Voyager "Scorpion" force-subs: Ssi-Ruuvi instead o

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-26 10:25am

Just re-read Truce at Bakura during my recent business trip, and suddenly I wondered: what would happen if Ssi-Ruuvi invaded Borg space instead of Species 8472?

Would the Borg get more fucked by the invasion? Would the drones make better power source than humans? And the ultimate question is: eventually, are we going to see assimilated Ssi-Ruuvi or entenched Borgs?

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-11-26 10:54am

The Borg are enteched, and terminated.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-26 11:07am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:The Borg are enteched, and terminated.

Will the Dronecell/Eborgizer make better batteries than humans?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-26 11:07am

Entrenched? I never read the "Truce at Bakura", I was advised by a friend that it was shit. What is it about? Who are the Ssi-ruvi?

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-26 11:38am

Stofsk wrote:Entrenched? I never read the "Truce at Bakura", I was advised by a friend that it was shit. What is it about? Who are the Ssi-ruvi?

SPOILER:

Ssi-Ruuvi are some lizard-like race which never man their fightercrafts with living pilot, because due to their religious belief, if they die away from their home planet, their soul "will not be saved". Thus, they use the "Force essence" of their deceased people to power and pilot their droidfighters. Unfortunately, their own live-force energy never last long, so they roam the galaxy, searching for (and kidnapping) the best race whose live-force stay the longest. Unfortunately, that happened to be us humans.

Yes, the story depict The Force in a very cheesy way (as if one's Force could be drained and stored in capacitors; removing much of mystical impression we got from the movies). Still, and interesting one.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-26 11:49am

Yes, the story depict The Force in a very cheesy way (as if one's Force could be drained and stored in capacitors; removing much of mystical impression we got from the movies). Still, and interesting one.

That did sound Cheesy when i read the book...but compared to Mediclorines it it sounds almost mystical.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-26 12:50pm

Aquatain wrote:
Yes, the story depict The Force in a very cheesy way (as if one's Force could be drained and stored in capacitors; removing much of mystical impression we got from the movies). Still, and interesting one.
That did sound Cheesy when i read the book...but compared to Mediclorines it it sounds almost mystical.

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Funny, once I thought Ewoks are cheesy too.... of course it was *before* I saw Jar-Jar Binks.
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The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2004-11-26 05:44pm

Even though I didn't really enjoy TaB (I thought the Ssi-Ruuk belonged in Star Trek, not Star Wars), I found their role in the NJO, FH II: Refugee to be enjoyable, now that it seems the P'w'eck have revolted, we may see a change in their society, especially since they are now allied with the rest of the Galactic Alliance.

As to the Ssi-Ruuk vs The Borg, the Borg would be cut down in roves.

I wonder what the Borg Queen would actually think of Entechment? It's really just like becoming a part of a collective, maybe she wouldn't even be that adverse to the idea.....

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-26 06:03pm

Doesn't the Imperium use ion cannons more than TLs? *ponders ion cannons hitting Borg Subes*

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-26 06:17pm

The Original Nex wrote:Even though I didn't really enjoy TaB (I thought the Ssi-Ruuk belonged in Star Trek, not Star Wars), I found their role in the NJO, FH II: Refugee to be enjoyable, now that it seems the P'w'eck have revolted, we may see a change in their society, especially since they are now allied with the rest of the Galactic Alliance.

As to the Ssi-Ruuk vs The Borg, the Borg would be cut down in roves.

I wonder what the Borg Queen would actually think of Entechment? It's really just like becoming a part of a collective, maybe she wouldn't even be that adverse to the idea.....

I imagine she'd blow her load over the idea of being able to put the drones consiousness in a machine, perhaps the borg could even come up with a method to prolong the essence of drone. Remember in First Contact the Queen called Data culmination of what the Borg where trying to achieve.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-26 06:26pm

Wong made the remark (serious or not) on his site about the Imperium merely killing all drone at once by stealing one's life essence since they are all connected.

Here.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-11-26 06:26pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Remember in First Contact the Queen called Data culmination of what the Borg where trying to achieve.

And in BoBW, Locutus said that Data was primative and would be useless when the borg took over. Damn you, B&B.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-26 06:32pm

Bah, I hated that book.

