How would SW shields deal with phaser fire?

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-11-25 06:51pm

From the looks of it it looks as if the shields may not be able to deal with phaser fire. This problem is even more complicated by the fact we have nothing to look at for examples. If phaser fire is a stream of nadions, then the SW sheilds must not be able to compensate for it. I realy don't know what would happen but If all of you have any explanation I'll accept it.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-11-25 07:30pm

Your kidding, right?
1. Evidence that phasers are nadion streams, and
2. evidence that Wars shields are unable to cope with it.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-11-25 07:36pm

Batman wrote:Your kidding, right?
1. Evidence that phasers are nadion streams, and
2. evidence that Wars shields are unable to cope with it.

It may be wrong, and I hope it's wrong but I don't realy know. BTW I am kidding about SW shields being beaten by ST phasers. I want your opinion, not criticism.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-11-25 07:42pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:It may be wrong, and I hope it's wrong but I don't realy know. BTW I am kidding about SW shields being beaten by ST phasers. I want your opinion, not criticism.

What are you smoking Bean, crack?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-11-25 07:45pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:
Batman wrote:Your kidding, right?
1. Evidence that phasers are nadion streams, and
2. evidence that Wars shields are unable to cope with it.
It may be wrong, and I hope it's wrong but I don't realy know. BTW I am kidding about SW shields being beaten by ST phasers. I want your opinion, not criticism.

TD, how can I give my opinion on something you refuse to tell me? IF you assume phasers can defeat Wars shielding, or if you think there are people who do so, we need to know WHY you/they think so. Which so far you've failed to do.
How am I supposed to argue that Wars shields can withstand Trek phasers when you won't tell me why you/they think they can't?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-25 08:34pm

This is stupid. An ordinary piece of metal can resist phaser fire; it's obviously not magical.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-11-25 09:50pm

Phasers are particle beams, yes? Ludicriously low-speed ones, at that. So since the magic phaser particle(tm) will be deflected by the shields, how can they do anything to the hull beneath?

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2004-11-25 11:18pm

Yeah, debating two things we know next to nothing about, the nature of shields (SW or ST) and the nature of phasers, is going to yield some fundamental new insight into the VS debate...

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-25 11:35pm

SCVN 2812 wrote:Yeah, debating two things we know next to nothing about, the nature of shields (SW or ST) and the nature of phasers, is going to yield some fundamental new insight into the VS debate...

Well we actually know quite a few things about them. Look on the main site under technolgy and read up and the nature of SW shields. Then, you can go to the phaser portion. It is really insitetful.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-11-25 11:39pm

The real question, to me at least, is why are phasers effective against Trek shields? Their main damage-causing ability comes from NDF effects. But against energy shields, there should be nothing to NDF away. So a shield that can withstand photon torpedoes shouldn't have much trouble at all handling a phaser blast that is only comparable in damage because of NDF.

Some suggest that Trek shields may be particle-based, which can explain why they can be knocked down in percentages and can be slow to recharge.

If this is the case, then we'd expect massless energy shields, such as the force fields used by SW, to resist phasers even more due to lack of NDF interaction.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-11-26 01:05am

Mad, I think that issue can be put in the ST writers 'frequency' bag. ST shields have alot of trouble with certain particles, frequencies, etc, and it seems that otherwise non-threatening phenomena can destabilise their shielding systems without threatening the ship, like in STII.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-26 01:27am

Mad wrote:Some suggest that Trek shields may be particle-based

How do the Wars shields work? I've been trying to understand how energy can exist outside a medium, but so far no good. Wouldn't any energy shield be "particle-based" because energy doesn't exist outside by itself as "pure-energy"? Even photons are particles, are they not?

Brian

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-11-26 06:48am

brianeyci wrote:
Mad wrote:Some suggest that Trek shields may be particle-based
How do the Wars shields work? I've been trying to understand how energy can exist outside a medium, but so far no good. Wouldn't any energy shield be "particle-based" because energy doesn't exist outside by itself as "pure-energy"? Even photons are particles, are they not?

Brian

Actualy Star Wars ship shields utilize both particle and ray shieldings as two different components.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-11-26 01:47pm

brianeyci:
I was talking about the field effect of SW shields. Think of a magnet repulsing another magnet: where's the particles? Similarly, SW shielding can act as a force field and not simply a barrier the way Trek shields act.

For some reason, I don't think NDF affects massless particles like photons, either.

The Shadow:
AFAIK, the "particle" and "ray" designations for shield types don't refer to the make-up of the shields, but instead what they can block. Particle shielding, for example, only blocks incoming particle attacks but ignores "energy" attacks. If particle shielding actually was made up of particles, then why would the "energy" attacks get through? Such attacks don't ignore armor. Further, some "energy" attacks, like ion cannons, appear to be particle-based.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-11-26 02:45pm

For the record, I wrote this under the influence of cough syrup. THAT might explain my bizzare ramblings to all of you.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-11-26 04:02pm

Jon wrote:
Trekdestroyer wrote:It may be wrong, and I hope it's wrong but I don't realy know. BTW I am kidding about SW shields being beaten by ST phasers. I want your opinion, not criticism.
What are you smoking Bean, crack?

Bean? Excuse me?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-26 04:54pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:For the record, I wrote this under the influence of cough syrup. THAT might explain my bizzare ramblings to all of you.

Whats your excuse the rest of the time asshole?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-11-27 12:10am

Trekdestroyer wrote:For the record, I wrote this under the influence of cough syrup. THAT might explain my bizzare ramblings to all of you.

Wow look, a posturing poser.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-11-27 12:19am

Trekdestroyer wrote:For the record, I wrote this under the influence of cough syrup. THAT might explain my bizzare ramblings to all of you.

Next time, I suggest swallowing an entire bottle of Tylenol before you post, it'll help clear your head.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-11-27 03:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:This is stupid. An ordinary piece of metal can resist phaser fire; it's obviously not magical.

Phasers are still in use so they obviously can cause some damage, they just may not be able to punch through SW shields. I never said they were magical, you put words in my mouth.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-27 03:45pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This is stupid. An ordinary piece of metal can resist phaser fire; it's obviously not magical.
Phasers are still in use so they obviously can cause some damage, they just may not be able to punch through SW shields. I never said they were magical, you put words in my mouth.

there's plenty of evidence that phasers wouldn't be able to harm sw shielding at all. the fact that they have trouble vaporizing asteroids while turbolasers casually blast them to pieces, and imperial shielding having capabilities to withstand same turbolasers is clearly a point in favor of wars. if trek weaponry has trouble blasting apart wars weaponry can destroy with ease, what makes you think it would stand any chance against shielding that is designed to withstand the same weaponry they're using to blow apart the asteroids?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-27 03:47pm

edit: argh. should be "trouble blasting apart asteroids wars weaponry can handle with ease".

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-11-27 06:27pm

The only damage phasers would cause will be a spilled coffee, when the captain of the SW ship was unable to hold his cup any longer because he laughed too much about these pathetic weapons trying to scratch the shields of his ship.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-27 06:41pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This is stupid. An ordinary piece of metal can resist phaser fire; it's obviously not magical.
Phasers are still in use so they obviously can cause some damage, they just may not be able to punch through SW shields. I never said they were magical, you put words in my mouth.

No dipshit...you said the MUST not be able to compensate for a stream of nadions wherein you never clarified of this assumption.

But hey dumbfuck you were high off cold medicine as your excuse

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-29 07:44am

What the fuck kind of cold medicine do you have to take to reach such a level of intoxication?

And Pounder's right: That doesn't exuse all the rest of the time you're a Grade-A dumbfuck.

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