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Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2004-10-28 02:38pm

Supposing the Galactic Empire annexed the Alpha Quadrant, and the Rebel Alliance became active there too, would there be any major or recurring character from any of the Trek series that would not side with the Rebellion or resist the Empire in another way (assuming they all survived the campaign of Imperial conquest) and either try to live a normal life, avoiding the InterGalactic Civil War, or maybe even actively collaborate with the Empire?

I really can't think of any. Except Morn maybe. He doesn't seem to care who runs DS9 as long as someone's serving drinks at Quark's.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-28 04:17pm

The Ferengi. They'll work for whoever offers them most. They usually sell weapons to both sides of armies.

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2004-10-28 04:55pm

Yeah, but I mean specific main characters, not generic groups. Which Ferengi? Nog is very nationalist pro-Federation, and Quark and Rom sided with the resistance during the Dominion occupation. Would they not have during an Imperial occupation?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-28 05:01pm

Lord Sander wrote:Yeah, but I mean specific main characters, not generic groups. Which Ferengi? Nog is very nationalist pro-Federation, and Quark and Rom sided with the resistance during the Dominion occupation. Would they not have during an Imperial occupation?

Only because the Cardassians were snotty customers and were gonna kill his brother, and the Dominion soldiers didn't buy anything at the bar.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-28 05:02pm

Don't forget Quark's cousin, you know, the one who was gonna sell bioweapons to kill 24 million people to BOTH sides of a war?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-29 03:09am

Admiral Cartwright. We all know that he was eventually pardoned. No way a Feddie prisoner would be sentenced to death when he could be so useful to Section 31.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-29 04:12am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Admiral Cartwright. We all know that he was eventually pardoned. No way a Feddie prisoner would be sentenced to death when he could be so useful to Section 31.

Are you kidding about that? He tried to kill the Federation president and start a civil war! Maybe they are referencing a different Admiral Cartwright...

Brian

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-29 04:32am

I'm saying that if Admiral Cartwright isn't executed by Picard's time, or even just the time of Feddie Pussification, he's off the hook.

First of all, almost all SF admirals are evil, so he'll have a pretty good time in front of a jury of his peers.

Second, he's black, and in Picard's time if they found out that 100% of their incarcerated admirals (he's the only one so far) is black, they will decide that it is due to racism or corruption and evolve past that petty imperfection...by releasing him.

Heck, that UFP president was played by Clarence Bodaker. He probably would pardon Cartwright just so he could kick his ass old-school.

...You do realise that I'm not being serious at all, right?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-29 04:34am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:...You do realise that I'm not being serious at all, right?

Sigh time for me to sleep.

Brian

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-10-29 01:01pm

Someone who's a bit more of a hardcore trekker will need to elaborate on this for me, but doesn't the TNG take place about a century (or more) later than the the original series? It was at least impied in Generations (shudder) that Kirk had died well before Picard was born. I can't remember if the line implied that Kirk was saving the Galaxy when Picard was a kid, or if he was saying he was already dead, when Picard was a kid. Either way, it's a good bet that if the Empire is comming to whompass in current timeline, the good Admiral id dead.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-29 02:36pm

McCoy was far older than admiral cartwright and he lived to see the E-D launch. He was in Encounter at Farpoint. In ST, extreme longevity seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

Besides, we've seen transporters cure aging many, many times. Scruples may keep people like Picard from abusing this technology, but I doubt Cartwright would have the same problem.

His main difficulty might be that he'll be institutionalized from spending a decade in Starfleet custody. "I can't quote a word of Shakespeare without permission."

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-29 04:44pm

UCBooties wrote:Someone who's a bit more of a hardcore trekker will need to elaborate on this for me, but doesn't the TNG take place about a century (or more) later than the the original series? It was at least impied in Generations (shudder) that Kirk had died well before Picard was born. I can't remember if the line implied that Kirk was saving the Galaxy when Picard was a kid, or if he was saying he was already dead, when Picard was a kid. Either way, it's a good bet that if the Empire is comming to whompass in current timeline, the good Admiral id dead.