Anyway, the Ssi-ruuvi would lose for two reasons.
1) They have a small number of capships. Even if they killed Borg Cubes 100 to 1, they'd be overwhelmed eventually. Now, 1000 to 1 they might be able tos top the Borg...
2) They're like Species 8472, kill a few and they all run in fear. They believe that if they die away from the homeworld they don't go to the afterlife, so they won't risk their lives...

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2004-11-26 07:28pm

Praxis wrote:Bah, I hated that book.

Anyway, the Ssi-ruuvi would lose for two reasons.
1) They have a small number of capships. Even if they killed Borg Cubes 100 to 1, they'd be overwhelmed eventually. Now, 1000 to 1 they might be able tos top the Borg...
2) They're like Species 8472, kill a few and they all run in fear. They believe that if they die away from the homeworld they don't go to the afterlife, so they won't risk their lives...

That's exempting Wong's assesment: you entech one, you entech them all....

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-26 08:15pm

The Original Nex wrote:
Praxis wrote:Bah, I hated that book.

Anyway, the Ssi-ruuvi would lose for two reasons.
1) They have a small number of capships. Even if they killed Borg Cubes 100 to 1, they'd be overwhelmed eventually. Now, 1000 to 1 they might be able tos top the Borg...
2) They're like Species 8472, kill a few and they all run in fear. They believe that if they die away from the homeworld they don't go to the afterlife, so they won't risk their lives...
That's exempting Wong's assesment: you entech one, you entech them all....

They're connected like a LAN, but not physically. You can't draw the life force of a person through mechanical implants.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-11-26 08:48pm

The Borg collective is inter-connected in a manner that transcends mere data transmission. As we saw when Commander Chakotay was healed by being joined with a small Borg mini-collective, the Borg actually share life energy through their collective network.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... cial2.html

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-11-26 10:46pm

Trogdor wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Remember in First Contact the Queen called Data culmination of what the Borg where trying to achieve.
And in BoBW, Locutus said that Data was primative and would be useless when the borg took over. Damn you, B&B.

At what point did the Queen say or suggest Data was a goal of existence they strive for?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-27 07:43am

I'm sure i remember the Queen saying that to Data when she'scaptured him, just before she offerers to give him organic skin. I searched google for the script but couldn't find it.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2004-11-27 10:10am

Robert Walper wrote: At what point did the Queen say or suggest Data was a goal of existence they strive for?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Queen said they once thought like him, before seeing a better way.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-27 03:58pm

From First Contact movie script:

First Contact movie script wrote: BORG QUEEN: It's unfortunate we will have to destroy you to obtain the information we need. You are a...unique lifeform.(beat) Synthetic... and yet far more than a simple automaton. You have no idea how close to perfection you are.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-11-29 11:09am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:From First Contact movie script:

First Contact movie script wrote: BORG QUEEN: It's unfortunate we will have to destroy you to obtain the information we need. You are a...unique lifeform.(beat) Synthetic... and yet far more than a simple automaton. You have no idea how close to perfection you are.

Sorry, I got the actual DVD and the Queen says nothing to that effect. In fact, one her first lines to Data is:

First contact wrote: Data: I am unlike any lifeform you have ever encountered. The codes stored in my neural net cannot be forcibly removed.
Borg Queen: You are an imperfect being created by an imperfect being. Finding your weakness is only a matter of time.

That's the only quote that I found that's relevent to Data status quo as a lifeform. Hardly any type of compliment.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-11-29 12:33pm

I would consider the canonicity of a script tenuous, to say nothing of a first draft script!

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-12-03 10:00am

DaveJB wrote:I would consider the canonicity of a script tenuous, to say nothing of a first draft script!

The script in which the feds annihilate a Borg fleet?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-03 01:13pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
DaveJB wrote:I would consider the canonicity of a script tenuous, to say nothing of a first draft script!
The script in which the feds annihilate a Borg fleet?

Damn, and people think the Borg sucked by sending only one cube at the Federation? Imagine how disgusting it would've been had the Federation defeated a fleet of Borg vessels.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-12-03 05:51pm

Robert Walper wrote:
Luzifer's right hand wrote:
DaveJB wrote:I would consider the canonicity of a script tenuous, to say nothing of a first draft script!
The script in which the feds annihilate a Borg fleet?
Damn, and people think the Borg sucked by sending only one cube at the Federation? Imagine how disgusting it would've been had the Federation defeated a fleet of Borg vessels.

The Borg would have been competent.

They'd be exposed for the weaklings they are, but they'd at least have a single iota of strategic sense, as opposed to being rejects from Day of the Dead.