Okay, okay! Cease fire!

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

I'm sorry, okay? I'm sorry I posted my first argument about the E-E without understanding completely what your focus was! Geez, calm down!

I bow before your greater wisdom, and no that's not sarcasm, alright? Oi vey...

[Evil Jerk]

You may think it's harsh, but people here ask that you should think about your arguments before posting them, so that you don't end up pointing out silly things that have been disproven a million times.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Alright, fine. I realize this now, okay? I let my pride blind me to what was the whole idea of having this forum. Sorry.

[Mr Bean]

Reposted as you need to read it
ST weaponry is so underpowered as to be rediculious but here is some figures for you

Photon Torps kick in at between 50-70 Mega-tons(They vary in power from series to series) while Q-Torps clock in at 128-160 Mega-tons, Unlike Q Torps, Photon torps are omni-directional which means they acutal transfer only half of thier power to the target

The E-D shields has been meansured inbetween 290-610 Mega-tons so to be fair we will say 700 Mega-tons(Cubes are 2.2 Giga-tons BTW)

Now then an ISD mounts LTLs, MTLs, and HTLs

Ltls are Six Mega-tons on a twenty year old Transport(The Acclimator) so we will asume that a ship of war and an ISD have the same things to be fair to ST
Now then the Transport does not carry any mediums so we will leave them out, HTLs on the Transport are 200 Giga-tons and lets agian be as fair as possible to ST

200 Giga-tons weaponry VS a less than 1 Giga-ton shield riiight?

Its gets worse

According to Cannon sources ISDs can take 5 1/2 Full broad-sides with all of another ISD's weaponry on that side before shields collapse

Now then lets agian dumb it down further and say only the HTLs shot and only 30 of them

Ok? 5X30=150 Indivudal Shots riight? Ok times 200 Giga-tons aaaaaand

30,000 Gigatons, The amount of damage a ISD can take before its shields collapse absoutle worse case senariro
Assuming only using Q-Torps at 160 Mega-tons
30,000,000(the extra 000 are for conversion into Mega-tons) = 187,500 Quantum Torps to take down an ISD's shields ok
Assuming Q-Torps firing spreads of 6(Best Demonstrated) every 2 seconds or 3 each seconds thats
187,500/3=62,500 seconds or /60 1041 mintues or /60= 17.36 Hours for the E-D to take down the ISDs shields with Q torps assuming they have an infinte amount.....


Now you understand how hopeless an E-D ISD fight is?

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

In that case, I seem to have found the wrong forum. Oops. I'll check "Sanity" next door...

[Evil Jerk]

In that case, I seem to have found the wrong forum. Oops. I'll check "Sanity" next door...

Well, that's how long your apology lasted.


There's the exit, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[NecronLord]

Go and read the site, then come back, your welcome here, just don't debate things that have been done to death. It has been proven numerous times that the Ent-D would get a new hole torn by an ISD.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

It wasn't an apology. It was a statement. And so is this:

Fuck you too.

[Evil Jerk]

It wasn't an apology. It was a statement. And so is this:

Fuck you too.

Oh dear me, did I forget about the sign that said "DON'T FEED THE TROLL" again?
I am so absent minded at times.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

I apologize for letting loose the profanity. I thought this was an ST vs SW forum, in that both sides could debate openly. I didn't realize it had become a Trek-bashing area. "Thou shalt not question thy forum founders," or something like that.

[Evil Jerk]

I apologize for letting loose the profanity. I thought this was an ST vs SW forum, in that both sides could debate openly. I didn't realize it had become a Trek-bashing area. "Thou shalt not question thy forum founders," or something like that.

We bashed you because you used tired disproven arguments and didn't care to read the site.
Plus, you ignored the rebuttals.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

I purposely said my topic was something pretty damn common! "Everyone faces this debate...?" Great, now I've aroused the ire of the basher gods. And I thought I caught enough flak over my Relena Peacecraft supporting fics...

[greenmm]

it's not a Trek-bashing forum.

It's a forum where any potential debator had better plan on having triple-checked his math, triple-checked his canon, triple-checked his screenshots... and still have someone else proofread it before attempting to debate a position that has been investigated, debated, weighed, measured, had multiple trenches dug around it, and a big thick ferroconcrete wall thrown up around it.

And no, I'm not a Warsie or a Trekki. If anything, I'm a Scifer, as I'm a fan of multiple genres of sci-fi.

[Stravo]

In that case, I seem to have found the wrong forum. Oops. I'll check "Sanity" next door...

Yeah, run away. It's not called sanity its called taking some time to read about the board you're posting on. You have dredged up the SAME FUCKING arguments that have been INCINERATED over and over and you expect us to feel sorry for the newbie???

Before you blindly post your SHIT kindly take some time to prepare to defend your argument....a few posts and you're running away like a little bitch...WHY WASTE OUR TIME???

