Khan versus Darth Vader!

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-01-19 06:44pm

Coolness factor, not combat prowess or anything.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2005-01-19 06:53pm

Khan may be the coolest villain in all of Star Trek, but he's only on par with Jar Jar Binks in terms of Star Wars.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-01-19 07:13pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:Khan may be the coolest villain in all of Star Trek, but he's only on par with Jar Jar Binks in terms of Star Wars.

WHAT? He's cooler than just about every SW character other than Vader, Fett and Solo. And that's "I shot-first" Solo. He's got the whole charisma and insanity thing going on.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-01-19 07:13pm

Vader's Right hand man is Boba Fett
Khan's right hand man is Tattoo.

Edge: Vader, barely

Vader manipulates people with the Force
Khan manipulates people by shoving evil worms in someones ear

Edge: Vader's is superior, but Khan gets the edge on the gruesome factor

Darth Vader's greatest enemies were Jedi
Khan's greatest enemy wore a girdle under his Starfleet uniform

Edge: Vader

Vader Serves the Emperor
Khan Serves no one

Edge: Khan

Vader's Ship: SSD Executor
Khan's Ship: USS Reliant

Edge: Vader baby.

Vader used to be a whiny brat
Khan used to be a genetic uberhuman warlord on Earth

Edge: Khan

ITS A TIE ITS A TIE WHAT DOES IT ALL COME DOWN TO?

Vader: Lightsaber
Khan: No Lightsaber

All you Vader haters better recognize, Dark Lords of the Sith raise your hands up, sayonara Alderaan and Say hello to my Bespin Bitches.

Vader wins.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-01-19 07:18pm

I will give more Vader here. At heart they are both whiny bitches...though Vader got his jimmy fried off while Khan just got his babe eaten by pyscho worms. So his complaint as he got older were at least better. Khan just should been using that genetically enhanced doodad of his.

Khan had the only problem that he got snookered by his own personal arrogance at the worst times, and Vader at least was not all that dumb...Death Star?

One thing that Khan really has over Vader is that he also served no wrinkly old geeezer who compensates for penis size is a Force Storm.

What ultimately seperates them, when it comes to punishing subordinates for talking out of line...Khan throws them aside, Vader neck snaps.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-19 07:19pm

Although I give Vader the clear nod simply on the uber-coolness of James Earl Jones, I would give Khan points for having a cadre of loyal followers who appeared to actually admire and respect him, as opposed to Vader's followers, who were essentially terrified sycophants.

If only they'd let him say, just once, that he wanted Reliant's command chair immediately re-upholstered with rich Corinthian leather!

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-01-19 08:12pm

I’m really glad this is about coolness rather than combat ability. I’d hate to see Khan diced into genetically-engineered uber-pieces and thrown to the Sarlaac.

Anyways, In my humble opinion, Uber-ness can detract from one’s coolness. It is possible to be over-uber (uber-uber?) I mean, Luke can jump great distances, turn force-lightning back on the emperor and cut down AT_AT’s all on his lonesome; where as Solo is just a guy with wits and a starship; yet Solo is way cooler than Luke.

The same goes for Khan. Although he’s super-fit and super-athletic, he is just a man, and he conquered a goodly part of the earth and really, really, p*ss*d off Big Bill Shatner

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-01-19 08:43pm

Vader banged Natalie Portman. What else needs to be said?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-01-19 09:20pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Vader banged Natalie Portman. What else needs to be said?

You mean his character banged her character. And a very annoying and unattractive character at that.
That's a point against him not for him!

And besides, he was lucky to knock her up before she kicked his ass to the curb. Their relationship was a sad Montel episode waiting to happen, at best.

Khan, OTOH, seduced a real woman in just a day to the point where she was willing to follow him into exile on a deserted planet.

And his XO had a real Smithers vibe, if you follow my drift...
That's a lot of masculine charisma for someone with a hairless chest.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-19 09:28pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:Vader banged Natalie Portman. What else needs to be said?
You mean his character banged her character. And a very annoying and unattractive character at that.
That's a point against him not for him!

