Pre SDnet view of Star Trek vs Star Wars

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-10 06:13am

Before you visited StarDestroyer.net what was your view of Star Wars vs Star Trek ?

In my case I considered the Trek vs Wars scenario after watching the OT few years back. I thought Imperials would win but they would take heavy losses. Plus I thought Fed tech was more advanced since they had so much technobabble.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-10-10 06:19am

Lasers cannot penetrate navigational shields.

Had I not read the site before I joined the forum, I would have just been another forgettable troll.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-10-10 06:56am

I assumed that there was a lot more parity, that's for sure. I always looked at it as three or four galaxies could conceivably take out an ISD.

To me, my logic started this way: An ISD is larger, has far more guns, and was a war ship. A Galaxy was much smaller, fewer weapons, and was designed for exploration. After that, I pretty much couldn't figure out just how anyone could think Star Trek had a chance.

Wasn't very surprised when that mystical, magical G-word - "gigaton" - started getting used. And then it was all downhill from there.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2004-10-10 06:57am

I just never considered it.

Antares · Post by **Antares** » 2004-10-10 07:34am

Gandalf wrote:Lasers cannot penetrate navigational shields.

Had I not read the site before I joined the forum, I would have just been another forgettable troll.

Same goes for me basicly. But i already had some doubts, when thinking about the Death Star and the fact, that SW ships are able to travel through the hole galaxy within several days.

Also the fast, that SW universe is able to build and field ships like the SSD or only ISD was an evidence of its superiority.

In ST you have never seen something like the final battle scene of ROTJ in terms of fielded ships and their enormous size.

These were the thing i thought about before visiting this site. Michael Wong did a very good job on actually proving my doubts about ST>SW.

There are still some things which i wouldnt agree to, but that wont change the fact that SW>>ST.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-10-10 07:43am

I most definitely believe Trek has no chance of inflicting much more than minute damage in the Star Wars universe now, but before I came and still a little now I believe the universes are largely incompatible anyway, totally different types of tech, different writing styles (i.e. shit vs good) and so on. I don't think it's a fair match. But it's fun and eye opening to explore.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-10 08:02am

Much more parity. I'd take that the Galaxy Class was at least on par with at least something large...maybe a Carrack or something.

The Empire would win but it'd be a bit more bloodier...then the literal slaughter it became.

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2004-10-10 08:17am

I actually came across this site, and sites like this, a little over a year ago while trying to look up info on another Star Wars topic (I forget what). I had no opinion about the matter prior to my coming across this and other sites like this.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-10 11:16am

The Shadow wrote:Before you visited StarDestroyer.net what was your view of Star Wars vs Star Trek ?

In my case I considered the Trek vs Wars scenario after watching the OT few years back. I thought Imperials would win but they would take heavy losses. Plus I thought Fed tech was more advanced since they had so much technobabble.

I thought that the TOS Enterprise would be able to damage but not destroy an ISD

I thought that ST was a bit more powerful from the technobabble, but SW was better due to sheer size and scaryness, so it'd be close.

Then I came here

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2004-10-10 11:39am

When I first started considering the debate, I was on Star War's side. I just took the Death Star as an example of SW tech, saw that ST had nothing comparable, and concluded that their smaller vessels must be correspondingly as advanced. Technological superiority coupled with the fact that they control the entire galaxy rather than a small fraction of it gave me my imperial opinion.

However, at this point I didn't know just HOW powerful ST/SW weaponr/shield were. I was unaware that even ST had MT-level weaponry and was fairly convinced that a modern nuke would take out an SD or Galaxy because a large volume of TL/Phaser fire (which doesn't intuitively look like powerful weapons) could take out an SD/GC

I had this opinion for a while, and it changed only when I got to SB. I stuck around there for a year, and learned some more about canon and the scientific approach that was being taken, and I tried to understand just how much I was missing. Eventually, someone made a reference towards SD.net , I checked it out, and here I am.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-10-10 12:31pm

It was started some years ago, mid-1998, IIRC, where I was starting to get interest in SW vs ST stuff. There were sites that made me believe that "lasers cannot penetrate our navigational deflector shields", which were much to my dismay, since I'm a Warsie. Then I discovered these two gems: Wayne Poe's [link=http://h4h.com/louis/vsfaq.html]USWVST Database[/http] and Mike Wong's [link=http://www.stardestroyer.net]SD.net[/http], where I first read about the asteroid calculation. It was GREAT!!!! Then I went to Dr. Saxton's [link=http://www.theforce.net/swtc]SWTC[/http] and I knew that the Dark Ages is over (at least for me).[/url]

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-10-10 12:33pm

Gah! Some mods please fix the URL tag typos?

