Just for the record...

[wolfsnap]

With regards to the recent locked thread, just to set a few facts straight:

1) I wrote my article for my own amusement, and for the amusement of the readers on my website. I posted it here as a courtesy to you folks, because without you the article would not have been written in the first place. I was curious as to how you would respond, and I had hoped you might find it amusing.

2) I am well aware that my arguments are specious. I never expected any converts - I was just hoping for a laugh. I should know better - I've never been good at comedy.

3) The main reason I won't be sticking around is because I have no business getting involved in a real debate with people who obviously have much more invested in this discussion than I do.

4) The other reason I won't be sticking around is because I prefer forums where the flaming is kept to a minimum, or at least delivered in good humor. This is apparently not that kind of environment.

5) I'm not the artist at Dire Destiny - I'm the writer and producer. The Artist is named Mikolaj Ostapiuk and he lives in Warsaw. He's pretty incredible.

So - I'll just beam out of here now and, yes, I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. My apologies for disturbing you.

[Darth Wong]

As one who never actually noticed or responded directly to the thread you posted until after you left (and this seems to be your second going-away post), it doesn't look like it was intended to be humourous unless it was meant to be a parody of how Trekkie people post. If so, it was done too well.

As for the bit about flaming, you need to take a cue from South Park and not give a shit about swear-words. They're just words. Fuck fuck, fuckity fuck. See?

[Robert Walper]

As for the bit about flaming, you need to take a cue from South Park and not give a shit about swear-words. They're just words. Fuck fuck, fuckity fuck. See?

At the risk of sounding stupid (something apparently common the moment I try to say something ), what's the difference between cussing regularily and using racial slurs regularily? Both are "just words", but if I'm not mistaken you take an extremely dim view to one of them.

Noteably, it's diffcult to excuse racial slurs as anything but indiciations of prejudice and intolerance, but cussing is easily interpreted the same way. While SDN is certainly an exception, I find that in my personal experience (more often then not) the more an individual swears, the lower their intelligence and decency as a person is.

[Darth Wong]

As for the bit about flaming, you need to take a cue from South Park and not give a shit about swear-words. They're just words. Fuck fuck, fuckity fuck. See?

At the risk of sounding stupid (something apparently common the moment I try to say something ), what's the difference between cussing regularily and using racial slurs regularily? Both are "just words", but if I'm not mistaken you take an extremely dim view to one of them.

Robert, I seriously wonder if you're getting dumber by the day. Swear words are harmless because they do not intrinsically mean anything harmful. The point is that it is the idea being communicated, not the style of communication. In the case of a racial slur, the idea is the problem. In the case of an argument, you ALWAYS try to say that the other guy is just flat-out wrong. It is irrelevant how diplomatically you put it.

[Robert Walper]

Robert, I seriously wonder if you're getting dumber by the day. Swear words are harmless because they do not intrinsically mean anything harmful. The point is that it is the idea being communicated, not the style of communication. In the case of a racial slur, the idea is the problem. In the case of an argument, you ALWAYS try to say that the other guy is just flat-out wrong. It is irrelevant how diplomatically you put it.

True enough. I suppose I'm it's matter of how you were raised and interact with people. As I said, in my personal experience, cussing can be interpreted as hostile and cause for concern, as it may suggest the individual in question isn't the best person to deal with.

At any rate, I'll just drop it. It's not a point I seriously contest anyhow.

[Alyeska]

Robert, I seriously wonder if you're getting dumber by the day.

You have a real way with making friends Mike.

[Darth Wong]

Robert, I seriously wonder if you're getting dumber by the day.

You have a real way with making friends Mike.

I prefer smart friends.

[Lord Revan]

Robert, I seriously wonder if you're getting dumber by the day.

You have a real way with making friends Mike.

I prefer smart friends.

Don't we all prefer that or at least those people know to have prefered dum friends had wierd defination of a friend.

[brianeyci]

GILLIAN (ST:IV)
I don't know about you, but my
compassion for someone is not
limited to my estimate of their
intelligence.

Brian

[Darth Wong]

GILLIAN (ST:IV)
I don't know about you, but my
compassion for someone is not
limited to my estimate of their
intelligence.

Brian

Mine is. Why do you think I feel less compassion for a turkey than a person? What kind of sick fuck would not adjust their compassion for living things by intelligence? What criteria do you use to distinguish between us and the animals we eat then?

[Robert Walper]

GILLIAN (ST:IV)
I don't know about you, but my
compassion for someone is not
limited to my estimate of their
intelligence.

