SW: Terraforming tech?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-26 11:27pm

Sorry if this has been covered before. But does the Republic/Empire/NR have terraforming tech?

We know that Trek has the Genesis device of course (lost tech).

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-27 12:13am

Yes, they do.

For one thing, it was stated that a BDZ was designed to do so much damage (essentially slagging the crust off the face of the planet) that it would be easier to terraform a new world than restore the old one. I think Vision of the Future? Not sure.
That implies terraforming tech.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-27 12:34am

The Genesis Torpedo uses protomatter and creates an unstable planet, hardly something useful for colonization.

Starfleet has dedicated terraforming vessels.

Brian

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-27 06:49am

Praxis wrote:Yes, they do.

For one thing, it was stated that a BDZ was designed to do so much damage (essentially slagging the crust off the face of the planet) that it would be easier to terraform a new world than restore the old one. I think Vision of the Future? Not sure.
That implies terraforming tech.

Well that's a theoretical isn't it? Luke talks about speeding up time and teleporting him off the planet, but that doesn't mean they possess that tech necessarily.

Sorry to nitpick, I just wondered if there was any example of it in the SW material.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-10-27 11:00am

In The Courtship of Princess Leia, there's a passage mentioning that one group of Alderaanian survivors wanted to terraform a planet or moon somewhere in the core, rather than trying to relocate on the Outer Rim. The problem was that a lot of the surivors weren't very rich, and terraforming would be extremely expensive. It was one of the reasons that Senator Threekin Horm tried to maneuver Leia into maryying Prince Isoldar - the wealth.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-10-27 01:32pm

Terraforming tech is also implied in the case of the Noghri(whose planet basically had its biosphere knocked down to the lowest common denominator).
It's implied that they could have fixed the world, it's just that Vader seeded the planet with superaggressive plant seeds, and then set the terraforming robots on ultra-slow to make sure the Noghri would always be in his pocket.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-10-27 02:47pm

The Bothans where gonna be financially crippled rebuilding Cammas IIRC.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-10-27 03:09pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:Terraforming tech is also implied in the case of the Noghri(whose planet basically had its biosphere knocked down to the lowest common denominator).
It's implied that they could have fixed the world, it's just that Vader seeded the planet with superaggressive plant seeds, and then set the terraforming robots on ultra-slow to make sure the Noghri would always be in his pocket.

No, it's actually that the decontamination droids were actually programmed to contaminate the world even more -- so that only specially engineered plants could grow, making the Noghri dependant on the Empire for those plants so they could live.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-10-27 04:10pm

Crayz9000 wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote:Terraforming tech is also implied in the case of the Noghri(whose planet basically had its biosphere knocked down to the lowest common denominator).
It's implied that they could have fixed the world, it's just that Vader seeded the planet with superaggressive plant seeds, and then set the terraforming robots on ultra-slow to make sure the Noghri would always be in his pocket.
No, it's actually that the decontamination droids were actually programmed to contaminate the world even more -- so that only specially engineered plants could grow, making the Noghri dependant on the Empire for those plants so they could live.

The Wars Essential Guide to Planets says that they planted the Khomm grass, which "prevented the rooting of any other plant life," then set the droids to clean the world at a rate so slow that only a minor area is decontaminated.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-29 12:50am

Sounds cool. So I'm guessing their terraforming methods are similar to that of Dune? (except using intelligent droids to help)

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-10-30 05:59pm

Kurgan wrote:Sounds cool. So I'm guessing their terraforming methods are similar to that of Dune? (except using intelligent droids to help)

It ain't that great. The Khomm grass basically drives out any other plant life in the area; it's not like in Dune where they can plant other plants in the grass-anchored dunes.

taccovert4 · Post by **taccovert4** » 2004-11-03 05:01pm

Lord Pounder wrote:The Bothans where gonna be financially crippled rebuilding Cammas IIRC.

Right, (vision of the Future) Borsk Felya told ___(think it was leia, just can't remember off the top of my head) that his world had lost a lot of money in some shady business dealings and that terraforming would ruin their economy. This came as a response to the rhetoric in the Senate that the Bothans should be forced to help finance the terraforming of a Caamas II since their agents had been "extremely helpful" to the forces that ravaged the Ist planet. The rhetoric also included the fact that planets had been terraformed at least twice during the Old Republic.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-03 05:54pm

Kurgan wrote:Sounds cool. So I'm guessing their terraforming methods are similar to that of Dune? (except using intelligent droids to help)

No. And where did you get that idea?

