Who CAN the Federation Ground Troops beat?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-04 03:50pm

Do they ever win?

Just a question we all know The Enterprise will come along with Super Data the droid that can hit any target if he stands in plain sight for a minute or two

But thats besides the point has the Ground Troops ever won?

Just curious I watched maybe all told 50 Epsoides of ST, Next Gen, Voyager and DS9
And I don't feel like digging through Mr Wongs Data-base of Epsoides

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-04 03:50pm

They could beat Movie MI maybe...

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-07-04 03:51pm

I bet they could beat those guys from Quest for Fire.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-04 03:56pm

Never seen those...

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-07-04 04:00pm

Well, it's a movie about cavemen that go on a quest for fire because their tribe's fire was accidentally extinguished. It's pretty good, even if Starfleet "troops" could kick the characters' asses (they're cavemen).

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-04 04:16pm

Most armies from a few hundread years ago...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-04 04:50pm

Yes, but I wouldn't pit them against decent bowmen or knights.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-04 04:53pm

Howedar wrote:Yes, but I wouldn't pit them against decent bowmen or knights.

They're not THAT bad.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-07-04 04:55pm

There's a good one...how would a Starfleet ground force fare against the forces of someone like William the Conqueror?
Transporters work fine (unless northern France has that damned ore in the hills), but they definitely don't want to use them to get closer to the combat...their best bet is to stay at a distance, where their phasers are useful...then all they have to worry about is archers, who would do some damage.
I actually wouldn't be surprised either way in this battle.

Howabout a SF ground force vs. Napoleon's army? hehe...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-04 05:05pm

Robert Treder wrote:There's a good one...how would a Starfleet ground force fare against the forces of someone like William the Conqueror?
Transporters work fine (unless northern France has that damned ore in the hills), but they definitely don't want to use them to get closer to the combat...their best bet is to stay at a distance, where their phasers are useful...then all they have to worry about is archers, who would do some damage.
I actually wouldn't be surprised either way in this battle.

Starfleet ground forces don't seem to operate in formation, so a rain of arrows wouldn't have the same effect as one a contemporary army. The Federation would probably win.

Howabout a SF ground force vs. Napoleon's army? hehe...

A similar idea is being discussed in an ASVS thread. The consensus is that the Federation would have the advantage in rate of fire and firepower in the small arms category, but Napoleonic Artillery and Cavalry would be too much for them.

Pathetic, isn't it?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-07-04 05:06pm

Pathetic, isn't it?

Quite.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-04 05:09pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Howedar wrote:Yes, but I wouldn't pit them against decent bowmen or knights.
They're not THAT bad.

Considering the phaser's known propensity for failing to penetrate armor, I think armored knights should do adequately (especially since their just Klingons with the batleths replaced with swords).
That, and the typical English longbowman could hit men at 200 yards, firing 12 to 15 arrows per minute.
http://www.archers.org/longbow.htm

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-04 05:14pm

Howedar wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Howedar wrote:Yes, but I wouldn't pit them against decent bowmen or knights.
They're not THAT bad.
Considering the phaser's known propensity for failing to penetrate armor, I think armored knights should do adequately (especially since their just Klingons with the batleths replaced with swords).
That, and the typical English longbowman could hit men at 200 yards, firing 12 to 15 arrows per minute.
http://www.archers.org/longbow.htm

I think that phaser would penetrate knight armour. Though it might not...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-07-04 06:57pm

The Gungans.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-04 07:09pm

Right, the Gungans with their large theatre shields and handheld personal shields plus thos exploding ball...thingies... VS. a bunch of hippies with fancy TF remotes. Sure, the Feddies will win

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-04 07:59pm

Well a Brit army of 1810 has been seen to take them out if you believe ASVS.

Other than that, these guys are pathetic. I fear that one day Star Trek episodes may be used as historical documents by an alien race to see just how lame we are and then try and invade. Once they find we can actually utilise our brains in combat they may give up and nuke us (unless we have a Macintosh and virus handy).

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-05 12:31am

The Feds will never beat anyone as kong as they keep on wearing those red shirts.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-05 01:46am

Shoot send the Ewoks after em the Feddies might could beat them ...maybe not one hundred Troopers and a couple of ATSTs couldnt.....

FireNexus · Post by **FireNexus** » 2002-07-05 03:12am

The Feds will never beat anyone as kong as they keep on wearing those red shirts.

If that was true, the British would never have conquered an empire...

BrianDavion · Post by **BrianDavion** » 2002-07-05 03:23am

the differance is the British where fighting with a HUGE technological edge. also the red shirts made a level of SENSE for the brits. back in the age of muskets large formations of troops fireing muskets kicked up so much smoke it was difficult to SEE. thus they needed brightinly coloured uniforms, ALL major powers of that era had it. the brits had red, the french had blue etc

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-05 03:35am

Running thru the forest in a bright red uniform is idiotic, and as such, fits perfectly into Starfleet's philosophy of:
-conception of ground armies (none at all)
-moral ideology (communist anyone?)
-ship design (exploding warp cores, 'we consider our families strenghts, not weaknesses' -Riker)
-small arms design

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-05 09:29am

Cpt_Frank wrote:Running thru the forest in a bright red uniform is idiotic, and as such, fits perfectly into Starfleet's philosophy of:
-conception of ground armies (none at all)
-moral ideology (communist anyone?)
-ship design (exploding warp cores, 'we consider our families strenghts, not weaknesses' -Riker)
-small arms design

Argh don't!

You just put an image of a future Brit empire based on the UFP!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 09:32am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Running thru the forest in a bright red uniform is idiotic, and as such, fits perfectly into Starfleet's philosophy of:
-conception of ground armies (none at all)
-moral ideology (communist anyone?)
-ship design (exploding warp cores, 'we consider our families strenghts, not weaknesses' -Riker)
-small arms design
Argh don't!

You just put an image of a future Brit empire based on the UFP!

Nah, it'll be the Empire. Accents you know

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 11:13am

I think they could be an old army. Phasers SHOULD outrange muskats and cannons. Plus the whole lightning striking and making men disappear.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-05 11:35am

No one mentioned the Teletubbies yet?

I mean look, they have the bright uniform, the mental attacks and an undying appetite to annoy any living creature.

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Who CAN the Federation Ground Troops beat?

Who CAN the Federation Ground Troops beat?

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