Brian

Mine is. Why do you think I feel less compassion for a turkey than a person? What kind of sick fuck would not adjust their compassion for living things by intelligence? What criteria do you use to distinguish between us and the animals we eat then?

And I thought that was species instinct? We are more compassionate towards our own species because we're the same species and more easily identify with them.

But in regards to your stance on compassion, are you seriosuly suggesting you'd feel less compassion for a mother who lost a child compared to another mother in the same situation because one mother is more intelligent than the other? If that's the case, that's....horrible Mike.

[Ghost Rider]

This I don't get.

The thing was too close to too many retarded arguments that when see, it wasn't seen as parody here. Most places yes, but to come onto a board that seriously delves into SW v ST....write something that is in a mocking style of the board's author then go "It wasn't meant to be serious"...after going into some long rant about the board's author misjudging his opponent?

That's just being either stupid or a a coward. One is obvious, because one should at least scope out the place he's posting at, just to get an idea of the people and community, the other is obvious.

Also, less flaming forum. Understandable conciet, but ultimately a point of learning to observe the community, rahter then being presumptious.

The guy was an idiot in a few regards, and I understand Dalton's earlier notion that he was routed a bit early, but now?

His entire statement speaks of someone who had no idea where he was entering and thought we were harming his fragile psyche with our mean words and harsh attitudes.

[Ghost Rider]

GILLIAN (ST:IV)
I don't know about you, but my
compassion for someone is not
limited to my estimate of their
intelligence.

Brian

Mine is. Why do you think I feel less compassion for a turkey than a person? What kind of sick fuck would not adjust their compassion for living things by intelligence? What criteria do you use to distinguish between us and the animals we eat then?

And I thought that was species instinct? We are more compassionate towards our own species because we're the same species and more easily identify with them.

But in regards to your stance on compassion, are you seriosuly suggesting you'd feel less compassion for a mother who lost a child compared to another mother in the same situation because one mother is more intelligent than the other? If that's the case, that's....horrible Mike.

Nice that you twist and move goalposts to insure someone who said

ADJUST BY

Unless your reading is on par with your usual dumbshit notion nothing said there, you don't take by case by case basis...but nope...we must assume that he judges by all intelligence because that's what he demonstrated in the past by referring to certain deaths of people as dumbfucks and others as a tragic passing of a kind and intelligent person

[Robert Walper]

You have a real way with making friends Mike.

I prefer smart friends.

Don't we all prefer that or at least those people know to have prefered dum friends had wierd defination of a friend.

A person doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to be a good person, a good person you'd be willing to call a friend. I have several friends whom I wouldn't term the brightest individuals around. They may not be able to really chat you up on certain concepts a little beyond them, but that doesn't mean you cannot laugh together, share time and fun together. My compassion for someone is not dictated by intelligence, nor is my friendship. Personally, I find that criteria really distasteful. Such criteria suggests you'd care less about a child being mauled by a bear than a edcuated adult.

[Robert Walper]

Nice that you twist and move goalposts to insure someone who said

ADJUST BY

Unless your reading is on par with your usual dumbshit notion nothing said there, you don't take by case by case basis...but nope...we must assume that he judges by all intelligence because that's what he demonstrated in the past by referring to certain deaths of people as dumbfucks and others as a tragic passing of a kind and intelligent person

*sigh* Alright, I misread what he was saying. Sorry.

[Darth Wong]

And you wonder why I keep saying you're a fucking idiot. Here's a hint, fucktard: if you don't want to be called a fucking idiot, try NOT ACTING LIKE ONE instead of whining like a stuck pig.

Put some thought into what you write before you post. Thoroughly read what you're responding to rather than skimming it and firing off a response based on a superficial impression. In short, don't be your usual fucking idiot self.

[Meest]

On the topic of Wolfsnap, is it just me or did he seem like one big shameless self promotion for his site(albeit with broken signature ) ?

1) I wrote my article for my own amusement, and for the amusement of the readers on my website. I posted it here as a courtesy to you folks, because without you the article would not have been written in the first place. I was curious as to how you would respond, and I had hoped you might find it amusing.

I love how it's a courtesy towards the people you are mocking for your own amusement, how altruistic of you.

[Robert Walper]

Put some thought into what you write before you post. Thoroughly read what you're responding to rather than skimming it and firing off a response based on a superficial impression. In short, don't be your usual fucking idiot self.

Point taken. I'll try to keep tabs on myself in that respect. Again, sorry.

[brianeyci]

Mine is. Why do you think I feel less compassion for a turkey than a person? What kind of sick fuck would not adjust their compassion for living things by intelligence? What criteria do you use to distinguish between us and the animals we eat then?

