Has anyone seen this site?

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-10-24 03:51pm

http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/index.html

If you havent then i advise to check it out,especially the ST and SW ship stats.

Here is a small example

Heavy Explorer USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-E
Launched 2372
Sovereign Class
Length 16764m, Mass 4,000,000,000 tons
0 to Warp 1 in 5.8 seconds
270 degrees/sec maneuverability
16 kilocochrane hyperdrive core
256 megacochrane warp core
Warp 15 (11,390,625c) Cruise, Warp 24 (191,102,976c) Emergency
3860 Type-12 megaphasers (7.2 megayottawatts) in 12 arrays
3160 Type-11 megaphasers (720 kiloyottawatts) in 24 arrays
6 Type-10 rapid-fire quantum torpedo tubes (@15 torpedoes / s) with @4500 casings
12 Type-8 burst-fire quantum torpedo tubes (@12 torpedoes / 2s) with @1800 casings
24 Type-6 burst-fire quantum torpedo tubes (@12 torpedoes / 5s) with @720 casings
500 isoteraton superheavy quantum torpedoes
5 isoteraton heavy quantum torpedoes, 100 isogigaton heavy ion torpedoes
50 isogigaton quantum torpedoes, 1 isogigaton ion torpedoes, 20 isomegaton photon torpedoes
Castrodium/neutronium triple hull
710cm active deflector plating, 420cm high-density reactive armor, 245cm multilayer ablative armor
Subspace-amplified EM/gravitic structural integrity field system
250 gigayottawatt secondary energy dissipation rate (hull)
10 terayottawatt primary energy dissipation rate (armor)
4.92*1055 J instantaneous directed KE capacity
Subspace-amplified EM/gravitic navigational deflector system
Triple-redundant automodulating regenerative subspace-amplified EM/gravitic defensive grid
400 terayottawatt tertiary energy dissipation rate (defense fields)
25 petayottawatt secondary energy dissipation rate (deflector screens)
1 exayottawatt primary energy dissipation rate (forcefield shields)
4.92*1060 J instantaneous directed KE capacity
Saucer separation capability
Transhield transporter capability

Imperial Star Destroyer
Kuat Drive Yards
Length 1600m, Mass 6,500,000 tons
10 MGLT top speed
2 degrees/sec maneuverability
1.4 cochrane hyperdrive core
48 Type-5 turbolaser cannons (2 kilowatts)
16 Type-5 ion cannons (1 kilowatt)
48 Type-4b laser cannons (400 watts)
8 tractor beam projectors
Titanium-reinforced alusteel single hull
30 J instantaneous directed KE resist
2.4*105 J instantaneous directed KE capacity (hull)
3*104 J instantaneous directed KE capacity (per deflector tower)
EM polarized hull plating
320 watt repolarization rate
300 J instantaneous directed KE resist
4.8*105 J instantaneous directed KE capacity
288 Fighters

But dont take it wrong, the guy's site actually has some scientific material and analysis from which he tries to derive his dillusions.

Check it out its a good laugh.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-10-24 03:56pm

"48 Type-5 turbolaser cannons (2 kilowatts) "

A turbo laser is equal to 20 lightbulbs??? They could at least *TRY* to make a reasonable underestimate. gheesh.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-10-24 03:58pm

And the ISD has 400 watt cannons. While the MIGHTY FEDERATION HAS UMPTEEN BAJILLION YOTAZETTA GOOGLE UGA WATT PHASERS MUAHAHAHA!

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-24 03:58pm

Seen it before. There was a big fuss about it a while back, then everyone just kinda forgot about it for a while.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-24 04:01pm

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:But dont take it wrong, the guy's site actually has some scientific material and analysis from which he tries to derive his dillusions.

So where exactly is this "scientific matehial 'n analysis"?

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-24 04:06pm

"Quote" It is my own guesstimate that, during the two years of the Dominion War, Starfleet launched 129,463 major starships. "unquote"

Mighty precise number for a guesstimate. ::reads further:: WTF? Where, how do these numbers come from, especially fleet strength? Nevermind - I don't want to know...

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-24 04:08pm

And the soveriegn is supposed to be "USS Sovereign (16764m, 4 Gt)" Sixteen kilometers long?!

http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/s ... s/fed.html

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-24 04:09pm

willburns84 wrote:"Quote" It is my own guesstimate that, during the two years of the Dominion War, Starfleet launched 129,463 major starships. "unquote"

Mighty precise number for a guesstimate. ::reads further:: WTF? Where, how do these numbers come from, especially fleet strength? Nevermind - I don't want to know...

Well, he would only be able to be more precise if he also noted fractions of ships... why not 129,464 ships then?

Argg...

<goes to kill Thomas with a 50-watt lightbulb>

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-24 04:11pm

Half of his units aren't even real SI units. come on it would look more legit if he took the time to use real units.

also his E-E is way too big and it even contridics cannon statements on its size.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-24 04:12pm

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:And the ISD has 400 watt cannons. While the MIGHTY FEDERATION HAS UMPTEEN BAJILLION YOTAZETTA GOOGLE UGA WATT PHASERS MUAHAHAHA!