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-10-10 12:39pm

I didn't even consider it until I saw the Redshirts vs Stormtroopers grudge match while searching for Star Wars stuff (the game X-Wing had gotten me into Star Wars). I thought it was fun and funny, but wanted to get a better idea for a more serious idea of the debate. I also found the Star Wars Technical Commentaries at about the same time. I didn't know much about Star Trek, so there wasn't much I could do. From there, I found a link to stardestroyer.net. And I was quite pleased that SW came out the way it did.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-10-10 02:01pm

I remember thinking klingons were the equal of stormtroopers. .. mainly cuz I never watched tng.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-10-10 02:19pm

Well, I already was interested in the technical aspects of Star Wars prior, but I acted more like a fanboy in those aspects.

I stumbled upon a link from a prequel military tactics thread on SW.com and read on. Being the Trek fanboy that I was, I automatically assumed that Trek's "superior tactics" and "superior technology" would easily pwn Star Wars.

I read deeper into SD.net until Mike's writings had expelled the Trek from me. It took a while to overcome the denial, but I eventually accepted that SW would crush Trek with almost no effort. Second, Mike's writing had also reeducated me on the concept and philosophy of science plus it's most rudimentary principles.

I am a smarter man thanks to this site.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-10-10 03:34pm

As anyone who saw my first posts would know, I thought that trek would win. I came here from another site (Darkgalaxy) and thought trek would win because of navigational deflectors (which I learned about from DITL. That sight convinced me that Trek would win without ever saying a word about wars because I made the thought leap Laser=Turbolaser). I thought that the main sight was just a portal linking to the different aspects of the site (how I got this in my head I don't know), and as such didn't read it till someone pointed out otherwise. At that point I rapididly conceded all my points and switched over to the wars side. And that's how it's been ever since.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-10 03:35pm

Early 2000: Galaxy class could stomp an SSD and stood a fair chance of taking on a Death Star. Federation could stomp the Empire.

Mid 2000: Galaxy class could stomp an ISD but would be hard pressed to deal with an SSD. Sheer numbers meant that Federation vs Empire meant Empire would win. Hyperdrive is faster, Empire has bigger industrial base, etc...

Late 2000 to late 2001: Galaxy class is outgunned by an ISD, but not grossly so and has advantages it can use to win the battle.

Early 2002 to mid 2003: ICS is incorrect and is not supported by various EU material, opinion still similar to previous time notation.

Mid 2003 to present: ICS was granted canon status, final aspect of the debate ended.

For many of us on the Trek side we entered the debate knowing that Star Trek could win the strategic battle. It didn't take us long to realize this was a mistake. As you can see I agreed with the strategic outlook of the debate for years. A primary point of miscommunication between the Trek and Wars side is the Wars side always wanted to debate the strategic side and the Trek side wanted to debate the tactical side. Because Trekkies were still debating many Warrsies incorrectly assumed we thought Trek could win the strategic side. Although by mid 2002 most Warrsies were aware that the majority of Trekkies had surrendered the Strategic debate. When ICS got its Canon status we again surrendered, this time the tactical debate.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-10-10 03:43pm

I started off thinking the Empire could whip the Romulans, Klingons, and Federation. But I thought the Borg could take on the Empire. At that time, all the info I had on the Borg's "superiority" came from a rabid-Borg friend (Lord Jax; Side Note: we are no longer friends). So I thought the Borg would be able to assimilate, adapt and conquer SW any day of the week.

Needless to say I came here and was floored by all the info. I became wiser and more knowledgeable about SW vs. ST thanks to this site. I soon debated my former friend and he would always end up saying some outrageous statement that I could tell was BS.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-10-10 03:58pm

What, pre-SDnet? More like pre-ASVS

Before I came to ASVS, I was kind of under the impression that Imperial warships were so friggin' huge that all Federation ships were about corvette-sized compared to them. Of course, I had only seen very little of TNG at that point.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-10-10 03:59pm

I had no opinion what so ever. I didn't even know there intrest in the subject.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-10-10 06:30pm

I figured a flotilla of Galaxies would be a fair match against an ISD, but I never doubted that the Empire would whoop the Federation.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2004-10-10 06:46pm

I never thought that the Federation had any chance whatsoever against the Empire. Actually, I greatly underestimated them. I'd thought that Earth would be able to put up a better fight now than it would under Federation control (o_O;).

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-10-10 07:05pm

The one time I thought about it - in the mid 80s, I think.. it took me a minute or so to realize that the Feds and the like had nothing comparable to ISDs. But I never though the disparity was so large. With every new detail I have learned since, the gap has widened.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-10 07:11pm

I never thought about it. To my mind, versus scenarios are... redundant, if the forces or individuals exist in separate universes. For instance, while I didn't consider a ST vs SW scenario, I would consider a Earth Alliance versus the Narn Regime (B5), or Captain Sisko on the Defiant versus Captain Picard on the Enterprise. I don't know why, perhaps I just find it more plausible? Not that it really matters. Still, with my method you don't get mismatches like Jedi versus Fencer!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-10 07:14pm

I never gave it any thought.

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