Most Repressive Government?

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-10-21 08:25pm

Which government do you think is the most repressive?
The United Federation of Planets
The Romulan Star Empire
The Klingon Empire
The Galactic Empire

Or some other government not mentioned.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-21 08:30pm

Isrealy Goverment, Invdades other countrys and takes away every convieble freedom and right in the name of Secruity and still does nothing

However you can't Top Iran and its standing policy of excuting damn near anyone they can get away with

Hmm, I know! The Jews under David, Raping pillaging and enslaving everything they came across and at the same time killing anyone who disagreed with the David, even your own son was supposed to be killed by your hand if he strayed

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-10-21 08:45pm

Mr Bean wrote:Isrealy Goverment, Invdades other countrys and takes away every convieble freedom and right in the name of Secruity and still does nothing

You jest.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-21 08:48pm

I'd say that the title has to go to the Romulan Star Empire. Even though the Galactic Empire has imposed direct military rule, it does not enforce total ideological conformity as we have seen with the Romulans and the similarly fascist Cardassian Union. The Romulan Tal'shiar seems to function not only as a foreign intelligence service but also as the state's loyalty police.

The United Federation of Planets remains nominally democratic and ensures conformity through lifelong indoctrination and the provision of a fairly high standard of living. While the Klingon Empire is essentially a theocracy which maintains itself in power through religious inculcation and an ideology of personal honour combined with a feudal system of rivalries which keep the clans at each others' throats and thereby ensures a divided opposition to the regime.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-10-21 08:56pm

I say the cardassians they seem to have most the repression of the Romulan empire but with a added dose of cruelty

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-10-21 09:37pm

Other:

The Sith Empire. At least with the Vong the people have the option of being promoted to the aristocracy (IE the high priests, Warmaster, Master Shapers), the Sith don't even have that option.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-10-21 09:52pm

like two others here, i say the federation. dirty red bastards!

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-10-21 09:55pm

Insufficient data on available choices. I doubt any of them could beat out real-life regimes though.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-21 10:09pm

I second that.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-21 10:54pm

Mr Bean wrote:Isrealy Goverment, Invdades other countrys and takes away every convieble freedom and right in the name of Secruity and still does nothing

However you can't Top Iran and its standing policy of excuting damn near anyone they can get away with

Hmm, I know! The Jews under David, Raping pillaging and enslaving everything they came across and at the same time killing anyone who disagreed with the David, even your own son was supposed to be killed by your hand if he strayed

If your country was suffering from suicide bombing attacks on a regular basis security would come before liberty. That is just the way the real world works.

As far as the Biblical Jews are concerned, you have to remember that the Tanakh was written by several different sources. The Yahwists (J Source), the followers of Elohim (E), the Deuteronomists (D), and the Priests (P). Each of these sources was concerned with different issues. If I remember correctly, the Deuteronomists (and Priests occasionally) were interested in maintaining the "racial and religious purity" of the Israelites (Jewish became a term after Cyrus defeated the Babylonians circa 538 BC). Part of enforcing the idea of separation was in the inclusion of texts which described the proscribing of enemy civilizations. Proscribing was actually a common practice by the other civilizations around ancient Israel as well, I don't believe we know how common it was though.

There is reason to believe that the proscribing described in the Bible in the Book of Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, I and II Samuel may not have happened exactly have the Bible presents it.

That being the case, we need to look at the Bible's description of David objectively.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-21 11:10pm

Ignoring Sources, After all if one does not belive that a Big Invisble Man in the cloudes created the Universe in six days. One could corretly refer to the Bible as "ficton"

Just like Star-Trek is Fiction(Science Fiction but still Fiction)

The subject is most oppresive goverment so I went and found the most oppresive goverment I could think of

Real or not is the UFP real?
Yet you still use it as a possible goverment whats wrong with me using the Jews under David?