Well, using rabid Trekkie mentality, those must be extremely 'efficient' 400 watts, while Feds use extremely wasteful bajillions...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-24 04:19pm

AAAAAARGH

Type-11 antiproton superlaser cannon (4 gigawatts)

DIE DIE KILL HIM KILL HIM

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-10-24 04:29pm

Ok here are his so called Technical Commentaries

Beam weapons
http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/tech-b.html
Missile Weapons
http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/tech-m.html
Shields and Engines
http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/tech-d.html

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-24 04:29pm

*cough* *cough* elementaryschooldropout *cough*

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-24 04:36pm

This guy doesn't even use si Units what in heavens name is a Chocran?

also the E-E is way too big and doesn't even match on screen quote to the ship's size.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-24 04:38pm

Considering how much of a big deal they made about Warp 10 as a threshold in the shows, how stupid would you have to be to say that a ship can go Warp 24 or even Warp 15.

"...as the show's writers do not really understand how 24th Century technology works" Yet this moron thinks he does.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-10-24 04:45pm

I mailed him once about the figures he gave for SW and kindly pointed out that how the hell he thinks that 4GW is enough to blow up a planet. Or how the E-E is stated in his site to be over 20 times longer than it is specifically mentioned to be in ST:FC. He replied by avoiding my questions.

This guy really gotta have some brain damage, it is not possible that someone in full mental health could come up with something like this.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-24 04:58pm

He is plainly trolling. He's got TIe fighters down as having lasers that are 100W!

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2002-10-24 05:00pm

A joke, obviously.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2002-10-24 05:12pm

I doubt that he is joking, the Tech Commentaries pages have a lot of stuf on them altough they are full bullshit it still takes time to do all that, he must seriously belive in those figures, atleast he honestly tried to base them to me when i maled him.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-10-24 05:14pm

willburns84 wrote:And the soveriegn is supposed to be "USS Sovereign (16764m, 4 Gt)" Sixteen kilometers long?!

http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/startrek/s ... s/fed.html

He stole the Ex Astris Scientia images and didn't even look at the dimensions that went with them.

Talk about a dumbass...

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-10-24 05:20pm

ahemcough*trekkiewankboy*cough.

Cpt. Marko Ramius · Post by **Cpt. Marko Ramius** » 2002-10-24 05:23pm

I am not even WILLING to look at the site... I'm just enough Trekkie to know how wrong a lot of that information is. First off, it's impossible to go faster than warp 10, because at Warp 10, you occupy all points in the universe at once, in other words have infinite speed, in other words YOU CANNOT GO THAT FAST DAMMIT. Second, the Enterprise-E Is WAY less then one kilometer long, let alone 16. And various other things.

And for whoever asked, a Cochrane, named for the man who invented warp drive, is a unit used to measure warp field intensity.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-10-24 05:26pm

Cpt. Marko Ramius wrote:I am not even WILLING to look at the site... I'm just enough Trekkie to know how wrong a lot of that information is. First off, it's impossible to go faster than warp 10, because at Warp 10, you occupy all points in the universe at once, in other words have infinite speed, in other words YOU CANNOT GO THAT FAST DAMMIT.

Well, B&B even misinterpreted the concept of infinite speed. Infinite speed means that it's impossible to go faster, but you won't occupy every point in the universe at once.

Still, your point stands. Unless the Federation recalibrated their warp scale and I wasn't told about it, there's no way that there could be Warp 24.

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2002-10-24 05:49pm

I wrote to him a few months ago:

Hello Mr. Lee,

Please tell me your site is a joke right? Do you
honestly believe the bullshit there? I'd like to know
where you got your numbers for Star Trek. No matter
how laughable your methods were for Star Wars (scaling
14" guns to a pistol? WTF?), it really hurts my brain
to wonder how you got your numbers for Star Trek.

First, a Sovereign Class is 16,764m long? You do
realize that means it's 16.8 kilometers long right? If
you wield Star Trek First Contact's showing of the
Falcon as proof of ST/SW crossover, I wield Picard's
dialogue with equal (more actually) authority when he
said the Enterprise had 20-something decks, and was
600-something meters long.

Second, the Federation Fleet has 427424 starships
while the Dominion has 5993? So... why the hell was
the Dominion such a threat? That means for the UFP and
the Dominion to be equal powers a Dominion ship would
have to equal 71 UFP ships?

Third, your Star Wars profiles are "to scale"? Please
explain why an Imperial Star Cruiser (whatever the
hell that is) is the same size as an Imperial Star
Destroyer but by your own specs, the cruiser is 670m
long while the destroyer is over 2.5 times longer at
1600m.

Forth, so now, according to you, a 400GW laser is
capable of violenty blasting a planet apart? Now
Alderraan was destroyed in about 7/15s of a second.
I'll be generous and give you 1 whole second, meaning
400GJ was imparted on Alderraan. I hope you realize
that the Hiroshima bomb (15kT) released 6.3E13 J or
630 Terajoules of energy; 157.5 times more energy that
the Alderraan blast. Did we have the Earth blow up
then? [NOTE: Yes, I realize I made a calculation error in here; it was late, so sue me]

Christ, my brain's gonna be hurting for weeks after
reading your site. It's not because of the "science"
on it; it's because it beggars the imagination how
someone can be so incredibly biased (or just plain
stupid).

Have fun living in your little dream world. If you
ever decide to get your head out of your ass, here are
two message boards you might want to share your sites
with: http://www.stardestroyer.net/phpBB2/index.php
and http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/ .

Later,

No reply. I thought of being polite but then instinct took over....

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2002-10-24 05:50pm

And are the Trekkies running out of women or something? Do they need something new to look at?

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

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