70 years after Kirk's 'death' to be exact.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-30 02:00am

UCBooties wrote:Someone who's a bit more of a hardcore trekker will need to elaborate on this for me, but doesn't the TNG take place about a century (or more) later than the the original series? It was at least impied in Generations (shudder) that Kirk had died well before Picard was born. I can't remember if the line implied that Kirk was saving the Galaxy when Picard was a kid, or if he was saying he was already dead, when Picard was a kid. Either way, it's a good bet that if the Empire is comming to whompass in current timeline, the good Admiral id dead.

Kirk "dies" in 2293. TNG begins in 2365.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-10-30 03:02am

Thank you for the clarification

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-10-30 01:09pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:McCoy was far older than admiral cartwright and he lived to see the E-D launch. He was in Encounter at Farpoint. In ST, extreme longevity seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

McCoy was rendered near-immortal by the Guardian.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-10-30 02:25pm

SirNitram wrote:McCoy was rendered near-immortal by the Guardian.

Never heard that before, what episode did that happen in?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-10-30 02:29pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
SirNitram wrote:McCoy was rendered near-immortal by the Guardian.
Never heard that before, what episode did that happen in?

City On The Edge Of Forever, as I recall it. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time; not seen the episode in for-fucking-ever.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-10-30 03:02pm

SirNitram wrote:City On The Edge Of Forever, as I recall it. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time; not seen the episode in for-fucking-ever.

I remember the episode, but I can't remember anything about McCkoy being made near-immortal. Then again it has been a few years since I saw the episode last, I might not just remember the scene in question.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-10-30 08:09pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
SirNitram wrote:City On The Edge Of Forever, as I recall it. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time; not seen the episode in for-fucking-ever.
I remember the episode, but I can't remember anything about McCkoy being made near-immortal. Then again it has been a few years since I saw the episode last, I might not just remember the scene in question.

Near-immortal, maybe, but not in good health; in some of the ST books written by Shatner(in particular, his books where there is an alternative ST universe where the Federation is an Empire), McCoy is alive but has gone through several replacement body parts, such as his 5th replacement hip.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2004-11-01 01:39am

I think McCoy was just extremely old at the time of the E-D's launch...I saw the Episode "On the Edge of Forever" a few weeks ago on Sci-Fi...I do not remember anything in the show stating that McCoy was granted any prenatural lifespan by the Guardian.

As for major character who'd show up should the Empire happen to Annex Federation Space (I still beleive, based on what I've seen in the TV Episodes and Movies that they would be a decent match technology wise; their technology is just far to different from each other, but that is a topic for another thread) Would be:

Picard
-A man who knows when it's best to run; realiezes it's best to live to fight another day. With his decades of experience as Captain (First of the Stargazer then the E-D, then the E-E) he'd be one of thier most experienced, and would more than likely chose to side with the Rebellion.

Data
-Would follow Picard, he would be the equivilant of a SW Protocol Droid and a Combat Droid.

O'Brien
-He'd jerry rig some final bigtime explosion or surprise for the Empire on DS9, and escape to join up with his old Enterprise crewmates. He may bring some of the DS9 Senior Staff.

Troi
-Would be seduced by the potential that the Emperor and Vader represent with the Force.

mmmm
not sure who else would goto the either side...

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-11-02 01:11pm

brianeyci wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Admiral Cartwright. We all know that he was eventually pardoned. No way a Feddie prisoner would be sentenced to death when he could be so useful to Section 31.
Are you kidding about that? He tried to kill the Federation president and start a civil war! Maybe they are referencing a different Admiral Cartwright...

Brian

Wasn't O'Brien told that Section 31 "didn't exist" (officially)?

So the Federation Government might know about them (at least the highest level officials should know about them), but they could always fake his death or "accidentally" let him escape to be snatched up by Section 31.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-11-02 01:13pm

Lwaxana Troi might dig the emperor. He's old, wealthy, powerful, telepathic, and naughty. ...Their wedding would be pretty hard to watch, though.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-02 08:16pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Lwaxana Troi might dig the emperor. He's old, wealthy, powerful, telepathic, and naughty. ...Their wedding would be pretty hard to watch, though.

ROFL

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-11-08 01:50pm

Praxis wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Lwaxana Troi might dig the emperor. He's old, wealthy, powerful, telepathic, and naughty. ...Their wedding would be pretty hard to watch, though.
ROFL

I can't imagine her fullfilling her sexual needs with him, though.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-11-08 02:55pm

That might be one of Vader's many, many chores for the Emperor.