry enough. Han once said that he could go through 11 grounnded Ties before he tired.

And the Gron's strength I believe was said in the episode, but I haven't seen it in about a year, so my memory of it is a little fadded.

[NecronLord]

Wookies could rip a Tie Ln apart with their bear hand if they were angry enough. Han once said that he could go through 11 grounnded Ties before he tired.

Where's this from.

And the Gron's strength I believe was said in the episode, but I haven't seen it in about a year, so my memory of it is a little fadded.

I saw it today (And thought this up as a result), and they didn't mention any such thing.

[Admiral Johnason]

Wookies could rip a Tie Ln apart with their bear hand if they were angry enough. Han once said that he could go through 11 grounnded Ties before he tired.

Where's this from.

And the Gron's strength I believe was said in the episode, but I haven't seen it in about a year, so my memory of it is a little fadded.

I saw it today (And thought this up as a result), and they didn't mention any such thing.

I can't remember if it was the Corellain trilogy or THTTE trilogy that listed how strong Chewie was.

And I am sorry about being wrong about the Gorn. What would you say his strength is from watching the episode NL?

[NecronLord]

And I am sorry about being wrong about the Gorn. What would you say his strength is from watching the episode NL?

Well they lift and carry smaller rocks in the worlds strongest man competition. They're about four times stronger than avrage, and do it with great difficulty, let alone throw it, so I'd say maybe six or seven?

[Drooling Iguana]

Well, they're both strong, but judging by the episode The Arena, the Gorn is stronger. I haven't read any EU, so I'm not sure exactly how strong Wookies are, but I haven't seen anying in the movies that would compare to what the Gorn was capable of in that episode. They can also take quite a beating, although they're not bulletproof and they're pretty slow. I'd say that, in a straight up, hand-to-hand brawl, the Gorn might have the advantage. If any type of weapons are involved, though, the Gorn doesn't stand a chance.

[Admiral Johnason]

Well, they're both strong, but judging by the episode The Arena, the Gorn is stronger. I haven't read any EU, so I'm not sure exactly how strong Wookies are, but I haven't seen anying in the movies that would compare to what the Gorn was capable of in that episode. They can also take quite a beating, although they're not bulletproof and they're pretty slow. I'd say that, in a straight up, hand-to-hand brawl, the Gorn might have the advantage. If any type of weapons are involved, though, the Gorn doesn't stand a chance.

Wookies have 5 strong 6 inch claws for each hand and they can rip Ties apart with their bear hands.

[NecronLord]

Wookies have 5 strong 6 inch claws for each hand and they can rip Ties apart with their bear hands.

*Sniff Sniff*

Was this by KJA?

Seriously, where were they in ANH? Or ESB when chewie's breaking out and attacking imperials?

[YT300000]

Wookies never use their claws in combat. It is dishonourable.

[Admiral Johnason]

Wookies have 5 strong 6 inch claws for each hand and they can rip Ties apart with their bear hands.

*Sniff Sniff*

Was this by KJA?

Seriously, where were they in ANH? Or ESB when chewie's breaking out and attacking imperials?

The claws are from Heir, when the Wookies are climbing the trees and trying to protect Leia.

[NecronLord]

The claws are from Heir, when the Wookies are climbing the trees and trying to protect Leia.

Fair enough. There's a difference between a claw used for climbing and one used for combat. Sloths have claws, but they don't used them to fend off attackers.

[seanrobertson]

The claws are from Heir, when the Wookies are climbing the trees and trying to protect Leia.

Fair enough. There's a difference between a claw used for climbing and one used for combat. Sloths have claws, but they don't used them to fend off attackers.

Let me join in on all of this

There's no doubt Wookies are BEASTS. In bodybuilding that is a great compliment, along with "freak" and "deisel" (though I still don't know what the latter REALLY means, understanding it only through connotation).

Now, when Chewie was swinging around on Kashykk (sp?), wasn't Leia holding onto him? Are there any descriptions of him pulling himself up with a single arm, with his body "free-floating" so to speak? (I ask for a specific reason.)

Additionally, how much do you think Chewie weighs? I don't remember exactly how tall he was, but it'd be simple enough to come up with a lower-limit.

