what could save the AQ from a portion of the empire

[mr friendly guy]

Inspired by the "boosted" ST vs empire thread

Scenario. Due to a plot device The DS II and the imperial fleet at Endor gets transported into the ST universe, before the Battle of Endor. Palpatine decides to conquer it one quandrant at a time started with the AQ.

Few months later the AQ powers are on the run fighting a guerilla campaign. Lets just say 50 % of their respective fleets have been lost in the prior battles.

Now due to an act of plot, <insert character here> from another sci fi universe gets pulled into the ST universe, and decides to help the AQ powers because the Empire is bad, mkay

Rules

1) this character gets his standard ship and crew, and not a fleet of ships from his own sci fi universe

2) This character must be able to get the AQ powers to help him/her/it fight the empire. This can be done by inspiring them, tricking them, mind control etc etc. The method doesn't matter.

3) this character's crew cannot be powerful enough to singlehandedly defeat the Empire contingent. That defeats the purpose of the thread. He / she /it needs the AQ powers to help out

4) tech sharing is allowed, however if you strategy involves more than just giving tech to the AQ with instructions on how to use it, you have to justify why the AQ would be able to reverse engineer it.

5) this character's desire to help the AQ can't be contrived through an act of plot. It must be keeping with the character's past behaviour. Usually this isn't a problem if the character is one of the "good guys".

6) usual rules of technobabble apply. If you think this piece of technobabble would work, provide evidence.

7) for the purpose of not having this derail into a time travel battle, time travel as a tactic is not allowed, although your character can be a time traveller.

So, does such a character exists.

[Solauren]

Thor, Teal'c, O'neil and Daniel Jackson (onboard the Daniel Jackson), with Jack still with the ancient knowledge in his brain.
If the Star Trek races in the AQ stablize O'neil's condition and they keep him hooked up to the Daniel Jackson, the AQ has a chance

[mr friendly guy]

So what tactics and strategies would the Stargate crew use to help the AQ?

[NecronLord]

So what tactics and strategies would the Stargate crew use to help the AQ?

The best one I can think of is if they can somehow adopt the tactic they used in attacking Anubis' first Citadel Ship, and devise a weapon that jumps through shields using hyperspace and delivers a multi-gigaton weapon to the less well defended areas of an Imperial Vessel. This tactic would needless to say, cost many lives, but the UFP always seems to find willing goldshirts.

Failing that, using Asgard hyperspace technology and Ancient stealth technology (and yes, even the CGT could be fucked royally using the knowledge in O'Neill's mind at this stage) to jump a large, unmanned ship into the middle of the Imperial vessels and ruin them might work.

These will be especially effective on the DS2, which conviniently has a volitile reactor at its exact center.

[NecronLord]

And, for the record, Stargate Tech is ludicrously easy to retro-engineer.

[Imperial Overlord]

Well SG tech does have to be maintained and used by a bunch of guys who think it is "magic." Even in 40K the Ad Mech guys have technical (not scientific) training.

[NecronLord]

Even the Ancients technology falls under that category. McKay was able to rig a USAFComp-AncientOS interface in a few months.

As it is the Daniel Jackson, and not the O'Neill, their towing abilities may be limited. However, it is still an Asgard ship (THOR, sounding exasperated: It will take several hours to reach our home galaxy with your ship in tow). They can load up the smaller ship of the UFP fleet with as many civillians as possible, and tow them off out of the Empire's ability to find them, and begin refits there. About fifty small ships, suicide-jumped into the reactors of Imperial Ships, would be very, very nasty.

You might want to recruit some klingons to fly them.

[Imperial Overlord]

Haven't seen Atlantis yet with the sole exception of one episode at a friend's house. TBF McKay is a genius who's been studying alien tech for at least a decade.

Off track: The episode I saw was decent. Is Atlantis a worthy successor?

[NecronLord]

Edited previous post.

And I've not a bad word to say about Atlantis so far. It is very very good for a First Season.

[Prozac the Robert]

A standard template construct from WH40k might do it, with or without any actual character. Those things can output designs for whatever you need doing, buildable with whatever it is you've got.

A Grey Lensman might have a chance if going down the infiltration route, but then the rest of the AQ people are kind of peripheral so maybe that's not allowed.

[brianeyci]

Dragonball Z characters.

They cannot singlehandedly defeat the Empire, because they will need a different strategy other than direct assault to succeed. Also if they go it alone they're likely to do it macho, and get a couple of 200 GT turbolaser blasts in their bodies. Also they cannot breathe in space. And the Dragonballs don't have power over anything extraterrestrial.