Good point. However, I am more using the quote out of context of the Whale example, and more in terms of human beings. Sure I feel no compassion for an ant, but between human beings I don't feel more or less compassion based on how intelligent they are. I might feel admiration, or pity, but not more or less compassion.

Example : A dumb refugee kid who is starving versus a smart kid who is not.

Brian

[Ghost Rider]

Mine is. Why do you think I feel less compassion for a turkey than a person? What kind of sick fuck would not adjust their compassion for living things by intelligence? What criteria do you use to distinguish between us and the animals we eat then?

Good point. However, I am more using the quote out of context of the Whale example, and more in terms of human beings. Sure I feel no compassion for an ant, but between human beings I don't feel more or less compassion based on how intelligent they are. I might feel admiration, or pity, but not more or less compassion.

Example : A dumb refugee kid who is starving versus a smart kid who is not.

Brian

Apparently you take it to a level that even Robert didn't. He at least only kept it between equals just one of less intelligence then the other

Okay...when he says adjust by, does this fucking mean the dumb deserves no compassion?!

Also...you skew the example so that one is in disfavor of the other...jeez fuck, read his statement and if you find something make an argument...not just throw examples to see if you can grab him by his balls to go "There he faltered!!!!!!"

[brianeyci]

Apparently you take it to a level that even Robert didn't. He at least only kept it between equals just one of less intelligence then the other

My use of the quote was not attempting to argue with non-humans. My idea is out of the context of the quote, but still has the same idea. You don't use how "dumb" someone is to judge their friendship qualities.

Okay...when he says adjust by, does this fucking mean the dumb deserves no compassion?!

No. They deserve more compassion for being "dumb".

Also...you skew the example so that one is in disfavor of the other...jeez fuck, read his statement and if you find something make an argument...not just throw examples to see if you can grab him by his balls to go "There he faltered!!!!!!"

My argument is simple. The guy was obviously wrong, but rather than call him a troll and mock him, show compassion for someone on the wrong path and maybe send a PM, or maybe diplomatically disagree with his points rather than throwing in personal insults. He put a lot of energy into his writing and probably was just overzealous.

Anyway it doesn't matter. DW can be insulting if he wants -- his points were right. Doesn't mean I like his style.

Brian

[Darth Wong]

In other words, the worthless shit-eating fucktard admits he's deliberately distorting the quote "out of context" in order to generate the most pernicious possible interpretation for the purposes of his bullshit vendetta-style personal attacks on me. Not to mention deliberately acting as though a refusal to be polite to an idiot who's posting stupid bullshit on my webboard somehow means I would feel no sympathy for a starving retarded kid.

I'd say you owe me an apology, you little shit. You can, of course, ignore this message and see what happens.

[brianeyci]

It was not an attempt at a "vendetta" style attack. I have not "attacked" you personally before and will not make a habit of it. I just do not like "picking on the noob" even if they deserve it -- just not my style. I am a noob too you know.

Yes DW, I apologize for using the quote out of context. I will keep my personal opinions of your style to myself from now on -- it bears no relevance to debating or arguments.

Brian

[brianeyci]

Also, I apologize DW for alluding that you would not feel compassion for a little kid because you didn't feel compassion for someone who posted an attack against you on your own board.

Just want to make it perfectly clear. Not just that SD.net is a fun place to hang around, but that I realize that I was drawing a comparison between two totally different situations which painted Mike as a cold-hearted bastard. Sorry, I acted like an idiot.

Brian

[aerius]

But in regards to your stance on compassion, are you seriosuly suggesting you'd feel less compassion for a mother who lost a child compared to another mother in the same situation because one mother is more intelligent than the other? If that's the case, that's....horrible Mike.

If one mother lost her child because she stuck him in the drying machine to dry his clothes, then no, I wouldn't feel much if any compassion for her. If another mother had her baby killed because she refused to put her in a child safety seat in the car, I wouldn't feel too sorry for her either. If yet another mother had her child run over by some asshole, I'd have great compassion for her, unless of course she threw her child into the path of the car.

For instance, in Toronto there was a recent case where a mother had her ~7 year old child fall out of an appartment window and die. She knew the window was faulty, she knew it did not lock properly and could be opened wide enough for a child to step through and fall to its death. She knew this for over a fucking year and all she did was complain to her building super that the safety was broken. It literally took one fucking screw and 2 minutes with a screwdriver to fix, and she did jack shit. I didn't feel sorry for her at all.