Anyway to the other point, I ask of the freedoms the Isrealys given up(Pretty much everything) has it realy helped? Do you know the stopage rate of attacks? IE how offten has the Mosad stoped terriorsts from striking?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-10-22 12:02am

The Domination of the Draka, followed by Orwell's 1984, with an honorable mention for Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" government.
Israel's current government is incredibly repressive, especially for a government that the U.S. is so closely tied to.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-22 12:19am

I'm surprised no one has said Nazi Germany. Well, I just did...

#&#$ing bastard nazis. Kill 'em all.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-22 12:30am

Stalin's USSR

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-22 12:34am

The absolute dictatorship which I will institute with my Dark Sith Powers, where fundies and idiots (whoops, that's redundant) will be ruthlessly persecuted. But ... pornography for all!! Vote Sith!!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-22 12:38am

Darth Wong wrote:The absolute dictatorship which I will institute with my Dark Sith Powers, where fundies and idiots (whoops, that's redundant) will be ruthlessly persecuted. But ... pornography for all!! Vote Sith!!

No, it's not redundant. There are plenty of idiots that aren't fundies. There are communists, PETA, a lot the NRA as well.

Darth Wong has my vote for absolute evil overlord! (Can I get some sort trusted lieutenant's job?

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2002-10-22 12:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:The absolute dictatorship which I will institute with my Dark Sith Powers, where fundies and idiots (whoops, that's redundant) will be ruthlessly persecuted. But ... pornography for all!! Vote Sith!!

When you're tired of voting for the lesser evil.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2002-10-22 12:11pm

porn for all you say? ,hmmmmm (mulls over).......My alligance is with the sith!

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-10-22 01:44pm

I vote "other" for Warhammer 40,000's Imperium of Man. Why?

* A one-faith society. Any deviation from worshipping the Emperor is heresy and punishable by torture and death.

* Civilians have no choice in their government, homes, consumer products or environment; all is chosen by the local government, itself a direct extension of the central adminstration. Only a rich elite, many of whom are military or government officials, have any means of control over their own or their families' destinies.

* Widespread corruption by local government, where the gains outweigh the terrible risks involved. Human life matters little in such affairs, neither to the perpertrators or those policing them.

* Military service for life - but even as a lowly Guardsman you're one step above the billions of slaves and cyborgs that keep the Imperium running.

* Incorrruptable police officers armed with just-this-side-of-non-lethal weapons which they can use with absolute impunity, and shotguns and grenade launchers

* A massive secret police force with no accountability, whose agents can justify destroying entire planets if need be.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-22 02:53pm

Yeah, but you get kick-ass guns.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-22 05:18pm

The Turks should also be nominated as one of the most repressive governments. They were responsible for the massacer of approximately 6 million Armenians in the early 20th Century.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-22 10:36pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:The Turks should also be nominated as one of the most repressive governments. They were responsible for the massacer of approximately 6 million Armenians in the early 20th Century.

There weren't 6 million Armenians for them to kill. The actual number was more like 1 million. The fact that they where fighting a massive guerrilla war against the Turks also seems to have escaped your equation.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-22 11:23pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The absolute dictatorship which I will institute with my Dark Sith Powers, where fundies and idiots (whoops, that's redundant) will be ruthlessly persecuted. But ... pornography for all!! Vote Sith!!
No, it's not redundant. There are plenty of idiots that aren't fundies. There are communists, PETA, a lot the NRA as well.

Darth Wong has my vote for absolute evil overlord! (Can I get some sort trusted lieutenant's job?

Porn is good, but watching the dregs of society suffer is even better!

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-10-23 12:20am

Vote Sith in 2004
As an unrelated note, random executions will continue until Darth Wong's popularity polls improve.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-23 12:21am

consequences wrote:Vote Sith in 2004
As an unrelated note, random executions will continue until Darth Wong's popularity polls improve.

Nah, shoot fundies. They're in the way of His Dark Majesty's Ascension. Besides, it'll get use on his good side once the reign of terror commences.

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