So, the plan is to get into one of the Empire's shuttles and fly to a ISD. In order for Goku's instant transmission to be effective he has to be able to see the location he's teleporting too. Once he's seen the inside of one ISD, he'll be able to concentrate and teleport to similar ISD's. This will be pretty difficult, depending on the protocols the Imps use. Ambush a stormtrooper patrol and knock them unconcious with a quick blow, take their armor, and go into a shuttle hoping for the best. This plan is pretty risky.

The plan may be simple. It may be sitting inside a Galaxy class disguised as a redshirt. The Galaxy surrenders, and the stormies board it and take the prisoners aboard an ISD for processing. Goku takes a look around everywhere making a mental note. He fights his way to the bridge of the ISD, kills/disables everybody on the bridge of that specific ISD, and teleports himself to every other ISD bridge in the galaxy, assuming their interiors look the same. The AQ powers are necessary to make the deception work -- Goku has to pretend to be a normal joe until he gets aboard an ISD or else he gets turbolasered.

Another relatively simple plan is to spread out the Dragonball Z characters over several planets. They pretend to be normal joes. Then when the Imperial occupation begins and they are led to processing as POW's perhaps on ISD's or local bases, they let havoc loose. This won't devestate the Imps, but will certainly surprise and force them to perhaps BDZ planets.

Since the Dragonball Z characters are from Earth, once they are killed they can be revived using the Dragonballs on Earth. If they cannot, given enough time, I believe the little green namek guy can fashion dragonballs. The dragonballs themselves can be used as weapons of mass destruction. The "Dragon Radar" could easily be built if Bulma comes along, and SF could scan for dragonballs and collect them with transporters and make perpetual wishes. The wishes wouldn't be able to stop the Imps because they are extrateresstrial, but they can make wishes like "give me lots of phasers" or "make 100000000 galaxy class ships" or "give me immortality" or "revive everybody killed on Earth" (for the immortality one, they wouldn't be immortal but just be unable to die from old age, since if they could truly be immortal the Dragonball Z characters would have tried that by now, but they are pretty stupid so who knows). For some retarded reason, DBZ characters are too naive or too stupid to think of wishes like this. This is why the AQ representative is necessary, to point out to the dufuses that they can wish for many more important things than underwear.

Also, when the Imps hit the Fed's exposed communication network, instant transmission again can be used to ferry messages between isolated outposts and resistance headquarters, as long as Goku has pictures of all the places he is teleporting to.

None of these plans are foolproof. For example if the Imps attack fast enough, Earth might be BDZ'd and they won't have time to implement the dragonball idea. But they can at the very least wreak havoc on the Imperials. The Imps won't use BDZ as a first resort, and when they do realize perhaps it will be too late. Better than relying on SF to take care of the Empire.

Brian

[Batman]

I'll see your Goku and raise you an Odin Power Thor. I realize I'm just about the last person who has any right to say this but let's keep this serious, okay?
DBZ is Fantasy and has no place here.

[NecronLord]

Doctor Who? Admittedly, if he really wanted to, he could smackdown the empire by simply flying the tardis through all their ships (it worked with the Sun Crusher, which was significantly less well armoured) but that's not a tactic he's ever used. And he certainly knows an insane amount about technology that is vastly beyond the Empire's..

[Imperial Overlord]

40K isn't powerful enough to go up against the Empire.

The Doctor, on the other hand, tears down evil civilizations on a regular basis.

[Prozac the Robert]

The STCs are from the dark age of technology, and therefore contain knowledge superior to that of the imperium. Whether thats better than SW tech is completely open as far as I know.

[Thanas]

I agree, SG-1 would probably be the best.


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Other than that, what about Hunt and his crew?

Slipstream is very fast (crosses galaxies in minutes), and the Andromeda herself is quite fast and manoevereuble, and carries novabombs. Exactly the kind of ship to wage a guerrillia war.

I'd use her for hit and run strikes against unguarded or only lightly defended targets, mainly hitting supply runs. Novabombs (There are fourty of them, and Harper can build more) only for strikes against key systems held by the empire. Otherwise, no open confrontation. Insurgencies and ambushes are the key tactics. Klingon suicide attacks migth be a good idea.

Tech sharing might pose a problem, to which I have not found a solution yet. Although the AI might try and teach AQ engineers how to fix things or build them. The Question is if the Empire leaves them enough time.

Number one priority would be to equip AQ ships with slipstream drive.
Another priority would be to acquire FTL sensors for the Andromeda.

[mr friendly guy]

I didn't think of the Star gate crew when I wrote the OP.

