Star Destroyers -v- Soverign Class Ships

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-29 08:49am

Ok here is my debate in a stand up fight would a Soverign Class ship actually be able to beat a mighty Star Destroyer one on one. The answer is a huge NO. For a start the amount of guns on a Imp Star would overwhelm a Soverign, secondly Federation weapons are natoriously weak against cultures they haven't completely analysed, thirdly 6 squadrons of various Tie Fighters would be more than any Federation ship could handle. All in all a Imp Star would completely dominate any Federation Ship with the exception of the Defiant Class ships

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-09-29 08:51am

A good start, but I think a certain desert warrior needs to be introduced to the almighty ICS.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » 2002-09-29 08:59am

Yes. a one on one battle between a SCS and an ISD with it's fighters will end up with about 35% of the fighters gone, the SCS dead and the ISD with medium damage.

But a 2 SCS on the ISD (and fighters) will end with the ISD dead and one of the SCSs with major damage with a higher risk of death by warp core. (time to go kick the damn core).

Toss out the fighters and the ISD vs SCS has a better chance of a tie

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-29 09:00am

Akira however still entertains some vauge however...
Allow me to shead the wholy light of Scalling with ICS plus cannoical Evidance of the ISD

The E-D assuming infintie Quantum torps(128 Megatons each)
27,596,250,000/128=215,595,703 torps and at 4 every two seconds(Divide by 2 get 2 a second)

215,595,703=107,797,851seconds/60=1796630 minutes/60=29942 hours/24=1247 days/7=178 weeks/52=3.47 YEARS
Taken from the Latest and Most Accurate Mid Range calcuations

MINIUM Low End Pegs ISD shielding at 30TTs, Mid Range(Most likley) Pegs it at 27 Petatons and High End ranges ISD shielding to just under 700 Petatons

Since traditonaly SW always uses lowest end possible VS ST highest End possible and frankly though it Almost makes for a fight that lasts longer than two seconds, frankly there are one to many trolls who try and BS even more to attempt to make ST more Powerful than SW bottom of the barrel figures...

So in classic form I've mearly decided instead of constantly beating SW with the nerfing stick to revert to the normal LIKLEY figures and stop with the minium hand holding...

There you go for today

*Edit added in for Akira's Benfit
100 Defanits pumping out 8 per 2 second Q-Torps agian or 4,000 Torps every second

215,595,703/4000=53,898 seconds/60=898minutes/60=14.97 Hours of Direct Hammering to take down a section of ISD shields by 100 Defanits

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-29 09:42am

Akira wrote:Yes. a one on one battle between a SCS and an ISD with it's fighters will end up with about 35% of the fighters gone, the SCS dead and the ISD with medium damage.

But a 2 SCS on the ISD (and fighters) will end with the ISD dead and one of the SCSs with major damage with a higher risk of death by warp core. (time to go kick the damn core).

Toss out the fighters and the ISD vs SCS has a better chance of a tie

ROFLMAO!!!! Thanks Akira you're always good for a laugh and since all the funny trolls like Loser099 and DumbShit are gone it's always nice to hear something from you.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-09-29 10:03am

I concur Cpt_Frank; good to know some people can still spout forth absolute nonsense.

2 SCS' killing an ISD indeed ...

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-29 10:10am

Muad'Dib wrote:Ok here is my debate in a stand up fight would a Soverign Class ship actually be able to beat a mighty Star Destroyer one on one. The answer is a huge NO. For a start the amount of guns on a Imp Star would overwhelm a Soverign, secondly Federation weapons are natoriously weak against cultures they haven't completely analysed, thirdly 6 squadrons of various Tie Fighters would be more than any Federation ship could handle. All in all a Imp Star would completely dominate any Federation Ship with the exception of the Defiant Class ships

Correction, a ISD could kick any Fed ship.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-29 10:12am

Aye its still fun to mess with Akira

*Whats next, The E-D VS the Culture GCV?

and the E-D wins?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-29 10:15am

You know, even if a Sovereign can take 1000 quantum torpedoes (or the yield of EIGHT GCS torpedo loads) and even if we use the TM's 128 megaton figure, it still can't take a single 200 gigaton TL or 200 000 megatons.

