Delayed reaction (ST:I)

Dori-Ma · Post by **Dori-Ma** » 2002-10-13 07:13pm

I was watching Star Trek: Insurrection last night and a question that should've accurred to me four years ago popped into my head last night; why is it that Geordi LaForge's eyes grow back yet Picards hair and heart do not

Also, when did it dawn on you to ask that particular question?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-13 07:19pm

Dori-Ma wrote:I was watching Star Trek: Insurrection last night and a question that should've accurred to me four years ago popped into my head last night; why is it that Geordi LaForge's eyes grow back yet Picards hair and heart do not

Also, when did it dawn on you to ask that particular question?

The instant I saw Geordi's Eyes. Geordi was born blind, Picard was born with a heart. Looks like someone screwed the pooch on this one.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-13 07:24pm

Heart?

Did I miss something?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-13 07:26pm

XaLEv wrote:Heart?

Did I miss something?

Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-13 07:29pm

Everything in ST:I reeks of idiocy, it's best not to dwell on it's stupid, stupid plot.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-13 07:31pm

Alyeska wrote:Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.

Damn.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-13 07:33pm

Evil Jerk wrote:Everything in ST:I reeks of idiocy, it's best not to dwell on it's stupid, stupid plot.

They did give us a few cool things.

Better and more practical Captains Yacht

A really kickass small scoutship that is decently armed

A nice full sized shuttle that doesn't have to be as massive as a Runabout

A decent musical score

Other then that...

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-13 07:51pm

Of course! I see it now! The planet only heals NATURAL defects, not INJURIES!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-13 08:49pm

One of the worst Star Trek films ever made. And when you consider some of its competition (eg- STV), that's saying something.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-13 09:07pm

Darth Wong wrote:One of the worst Star Trek films ever made. And when you consider some of its competition (eg- STV), that's saying something.

Well ST V was weak it had potential to be Good, Insurrection had none.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-13 09:09pm

Alyeska wrote:
XaLEv wrote:Heart?

Did I miss something?
Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.

I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-13 09:31pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
XaLEv wrote:Heart?

Did I miss something?
Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.
I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.

Mild mannered? "Droids aren't known to tear your arms off and beat you to death with them" or something along those lines when regarding Chewie I believe. Wookies have been shown to be smart, but tempermental in SW IMO.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-13 09:34pm

Alyeska wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.
I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.
Mild mannered? "Droids aren't known to tear your arms off and beat you to death with them" or something along those lines when regarding Chewie I believe. Wookies have been shown to be smart, but tempermental in SW IMO.

What I meant was that Only if you cross a wookie will you know your screwed, but Nausicans seem far more irritrable than a Wookie.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-13 09:49pm

Unless my mind (with its anti-stupidity shields at maximum) wandered off of some tiny point of detail in the movie, it struck me that the entire plot was pointless. As I recall, the Enterprise crew began to experience tissue regeneration and age-reversal effects from distant orbit of the Bak'u homeworld. Which means that the effect of the metaphasic radiation (or whatever the hell technobabble term Braga invented for this goofy film) wasn't confined to the immediate area of the Bak'u's Napa Valley themepark village. This means that the healing effects could be experienced anywhere on the planet, or at least along the regions beneath the ring system where the radiations were apparently strongest, or even within orbital proximity of the planet.

So what was the problem? Couldn't the Son'a have simply settled some other part of the planet? Couldn't Federationists seeking cures for their ills simply visit other parts of the Bak'u homeworld to receive the benefits of the Cosmic Tanning Lamp? It struck me that there was no real reason for the Bak'u to have to be displaced at all. And if that is the case, then there was no point to the whole damn movie.

I left the theatre just shaking my head with disappointement, because plot elements didn't connect up with one another and nothing made any fucking sense whatsoever. Waste of celluoid from start to finish.

And with those "dress uniforms" for the movie, there were points where I kept expecting Capt. Picard to appear at a table and calmly announce "Hello, I'm Jean-Luc and I'll be your maitre'd tonight."

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-10-13 09:54pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
XaLEv wrote:Heart?

Did I miss something?
Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.
I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.

Plus Wookies are cute and Nausican are uglier then Miss Klingon Empire.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-13 11:29pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Unless my mind (with its anti-stupidity shields at maximum) wandered off of some tiny point of detail in the movie, it struck me that the entire plot was pointless. As I recall, the Enterprise crew began to experience tissue regeneration and age-reversal effects from distant orbit of the Bak'u homeworld. Which means that the effect of the metaphasic radiation (or whatever the hell technobabble term Braga invented for this goofy film) wasn't confined to the immediate area of the Bak'u's Napa Valley themepark village. This means that the healing effects could be experienced anywhere on the planet, or at least along the regions beneath the ring system where the radiations were apparently strongest, or even within orbital proximity of the planet.

So what was the problem? Couldn't the Son'a have simply settled some other part of the planet? Couldn't Federationists seeking cures for their ills simply visit other parts of the Bak'u homeworld to receive the benefits of the Cosmic Tanning Lamp? It struck me that there was no real reason for the Bak'u to have to be displaced at all. And if that is the case, then there was no point to the whole damn movie.

I left the theatre just shaking my head with disappointement, because plot elements didn't connect up with one another and nothing made any fucking sense whatsoever. Waste of celluoid from start to finish.