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-11-03 07:24pm

taccovert4 wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:The Bothans where gonna be financially crippled rebuilding Cammas IIRC.
Right, (vision of the Future) Borsk Felya told ___(think it was leia, just can't remember off the top of my head) that his world had lost a lot of money in some shady business dealings and that terraforming would ruin their economy. This came as a response to the rhetoric in the Senate that the Bothans should be forced to help finance the terraforming of a Caamas II since their agents had been "extremely helpful" to the forces that ravaged the Ist planet. The rhetoric also included the fact that planets had been terraformed at least twice during the Old Republic.

Actually wthat they were speaking about was more then simple terraforming. The wanted to replicate the orignal homeworld so the new world was identical to the old.

taccovert4 · Post by **taccovert4** » 2004-11-05 08:52am

Thanks for the Correction Gustav, I didn't have my copies of Specter and Vision with me.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-11-05 09:38am

Lord Pounder wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Sounds cool. So I'm guessing their terraforming methods are similar to that of Dune? (except using intelligent droids to help)
No. And where did you get that idea?

The descriptions people posted. Ie: slowly doing it 'by hand' over a long period of time, rather than some magic torpedo or gigantic machines or something. Please elaborate on the differences if you'd like (other than the use of droids which I already know).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-05 03:57pm

Kurgan wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Sounds cool. So I'm guessing their terraforming methods are similar to that of Dune? (except using intelligent droids to help)
No. And where did you get that idea?
The descriptions people posted. Ie: slowly doing it 'by hand' over a long period of time, rather than some magic torpedo or gigantic machines or something. Please elaborate on the differences if you'd like (other than the use of droids which I already know).

STOP READING THE FUCKING PREQUALS MUPPET!

The duniverse has perfected weather satelites and can through brute force make a planet into any condition desired.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-11-08 01:49pm

Lord Pounder wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote: No. And where did you get that idea?
The descriptions people posted. Ie: slowly doing it 'by hand' over a long period of time, rather than some magic torpedo or gigantic machines or something. Please elaborate on the differences if you'd like (other than the use of droids which I already know).
STOP READING THE FUCKING PREQUALS MUPPET!

The duniverse has perfected weather satelites and can through brute force make a planet into any condition desired.

Ironically, wasn't it in the Prequels that the use of "brute force" via weather satellites was mentioned? And when it was mentioned, it was only used to change existing weather; i.e. you couldn't take an ice planet and miraculously turn it into a desert world.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-11-08 08:33pm

A question that goes little of topic: I have read from a SW system info page that there is a planet or perhaps moon called New Alderaan where the majority of Alderaanians moved to?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-08 09:17pm

Dark Primus wrote:A question that goes little of topic: I have read from a SW system info page that there is a planet or perhaps moon called New Alderaan where the majority of Alderaanians moved to?

New Alderaan

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-11-09 06:27pm

It was done at least 5 times in the Old Republic I think. But the cost to terraform is GHASTLY. It doesn't say how it's being terraformed, etc. Just from the the amount Fey'la said to find a suitable planet would bankrupt the Bothan people, I'm assuming it's not like the Gensis torpedo, but you have to find a planet with already suitable conditions. And we have no information on how they actually did the terraforming. Probably with lots of big construction bots, etc.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-11-10 12:09am

Lord Pounder wrote: STOP READING THE FUCKING PREQUALS MUPPET!

The duniverse has perfected weather satelites and can through brute force make a planet into any condition desired.

What the hell... I haven't read the prequels, or the encyclopedia (only skimmed a couple of pages of it once), I'm only partway into book 5, but it's been years since I read the originals.

My statements were based on what I recalled from the first few books, so forgive me if I missed something. The least you could do is show us where that was.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-10 04:10pm

Ok my appologies, i am senstive to the collective fuck up's i mean work of pinky and the brian.

IIRC Dune had to be terraformed slowly but surely so the worms wouldn't die so quickly and end all spice production. Weather satelites are mentioned in ther 1st Dune books for, but i'm sure Comrade Hipper can verify that.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-11-11 10:16am

Lord Pounder wrote:Ok my appologies, i am senstive to the collective fuck up's i mean work of pinky and the brian.

IIRC Dune had to be terraformed slowly but surely so the worms wouldn't die so quickly and end all spice production. Weather satelites are mentioned in ther 1st Dune books for, but i'm sure Comrade Hipper can verify that.

HA! Anyway, I wouldn't know, since the only thing I know about the prequels is what I've heard from people on the 'net. ; )

Yeah, a quote or two would be nice, since it would take awhile to re-read the first three books. Does it actually say the weather satellites can terraform a planet? That's what I'm looking for.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-13 07:09pm

Point conceded,i cjeckedover my original Dune Books and it turn out i was mistaken, i mixed up weather satelites for forcasting and weather satelites for forcing weather.