Is Enterprise Really Star Trek?

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-18 02:40pm

I've been attempting to discuss this question at the "Enterprise" Yahoo Group, and was disappointed to discover that the idiots there haven't even posted one single on-topic reply.

Based on Enterprise's blatant continuity violations and massive distortions of TOS "history", does this crap series even qualify as "Star Trek"? Since the majority of net-going Enterprise fans can't seem to scrape two functional brain cells together to answer that question, maybe a more rational audience is needed. That's you.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-18 02:47pm

I think this has been discussed before, but of course it doesn't, anybody can see it.
Enterprise is just a generic sci-fi show with familiar terminology tacked on to cash in on Star Trek, because B&B are too shitless and untalented to make a new show on their own.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-18 02:48pm

No.

And here is my logic:

'Star Trek' is not in the title. If you watch the title sequence, you can see the only reference to Trek is a line saying 'Based on Gene Roddinbery(sp)'s Star Trek'.

This seems enough to seperate the two.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-18 02:49pm

Yes and no. By copyright, it is part of Star Trek. However because Gene Roddenberry holds the moral rights of the show, anything Gene says that contradicts new information done by Paramount (thus Enterprise) is defaulted to Gene. That means either you ignore the contradictions between Enterprise and TOS (meaning any contradiction is automatically sided with Gene), which kinda makes the whole thing a mute point because then you don't get to change ideas from TOS to ENT. Or your second option is to say that Enterprise is an alternate universe where things are very similar, but not identical to the original universe (TOS).

Either way, because of moral rights paramount and B&B can't over ride Gene and his work (TOS, most of TNG, first 4 movies). So either you ignore the contradictions from the new work, or accept the new work is similar but not the same.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2002-10-18 02:50pm

This is odd, it says that there is no replies, yet there are replies.
Odd.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-18 03:00pm

Alyeska wrote:Yes and no. By copyright, it is part of Star Trek. However because Gene Roddenberry holds the moral rights of the show, anything Gene says that contradicts new information done by Paramount (thus Enterprise) is defaulted to Gene. That means either you ignore the contradictions between Enterprise and TOS (meaning any contradiction is automatically sided with Gene), which kinda makes the whole thing a mute point because then you don't get to change ideas from TOS to ENT. Or your second option is to say that Enterprise is an alternate universe where things are very similar, but not identical to the original universe (TOS).

Either way, because of moral rights paramount and B&B can't over ride Gene and his work (TOS, most of TNG, first 4 movies). So either you ignore the contradictions from the new work, or accept the new work is similar but not the same.

Or we can just take it as a mildly entertaining space flick with no meaning and no claim to canon -- like I do.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-18 07:18pm

jegs2 wrote:Or we can just take it as a mildly entertaining space flick with no meaning and no claim to canon -- like I do.

Sadly, it's not even "mildly entertaining". It is, however, quite meaningless.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-18 08:53pm

Wow, you guys actually watch it?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-18 09:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:Wow, you guys actually watch it?

In my case, I catch the very occasional episode as morbid curiosity dictates. Fortunately, having survived a viewing of Battlefield Dearth and any number of MST3K airings of Monster A GoGo and Manos: The Hands Of Fate, Boobyprise holds no terrors for me.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-18 09:43pm

First of all, I don't really consider it Trek at all.

And second of all, yes I do actually watch it, if nothing else because I'm forced to watch it with my parents.

Vapthorne · Post by **Vapthorne** » 2002-10-18 09:54pm

RayCav: What did you do to deserve such a punishment?

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-18 09:56pm

Vapthorne wrote:RayCav: What did you do to deserve such a punishment?

They actually like it, what can I say

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-18 10:13pm

Darth Wong wrote:Wow, you guys actually watch it?

Much like rubber-neckers slow down to watch a flaming car wreck. Actually, I hoped the show would bring back the glory days of TOS. Sadly, that as of yet has not happened, and when I saw they intended to cast a female vulcan I had serious misgivings.[/code]

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-18 10:14pm

I got a non Trekkie friend who watches it and rather likes it as a stand alone series.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-18 10:14pm

RayCav of ASVS wrote:First of all, I don't really consider it Trek at all.

And second of all, yes I do actually watch it, if nothing else because I'm forced to watch it with my parents.

When I was a young'n, I had no fear of being forced to watch anything. One hour of TV was all we were allowed to watch per night (except on weekends), so my sister and I had to carefully plan out our TV viewing schedule. All bets were off in the case of poor grades.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-10-18 10:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:Wow, you guys actually watch it?

Barely. But when the cranked up the time travel and technobabble BS...