The 2 things I thought might have had a chance was 1) Dylan Hunt with the Andromeda and crew 2) Doctor Who with TARDIS, lets give him K-9 as well

If the Andromeda crew could give the AQ slipstream, they can relocate to another galaxy where the Empire can't reach. Then use hit and run attacks.

The Doctor would make lots of funky devices
a) "time bomb" he made in one of the novels which "ages" the opposition to death (essentially a more large scale version of the device he used in "pyramids of Mars")

b) anti psionic powers device - I am not sure if he can make such a device, and even if such a device would against the Force. However he did understand the principles behind building a psionic magnifier device "planet of the spiders" and recognise some components to make an antipsionic device "the pirate planet".

Or he could try tractor beam a neutron star and hurling it. And unlike the rabid trek fan boys who argue the E-D can tractor beam a neutron star fragment and hurling it into an ISD with no evidence, the TARDIS has the ability (with great difficulty) to tractor beam a neutron star "Creature from the pit" The problem of course lies in aiming it even against large objects like the DSII.

[harbringer]

Blake and his crew from blakes 7 (including orac the ultimate hacking tool)

their ship is fast with FTL sensors and they (apart from well Avon) would want to help. They can't help by giving out kit but hey do have a telepath on board to give FTL warnings to major fleets and so on.

Honor Harrington - such a character shield such an insane CS..............

She can probably tech the AQ how to build graviton sensors and drives and sidewalls lowering vulnerability.

Captain global and the SDF-1

just because they were cool

Davros and the dalek mothership

they pretend to be nice and kill the nasty imperials only to double cross everyone and enslave earth themselves. Just make sure there are no stairs

The crew of the red dwarf and dave lister

They convince the imperials to accept Arnold J Rimmer......

thats pretty much everything....

[Keevan_Colton]

The crew of the red dwarf and dave lister

They convince the imperials to accept Arnold J Rimmer......

thats pretty much everything....

Starbug alone has the ability to shift planets about...remember when Lister played pool with them?

[NecronLord]

Davros and the dalek mothership

The Death Star could take it, IMO.

[mr friendly guy]

Davros and the dalek mothership

The Death Star could take it, IMO.

It would depend on who fired first. I doubt the Death Star can withstand another planet busting weapon concentrated on one point of its shields.

I suppose in this scenario, the AQ ships act as cannon fodder to distract the Empire ships so that the Dalek ship can get into position.

[harbringer]

There could be multiple ways in which Davros could win IMO he could just kill the Imperials with the mother ship but it would be more in his style to set up bases and produce millions of daleks and mother ships to do the job (you have to remember that Davros is no more benign than Palpatine and more inclined to be subtle). Given that the Daleks can do this very quickly under the right circumstances that could be a very large problem.

I didn't think of Listers pool session but I thought that was a one off thing that couldn't be done again?. I was more thinking that getting Rimmer to defect would be A) easy (follow the Rimmer shaped blur) and B) Entirely to the Empires detriment and lastly C) Funny as hell....

[fgalkin]

The Gray Area decides that the Empire is too evil to countinue to exist, and goes Meatfucker on the Emperor and Vader. The End.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[NecronLord]

The Gray Area decides that the Empire is too evil to countinue to exist, and goes Meatfucker on the Emperor and Vader. The End.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Err. Read the original post. Nothing able to defeat the empire on its own is permitted.

[GeneralTacticus]

Hmmm... well, if the TechoCore from the Hyperion books felt like hurting the Empire for some reason (and I doubt they'd like the idea of a civilisation so powerful and out of their control existing anywhere), a Pax ship and a few Nemes agents might be able to do it. They'd need some help getting aboard an Empire vessel, but once they're aboard, nothing short of an immediate self-destruct is likely to save that vessel, and they could very likely steal every scrap of knowledge the ship's crew possessed right out of their heads. Having done that, they could very probably steal the ship itself - steal the captain's access codes, have the ship jump into hyperspace and drop out a few hundred light-years away, then see what they can do with it. If they managed to grab something like the Executor, things could get very bad for the Empire, very fast.

Of course, all of the above depends on the TechnoCore actually wanting to help the AQ races - doing so could gain them a lot more sentient minds to exploit, but they could probably gain much more by ignoring the AQ altogether and focussing on infiltrating the Empire. A more likely Hyperion-verse matchup would probably come from Aenea and the assorted followers she gathered - if she could spread the so-called 'Communion' virus into the Imperial fleet, the Empire might have serious difficulty maintaining control over the AQ - it is, after all, difficult to rule by fear when your men are feeling every bit of pain they inflict upon others. And having the Shrike as a part-time bodyguard would cause a few problems for any Imperial attempts to kill or capture Aenea herself...