And with those "dress uniforms" for the movie, there were points where I kept expecting Capt. Picard to appear at a table and calmly announce "Hello, I'm Jean-Luc and I'll be your maitre'd tonight."

Yeah, just fill the damn place with regeneration spa's... and if they're concerned about their small-town folksy lifestile, just make them all in orbital stations and leave the planet alone.

BTW I never seem to watch the beginning of the movie, Geordi's eyes grew back? How lame... I thought the fake eyes in FC were uber-cool, more than his hair-rake-turned-visor... Were these people non-human? Or just human colonizers that found the fountain of youth?

Psycho Smiley · Post by **Psycho Smiley** » 2002-10-14 12:39am

Not to drive the thread off-topic, but:

Has anyone else noticed that with Star Trek lately (Ent. in particular) it's a bad idea to say to yourself "Wait a minute! That doesn't make sense! Why didn't..." because you'll just give yourself a headache?

I've noticed that Ent. is answering these questions about five seconds after I ask them lately, with otherwise unnecessary diologue.

One thing though. Aside for providing the current mini-plot, WTF didn't they just beam the guy off the hull in the Romulan minefield episode, or at least explain it therein?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-14 01:19am

Psycho Smiley wrote:Not to drive the thread off-topic, but:

Has anyone else noticed that with Star Trek lately (Ent. in particular) it's a bad idea to say to yourself "Wait a minute! That doesn't make sense! Why didn't..." because you'll just give yourself a headache? I've noticed that Ent. is answering these questions about five seconds after I ask them lately, with otherwise unnecessary diologue.

Your post is off-topic only in a technical sense: it does not bear upon the specific subject at hand (re: the overall stupidity of Insurrection) but it is certainly connected to the general lack of sense permeating the entire (we can hardly call it) "creative" process at work in the Franchise.

One thing though. Aside for providing the current mini-plot, WTF didn't they just beam the guy off the hull in the Romulan minefield episode, or at least explain it therein?

So many "what ifs". What if they just sent out a demolitions specialist instead of the ship's chief combat officer and later, insanely, its captain to do the job? What if they simply detatched the hull plate and manoeuvered away from the mine instead of even bothering to risk a man on bomb disposal in the first place? What if actual science fiction writers were working on this godawful excuse for a show? So many "what ifs" which remain utterly unaddressed in a show which apparently is under no requirement whatsoever to make a lick of sense.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2002-10-14 01:28pm

Dori-Ma wrote:I was watching Star Trek: Insurrection last night and a question that should've accurred to me four years ago popped into my head last night; why is it that Geordi LaForge's eyes grow back yet Picards hair and heart do not

Also, when did it dawn on you to ask that particular question?

Never, actually!

My guess is that you've gotta *have* the relevant bodypart for it
to be revitalized by the planet's technobabble. I could be wrong,
though, since I don't remember the specifics concerning LaForge's
blindness.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-14 02:28pm

seanrobertson wrote:
Dori-Ma wrote:I was watching Star Trek: Insurrection last night and a question that should've accurred to me four years ago popped into my head last night; why is it that Geordi LaForge's eyes grow back yet Picards hair and heart do not

Also, when did it dawn on you to ask that particular question?
Never, actually!

My guess is that you've gotta *have* the relevant bodypart for it
to be revitalized by the planet's technobabble. I could be wrong,
though, since I don't remember the specifics concerning LaForge's
blindness.

Except that the post-FC Geordi has, IIRC, his eyes removed and bionic implants instead (those cool looking eyes that also were used in that 3-timeline Picard flashback/forward epide with Q)

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2002-10-14 03:16pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Except that the post-FC Geordi has, IIRC, his eyes removed and bionic implants instead (those cool looking eyes that also were used in that 3-timeline Picard flashback/forward epide with Q)

Outstanding point!!!!! I'd totally overlooked that.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-14 03:39pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Yeah, just fill the damn place with regeneration spa's... and if they're concerned about their small-town folksy lifestile, just make them all in orbital stations and leave the planet alone.

Or nuke them from orbit, but hey, I guess your solution could work too.
It's just not as quick or fun as mine

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-14 03:46pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Yeah, just fill the damn place with regeneration spa's... and if they're concerned about their small-town folksy lifestile, just make them all in orbital stations and leave the planet alone.
Or nuke them from orbit, but hey, I guess your solution could work too.
It's just not as quick or fun as mine

I'd prefer sending troops in to personally club each and every one of those bigotted little hippies until their brains were mush.. don't underestimate the personal touch.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2002-10-14 03:49pm

paladin wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Picard has a REALLY cold heart (actually no). Way back when Picard was young once. He got in a fight with some Nausican's (ST equivilent of Wookies) and had a knife stabbed through his back, through his heart, and out of his chest. Got a replacement mechanical heart so he could live.
I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.
Plus Wookies are cute and Nausican are uglier then Miss Klingon Empire.

*backs away slowly, eyeing paladin nervously*

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-10-14 04:15pm

Iceberg wrote:
paladin wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote: I wouldn't go that far and say Nausicans are equivalent to Wookies, especially the way Picard Handled them. Plus Wookie are usually mild mannered, Nausicans are not.
Plus Wookies are cute and Nausican are uglier then Miss Klingon Empire.
*backs away slowly, eyeing paladin nervously*

Wookies are cute like a dog or cat is cute not like Natalie Portman cute.

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