Finally, is gravity on Kashykk roughly equivalent to Earth's? Since I don't know how well Leia functioned there, this might not be a given. However, (Wookies needn't have great strength as a result of a higher gravity world. Some monkeys mass less than humans and are far stronger than even our best powerlifters, Olympic lifters, etc.)

As far as the Gorn goes, I guess you meant a 75 cm wide rock, not 750, which would be 24' wide

That sounds about right, IIR the episode correctly.

Anyway, such a rock would have a volume of 0.22 cubic meters. 1 cubic meter of Si is 2330 kg, so the rock the Gorn lifted would be about 512.6 kg.

That's assuming the rock was a sphere. Arbitrarily, just for time's sake, you might halve that, since I got ahead of myself; i.e., the rock wasn't perfectly round if I'm remembering "Arena" at all correctly.

That's still ~250 kilos.--FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY lbs. The Gorn threw this thing UPHILL about 15 feet, you say? Wow. To throw "only" 200 lbs. in such a manner is staggering.

The rock wouldn't be pure silicon, the assumption of the thing's volume is off, yes...but a .75 meter wide rock is going to be very, VERY heavy.

With a more realistic assessment of its shape, volume, and likely density (if granite, Si's not far off), we might be able to generate something firm. Regardless, even with the aforementioned crude guess, it's crazy strong.

And NecronLord is correct. The Gorn's strength is never quantified in the episode. You might be thinking of Khan or Spock's "strength ratios," both of which I'm pretty sure were said onscreen. (I know Khan said he was "five times [Kirk's] strength.")

[seanrobertson]

And I am sorry about being wrong about the Gorn. What would you say his strength is from watching the episode NL?

Well they lift and carry smaller rocks in the worlds strongest man competition. They're about four times stronger than avrage, and do it with great difficulty, let alone throw it, so I'd say maybe six or seven?

Hmm.

I'm not sure. It's hard to measure even a man's strength. Going by a single lift is rather misleading, but I suppose we could tally up multiple lifts and go from there.

The trouble is, I have to really guess at what the average joe can do. I've trained a lot of beginners, but my recollection of an average "starting point" is hazy.

Nonetheless, I'd assume the average man can bench press ~140 lbs. He can probably do a parallel squat with about the same, and maybe deadlift 150-200 lbs.

He would therefore total an average of about 450 lbs. If he had to perform the lifts as powerlifters do (with a pause at the chest on bench presses, for example), the average total would be quite a bit less...400 lbs., maybe 410-420.

Top powerlifters today strive for a 2,500 lbs. total in the three powerlifts. So they're very close to 6x the strength of average men.

That sounds about right to me.

The WSM guys tend to be top-ranking powerlifters and the like, so they, too, should be well over 5 times stronger than your average, healthy adult male. These guys can struggle to lift 300 lbs. rocks to chest level in some events. They couldn't throw them PERIOD.

The Gorn must be well over twice their strength, probably stronger yet. I would expect the rock-throwing incident points to something obscene, well over 10x avg. Chewie might be able to swing that, but we need more specifics where his feats are concerned. The "break the guy's neck with the casual backhand slap" is hard for me to nail down.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Dispite the Admiral's insane babblelings, I'm going with the Gorn. They are clearly stronger.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Chewbacca lifted Egome Faas over his head, and he was a Houkstanding almost 3 meters tall and likely weighing well more than 500 lbs.

Here's a link from West-End games: http://www.rancorpit.com/houk.shtml

He also cracked the guy's spine.

As for claws, wookiee claws are at most 3-4 cm, not 6 inches. They're retractable and come out of the fingertips, so 6 inches would prevent their fingers from bending. Kashyyyk according to various sources has "Standard" gravity. It can't be that high, otherwise wookiees would be short.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

EU says that Wookie climbing claws are 5-6 inches long. It doesn't matter if you think that's unreasonable: that is simply how long they are.

But it doesn't matter anyway, since Wookies do not use their claws in combat under any circumstances whatsoever. To do so would automatically dishonour them, and other Wookies would hunt them down and kill them.

[YT300000]

Maybe the claws can temporarily be hardened. So that when retracted, the fingers can bend. Or the claws come out of the hand, not the fingers.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

HTTE says that they come out of the fingers, and Ralrracheen demonstrates for Leia by extending and retracting them.