Vapthorne · Post by **Vapthorne** » 2002-10-18 10:23pm

I guess Enterprise is a good lesson, when I think my writing and plot lines are poor, I think about B&B's writing staff and it perks me up.

If only I can do something about that procastination.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-19 12:53am

Actually, they snuck in "Star Trek" to Enterprise. So sadly, Pieceofcrapprise is canon... Bastards... Thou shalt not fuck with TOS continuity, the only good series in the Star Trek cash cow.... i mean.. franchise.... yes, yes, of course..

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-19 02:59am

jegs2 wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Yes and no. By copyright, it is part of Star Trek. However because Gene Roddenberry holds the moral rights of the show, anything Gene says that contradicts new information done by Paramount (thus Enterprise) is defaulted to Gene. That means either you ignore the contradictions between Enterprise and TOS (meaning any contradiction is automatically sided with Gene), which kinda makes the whole thing a mute point because then you don't get to change ideas from TOS to ENT. Or your second option is to say that Enterprise is an alternate universe where things are very similar, but not identical to the original universe (TOS).

Either way, because of moral rights paramount and B&B can't over ride Gene and his work (TOS, most of TNG, first 4 movies). So either you ignore the contradictions from the new work, or accept the new work is similar but not the same.
Or we can just take it as a mildly entertaining space flick with no meaning and no claim to canon -- like I do.

That's kinda like admitting that you're a guy and you watch Charmed, and that you don't watch it for the chicks.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-19 10:57am

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
That's kinda like admitting that you're a guy and you watch Charmed, and that you don't watch it for the chicks.

That's not even a good enough reason to watch Charmed.

One of the women I work with watches Charmed and all I could think was, "Huh, why would she watch Charmed". The only reason I can see watching the show is the chicks but the show is so lame that I've never made it through an entire episode without getting bored. Perhaps if they threw in nudity.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2002-10-19 07:29pm

You guys do of course realize that the TOS wasn't really that great of a series to begin with right?Whats with all the rosecolored viewing of history lately?

Hell if TOS were to come in today with the same scripts (and updated visuals ofcourse) I'd bet you same people would rip it to shreds as being a "poorly written crapfest". And I'm not trying to stand up for Enterprise, hate it all you want, but don't act like TOS was some kind of masterpiece cause it wasn't.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-19 07:39pm

Admiral_K wrote:You guys do of course realize that the TOS wasn't really that great of a series to begin with right?Whats with all the rosecolored viewing of history lately?

With Boobyprise serving up plots such as the ship's captain obsessively worrying about his doggie while fantasising about having sex with the ship's Walking Freezer Unit, "Spock's Brain" is Citizen Kane by comparison.

Hell if TOS were to come in today with the same scripts (and updated visuals ofcourse) I'd bet you same people would rip it to shreds as being a "poorly written crapfest"

Only if it were being done in today's BragaTrek™ style.

And I'm not trying to stand up for Enterprise

You do a mighty good imitation of doing so.

hate it all you want, but don't act like TOS was some kind of masterpiece cause it wasn't.

Compared to Boobyprise, it most certainly is.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-10-19 07:40pm

Admiral_K wrote:You guys do of course realize that the TOS wasn't really that great of a series to begin with right?Whats with all the rosecolored viewing of history lately?

Hell if TOS were to come in today with the same scripts (and updated visuals ofcourse) I'd bet you same people would rip it to shreds as being a "poorly written crapfest". And I'm not trying to stand up for Enterprise, hate it all you want, but don't act like TOS was some kind of masterpiece cause it wasn't.

*cough* yea in your opinion. I like TOS. When TNN shows TNG and TOS...I watch TOS and scrap TNG.

Cyaround,
Jason

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-19 07:44pm

Admiral_K wrote:You guys do of course realize that the TOS wasn't really that great of a series to begin with right?Whats with all the rosecolored viewing of history lately?

Hell if TOS were to come in today with the same scripts (and updated visuals ofcourse) I'd bet you same people would rip it to shreds as being a "poorly written crapfest".

TOS has many well written plots with aspects that were ahead of it's time.
The fact that they stand up today as the best Trek has to offer should tell you something.

And I'm not trying to stand up for Enterprise, hate it all you want, but don't act like TOS was some kind of masterpiece cause it wasn't.

Why is it then that whenever I see you post, you're defending Enterprise by bashing TOS?

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-19 07:45pm

If TOS had been given a quarter the support that the current Trek series get it would have been so far out of their league it wouldn't even be funny. Imagine a TOS where they didn't run out of money and have to make filler episodes like Spocks Brain.

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