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Not a Trek bashing site, eh fellow newbie? Sure fooled me. But hey, then I'm just a stupid, ignorant shit-spreading newbie, right? So stuff's been debated constantly over and over and refuted. Big deal, I'm sticking with my beliefs, though at least I now know what chew toys to bring to keep the dogs down...

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Is this running away? Oh my, I'm so[i/] sorry I spoiled your daily afternoon of strutting about, secure in the fact that you've removed any meaningful opposition to your forum. Thanks a bunch, Stalin.

[Evil Jerk]

Not a Trek bashing site, eh fellow newbie? Sure fooled me. But hey, then I'm just a stupid, ignorant shit-spreading newbie, right? So stuff's been debated constantly over and over and refuted.

This forum is here for intelligent debate (in theory at least) not tired arguments, I've seen many a Trek fan make a good debate for their side and while some may disagree, nobody flames them.
The accusation of oppression is the tool of a bad debater, you know.

Big deal, I'm sticking with my beliefs, though at least I now know what chew toys to bring to keep the dogs down...

Your beliefs mean nothing in front of hard evidence, if it was all based on beliefs then I believe the Empire has a massive galaxy bomb it can drop in the milky way to destroy everything in a millisecond, discussion over.

[Stravo]

Is this running away? Oh my, I'm so[i/] sorry I spoiled your daily afternoon of strutting about, secure in the fact that you've removed any meaningful opposition to your forum. Thanks a bunch, Stalin.

Good then stay and we shall taunt you a second time.

[NecronLord]

March straight in

deliver bullshit

march out


Lord Wong, please VI this fool at your convinence

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Very well, Frenchie. Nice if I had a Star Destroyer for real, huh? Oh wait, I forgot, you could just get a Sovereign and blast it into a million peices. Or hey, maybe it's the other way around in reverse. Either way, I took a wrong turn, so off I go. Hope you see my finger in the rear veiw mirror...

[NecronLord]

Very well, Frenchie. Nice if I had a Star Destroyer for real, huh? Oh wait, I forgot, you could just get a Sovereign and blast it into a million peices.

Yes you could,


If you are talking about a soverign class super star destroyer

[Sea Skimmer]

Not a Trek bashing site, eh fellow newbie? Sure fooled me. But hey, then I'm just a stupid, ignorant shit-spreading newbie, right? So stuff's been debated constantly over and over and refuted. Big deal, I'm sticking with my beliefs, though at least I now know what chew toys to bring to keep the dogs down...

It's not bashing when you can prove your point with evidence. What has been posted can be, you can attempt present a new fact based argument, which proves you are in fact correct, or you can bitch and moan and not do anything constructive.

You've chosen option 2, so fuck you Troll

[SirNitram]

Very well, Frenchie. Nice if I had a Star Destroyer for real, huh? Oh wait, I forgot, you could just get a Sovereign and blast it into a million peices. Or hey, maybe it's the other way around in reverse. Either way, I took a wrong turn, so off I go. Hope you see my finger in the rear veiw mirror...

*snicker* Yea, Sovereigns whose entire complement are outgunned by a chemical reaction. An ISD is a flying city which levels planets.

Fuck off, newbie. You must be this smart(Points to a baboon) to post in this forum, you do not meet the requirements for positive IQ points.

[Darth Wong]

Not a Trek bashing site, eh fellow newbie? Sure fooled me. But hey, then I'm just a stupid, ignorant shit-spreading newbie, right?

Yes. And instead of defending your arguments or admitting error, you simply lash out at everyone for being so mean. This indicates your pathetic level of intelligence; an argument's validity has nothing to do with how nicely it's put.

So stuff's been debated constantly over and over and refuted. Big deal, I'm sticking with my beliefs, though at least I now know what chew toys to bring to keep the dogs down...

Of course you're sticking with your beliefs. That's because you're too fucking irrational to think clearly. Your methods indicate a total lack of sentient thought; you start from theory and then work backward to predicted observation instead of starting from observation and then working forward to theory. You make arguments without bothering to see if anyone's refuted them before. And when the pathetic weakness of your position is laid bare, you get upset and insult everyone.

A childlike, irrational, hopeless response. You'll probably run back to section31.com or whatever shithole you crawled out of and say something like "I tried to make some reasonable points, but they were only interested in insulting me because they're a pack of rabid Warsie dogs", as if no one here has ever made a logical point to refute your stupid-ass claims.

See the forum header: we don't like stupid people.

[NecronLord]

Very well, Frenchie. Nice if I had a Star Destroyer for real, huh? Oh wait, I forgot, you could just get a Sovereign and blast it into a million peices. Or hey, maybe it's the other way around in reverse. Either way, I took a wrong turn, so off I go. Hope you see my finger in the rear veiw mirror...

*snicker* Yea, Sovereigns whose entire complement are outgunned by a chemical reaction. An ISD is a flying city which levels planets.

Fuck off, newbie. You must be this smart(Points to a baboon) to post in this forum, you do not meet the requirements for positive IQ points.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, he may be talking about a SSSD, nahhh