SW vs ST scenarios with World War II weapons and equipment

[Trekdestroyer]

The main part of this kind of scenario would be who has the better strategy and marksmanship. I think the SW side would win. If you realize that SW weapons are similar to WWII weapons, it's easy to see that the Imps would have no difficulty adapting. This scenario takes away from either side having an unfair advantage.
What do you think about this and what would you change?

[Elheru Aran]

Does Wars have stuff like personal armor (ie, stormtroopers)? And what kind of behind-the-lines material do they have-- what supplies, and do they have factories, machine shops, etc? Are they just plonked down in the trenches, where they find weapons magically in place for them to pick up?

Methinks this scenario needs a little work...

[Praxis]

Are you talking about the SW galaxy vs the ST galaxy, just with all their weapons having been replaced somehow (maybe Q for fun?) with WW2 weapons?

In this case, Star Wars wins for two reasons:
1) MASSIVE numerical advantage
2) Experience with this type of weapon

[Praxis]

Oh,
3) Bulletproof armor...Feddie suits don't do much to stop bullets.

[Sarevok]

I assume you mean that SW and ST side weapons have been replaced by their WW2 counterparts. Things look bad for Feds in this case. Most of their personnel would be stuck with revolvers instead of phasers. The Imperial E-11 blaster would be replaced by Thompson sub machine gun giving them an edge.

[Executor32]

For simplicity, I'll just replace the SW weapons with the WWII weapons from which they were cast and modified, and the ST weapons with their approximate WWII equivalents, since they're not based on any real weapons.

SW
E-11=British Sterling SMG
Long sandtrooper rifle=MG34
Blastech A280=MP44
E-Web=tri/bipod-mounted MG42 (doesn't look like any WWII weapons, so it's replaced with a weapon that shares its role)
ST armor=whatever similarly effective armor was used in WWII

ST
Hand Phaser=Colt 1911 (just to be a bit more fair than the revolver)
Phaser rifle=BAR1918 (or any other WWII assault rifle, really)
Uniforms=any WWII officer uniforms
(Er, do they have any other weapons that are canon?)

Going by this, the Feddies get slaughtered, if for no other reasons than their lack of experience with these types of weapons and their lack of body armor.

[Prozac the Robert]

I don't think body armour was used really. The stormtroopers can have some helmets though.

[Isolder74]

For simplicity, I'll just replace the SW weapons with the WWII weapons from which they were cast and modified, and the ST weapons with their approximate WWII equivalents, since they're not based on any real weapons.

SW
E-11=British Sterling SMG

or a German Machine pistol

Long sandtrooper rifle=MG34

A Browning Automatic Rifle

Blastech A280=MP44
E-Web=tri/bipod-mounted MG42 (doesn't look like any WWII weapons, so it's replaced with a weapon that shares its role)

Browning Maduce! is more closely fitting. A 60 cal.

ST armor=whatever similarly effective armor was used in WWII

only flack vest but they are only used by flyers. lets just keep the feddies and Imperials in their normal clothes

ST
Hand Phaser=Colt 1911 (just to be a bit more fair than the revolver)
Phaser rifle=BAR1918 (or any other WWII assault rifle, really)

Tompson Submachine gun is closer. The BAR is not a submachine gun.it is realy a light machine gun

Uniforms=any WWII officer uniforms
(Er, do they have any other weapons that are canon?)

The First contact rifles they would be Sterngevairs(the German assault rifle) or AK 47's

Going by this, the Feddies get slaughtered, if for no other reasons than their lack of experience with these types of weapons and their lack of body armor.

Agreed. The Federation is basically only armed with light weapons and other small combat gear.

[jawbertsc]

Well I think you forgot the TOS episode where they used that morter against the Gorns. I think that the M1 garand would be a better equivalant of the issue phaser rifle. The TOS crew also seemed pretty experienced with the Tohmpson machinegun in "Peice of the Action". and not to bad with the six shooter in another one. I think the experience advantage would be ST since these weapons existed in their time lines. Although lack of a mg would be bad.

[Batman]

Well I think you forgot the TOS episode where they used that morter against the Gorns.

Ooh. Now Trek has an 80mm or so mortar. Wars has everything and the kitchen sink. Artillery, mortars, armour, ground transportation...

I think that the M1 garand would be a better equivalant of the issue phaser rifle.

Of the pulse phaser rifles, maybe.
The issue rifles are clearly SMGish. No stock, no sights worth mentioning...

The TOS crew also seemed pretty experienced with the Tohmpson machinegun in "Peice of the Action".

Excuse me? I can't remember them doing much more than 'spray and pray' (and at pitiful ranges, at that).

and not to bad with the six shooter in another one. I think the experience advantage would be ST since these weapons existed in their time lines. Although lack of a mg would be bad.

Er-you have a few crew members of the Ent-Nil, two of whom collect antique weapons (Kirk and Sulu)and would therefore be familiar with them.
The rest of the Feds have propably never seen these things outside a museum. If that.

Oh, and Isolder74- it's " Sturmgewehr".
"Sterngevairs" has got to be the strangest spelling I've ever seen

[harbringer]

Ok this is a dead loss to the feddies why welllll......

SW WW2 equipment list

AT-AT - Tiger tank (and yes if the storm troopers dont mind the fumes they can ride on the back...)

AT-ST - M41 Walker Bulldog

Tie Bomber (The storm troopers actually have air support) - B25 Mitchell
Tie int. - P51 Mustang

E-11 - Any carbine repeating rifle (ie Garand carbine or SKS etc.)