And even if a Sovereign has 1000 torpedoes at 128 megatons, it'll take 125 Sovereigns firing their torpedoes dry to penetrate the 16 teraton shields of a 20 YEAR OLD TRANSPORT.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-29 11:45am

Akira wrote:Yes. a one on one battle between a SCS and an ISD with it's fighters will end up with about 35% of the fighters gone, the SCS dead and the ISD with medium damage.

But a 2 SCS on the ISD (and fighters) will end with the ISD dead and one of the SCSs with major damage with a higher risk of death by warp core. (time to go kick the damn core).

Toss out the fighters and the ISD vs SCS has a better chance of a tie

One hit and the SCS is no much floating debris. With 200+ gigatons of sudden death at it's command the ISD could kill them at their leisure. Hell, the TIEs would constitute a deadly threat to the SCS all on thier own.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-09-29 12:50pm

I can see the TIE commander now

"What do you mean ANOTHER Soveriegn run...man...when were the glory days of shooting something that could hit you?"

I mean seriously I say a Squadron of Bombers and Defenders poses an incredible threat to say a Fed ship...let alone the ISD.

The captain on that ship would be busting a gut dying before giving the order to fire.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-09-29 12:58pm

An X-Wing with a full complement of Proton torps could take down 1 or 2 GCSs.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-29 03:07pm

Mr Bean wrote:Aye its still fun to mess with Akira

*Whats next, The E-D VS the Culture GCV? and the E-D wins?

It would as well. there's no such thing as a GCV

GCU though....

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-29 03:13pm

It would as well. there's no such thing as a GCV

GCU though....

GDAMN IT! I though it was General Contact Vessel

WTF are those damn Acronmys as I so often forget them

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-09-29 03:21pm

There is a GSV, and a GCU, but no GCV.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-29 03:27pm

Mr Bean wrote:
It would as well. there's no such thing as a GCV

GCU though....
GDAMN IT! I though it was General Contact Vessel

WTF are those damn Acronmys as I so often forget them

GCU-General Contact UNIT
GSV General Systems Vessel
ROU-Rapid Offensive Unit
dROU-(disarmed) Offensive Unit.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-09-29 11:56pm

ROU isnt that Rabid offensive unit

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-09-30 12:08am

Mr Bean wrote:Aye its still fun to mess with Akira

*Whats next, The E-D VS the Culture GCV? :D and the E-D wins?

We need more posts like his, ones that are so easy to shoot down that you can spend half your time laughing and up your post count at the same time.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-01 02:05pm

Howedar wrote:There is a GSV, and a GCU, but no GCV.

Yeah, but a millitrised GSV wouldn't even bother with the enterprise, just let it batter itself to death on the feild envelope.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 04:39pm

Akira, why would the ISD even need to launch its fighters against a Sovereign? It could just obliterate the ship with a single HTL blast.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-01 05:06pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Akira, why would the ISD even need to launch its fighters against a Sovereign? It could just obliterate the ship with a single HTL blast.

for the fun of watch the ship die to a bunch of puny snub fighters.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-10-01 06:08pm

NecronLord wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:Aye its still fun to mess with Akira

*Whats next, The E-D VS the Culture GCV? and the E-D wins?
It would as well. there's no such thing as a GCV

GCU though....

Yes, there is. There is the GCV Steely Glint.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-10-01 06:10pm

To clarify, it was the commander of Culture forces near the Excession, in the book Excession.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 11:49pm

Has Akira ever made a real point on this board, or does he just kind of show up for one or two posts and then leave? I never manage to engage him in a proper debate because he never invests enough time in his posts to completely draw him out. Next time, do me a favor and continue to bait him until he comes after us with a vengeance. Then just let me handle that mini-troll. Thanks, everyone.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-01 11:58pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Has Akira ever made a real point on this board, or does he just kind of show up for one or two posts and then leave? I never manage to engage him in a proper debate because he never invests enough time in his posts to completely draw him out. Next time, do me a favor and continue to bait him until he comes after us with a vengeance. Then just let me handle that mini-troll. Thanks, everyone.

You think we'd give up our favorite kitty toy? I mean you just dangle stuff in front of him and he swats uselessly at it until becoming "bored" and moving on without accomplishing anything.

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