E11 Support is effectively a LMG so - Bren/BAR/whatever

E-Web - .50 cal HMG tripod and spare barrels

Thermite Grenade and other grenades - Mills bomb White phosphorus (the willie pete) and HE substitute Sarin and or poison for the agents they have in SW.

Flack jacket, gas mask, binoculers and helmet

winter camoflage

Battleships and aircraft carriers as naval support

This doesn't count stuff like the SPAHT cannon they they should also have but isn't ACTUALLY seen.

Federation WW2 equivilants

hand phaser - being kind - colt 1911 or browning auto.

Phaser rifle - self loading rifle

fatigues of some description coloured red

Cruiser as naval support

This assumes TOS

Which side do you want to bet on?

[Isolder74]

Oh, and Isolder74- it's " Sturmgewehr".
"Sterngevairs" has got to be the strangest spelling I've ever seen

Sorry

I've never been much good at spelling english. I tried to spell it phonetically and failed.

[Batman]

Oh, and Isolder74- it's " Sturmgewehr".
"Sterngevairs" has got to be the strangest spelling I've ever seen

Sorry
I've never been much good at spelling english. I tried to spell it phonetically and failed.

Nevermind, I was just amused. Sorry if I came across as harsh.
And Sturmgewehr is actually the german spelling. I couldn't spell phonetically if my life depended on it.

[Sea Skimmer]

The M41 was first produced in 1951; it is not a WW2 tank. From the US arsenal, the M3 or M5 Stuart or the M24 Chaffee would be more appropriate. Though I think all of them are probably relatively more substantial fighting vehicles then an AT-ST is. Some form of armored wheeled scout car would be more appropriate I think.

But anyway, even with WW2 evening things up the Federation would still be utterly crushed on the ground. Given there utter lack of heavy weapons or experience fighting against them, I doubt they'd fight any better then Chinese warlord troops in the late 1930's, the moment a tank or piece of artillery arrives on the field they'd be fucked and probably flee.

[Isolder74]

Tie Bomber (The storm troopers actually have air support) - B25 Mitchell
Tie int. - P51 Mustang

I agre n the Interceptor but think that the Tie bomber would better fit a Dauntless Dive Bomber or an Avenger Dive Bomber

Maybe even a Stuka Dive Bomber

[CJvR]

AT-AT -> KingTiger

Fed infantry -> trackgrease

[harbringer]

Ok the M41 was a redone chaffee - chaffee it is then . And I just picked a light armoured high firepower unit.

As for the exact quality of the equipment it really doesn't matter since we all know what I ment and what it ment for the federation

[Trekdestroyer]

Ok here's the revamped version:

It's Axis Equipment vs Allies Equipment with SW using Axis equip and ST using Allies equip. The SW side will be represented by the Empire and the ST will be represented by the Feddies.

Like it
Hate it
No Opinion

[weemadando]

To be quite blunt what you'd have would be:

ST-
Phasers = Webley Revolver
Phaser rifle = M1 Carbine or SVT40
That buggy thingy = Willys with 50 cal.
Shuttlecraft = Lysander

SW-
E-11 = Sten gun
Blaster Rifle = MP44 or BAR
E-WEB = MG42
AT-AT = Panzer Division.
AT-ST = Marder/other light tanks.
TIE fighters = Fw190s/Me109s
TIE interceptors = Me262
TIE bomber = stuka
TIE advanced = p-38 lightning (best example I can think of - fighter with some redundant systems, like 2 engines)
Body armour = assume that everyone is wearing a steel plate 1" thick that doesn't impede movement.

Sorry if this is a bit inaccurate, but its the best I can do off the top of my head.

Not much parity really.

[Glocksman]

Even if you gave the Feddies the better equipment, they'd lose simply because they have consistently demonstrated that they have no idea of proper tactics, strategy, organization or doctrine.

The feds have little chance against a company of Hitlerjugend armed only with daggers, much less trained Stormtroopers.

[brianeyci]

The feds have little chance against a company of Hitlerjugend armed only with daggers, much less trained Stormtroopers.

If the Feds were really that bad, then Klingons with their glorified swords would steamroll Fed forces.

Wait. Klingons do .

*shuts mouth*

Brian

[Glocksman]

The feds have little chance against a company of Hitlerjugend armed only with daggers, much less trained Stormtroopers.

If the Feds were really that bad, then Klingons with their glorified swords would steamroll Fed forces.

Wait. Klingons do .

*shuts mouth*

Brian

And what's really sad is that Klingon tactics are basically 'Hey Diddle Diddle, Right Up The Middle'.

Merde, even the French version of the Boy Scouts could whip the Federation in ground combat.

[Typhonis 1]

AT_ST I know I`ll be flamed....... M2 or SdKfz Halkftrack

[UCBooties]

I think what Trekdestroyer wants is not, lets give each side the WWII equivalent of their current aresnal but, instead, let's dump the Fedies on one side with all of the equipment of said side (allies) and Imps on the other (Axis). Now, the reason Imps own is because, yes, they've got experieince with that style of weapon, but more importantly, they have shown themselves capable of organizing and fighting a ground war with air support. The federation has no understanding of tactics in a planetbound combat theater so, Imperial domination hands down.

[ANTIcarrot.]

Aren't you all forgetting something?

Photon torpedo = A-Bomb.

ANTIcarrot.