And besides, he was lucky to knock her up before she kicked his ass to the curb. Their relationship was a sad Montel episode waiting to happen, at best.

Khan, OTOH, seduced a real woman in just a day to the point where she was willing to follow him into exile on a deserted planet.

And his XO had a real Smithers vibe, if you follow my drift...
That's a lot of masculine charisma for someone with a hairless chest.

Have to agree, Khan didn't do too shaby with McGivers ... and in the process he had to be poaching on turf that Kirk had been staking out for a while.

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2005-01-20 04:53am

Badassitude is the yardstick?

I'll remember them for their last moments: vader succumbed to touchy feely bullshit while Khan was a bitter blowhard to the end.

Any btw, why hasn't anyone said it yet?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-20 05:07am

The only exposure I got of Khan was ST:2, and sorry he struck me as an irrate ex-European fashion model.

When Khan has other strong men pissing their pants just at the mear sight of him, call me.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-01-20 06:25am

Close match, but i have to say Khan.

Hell, the guy took away a woman from J.T.Kirk.

Vader´s coolness has been declining with every SW-movie being made, from the Super-bad-villian in ANH to the right hand of Palpatine in TESB to "It is to late for me, my son" in ROTJ.

Not to mention his appearence in the Prequels.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-20 06:37am

"Like a poor marksman you keep missing the target!"

Vader/Anakin is much cooler. That's not to say Khan wasn't cool, just not AS cool as Vader.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-01-20 07:57am

Vader's last words: "You were right. You were right about me. Tell Leia. You were right."

Khan's last words: "To the last, I will grapple with thee. ... Now! Now, you can't get away. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." (Quoting Herman Melville's Captain Ahab.)

Edge: Khan.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-20 07:59am

Yeah right. Vader dies by settling the score with his children, after saving Luke's life and killing the Emperor; Khan dies like a pathetic dog, with nothing more than impotent curses to throw at Kirk, who lives anyway. Some 'edge'.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-20 08:38am

The badassitude of Vader began declining from his beginnings of choking anyone who pissed him off to happy-feely stuff and now whiney bitchiness.

Plus, unlike Vader, Khan is the coolest villain ever, ever, EVER in his respected universe. Plus, he never had the uber-ships Vader got his paws on. He crippled the flagship with a destroyer. And, unlike Vader, he was able to kill a main character.

And he had much better last moments.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-01-20 08:44am

Stofsk wrote:Yeah right. Vader dies by settling the score with his children, after saving Luke's life and killing the Emperor; Khan dies like a pathetic dog, with nothing more than impotent curses to throw at Kirk, who lives anyway. Some 'edge'.

Khan died as a badass while attempting to take his nemesis with him, Vader died worrying what his daughter would think of him after he was gone. Definite edge in coolness for Khan.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-01-20 09:18am

Vader vs. Khan? You gotta be joking, Vader all the way.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2005-01-20 09:33am

Stofsk wrote:Yeah right. Vader dies by settling the score with his children, after saving Luke's life and killing the Emperor; Khan dies like a pathetic dog, with nothing more than impotent curses to throw at Kirk, who lives anyway. Some 'edge'.

Impotent? He blasted the Mutara nebula into a new starsysten and managed to kill Spock in the process. That was hardly impotent curses, that was a parting shot to be remembered.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2005-01-20 12:06pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Khan's last words: "To the last, I will grapple with thee. ... Now! Now, you can't get away. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." (Quoting Herman Melville's Captain Ahab.)

Well, Kirk did gain some weight since TOS.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-20 12:21pm

RIPPED SHIRT

Now if a ripped shirt isn't cool, I'm not sure what is. And to the Eurpoean Fashion Model thing, grow a brain, did you see what the guys were wearing, next thing you'll say is anybody with a European accent and long hair resembles a European Fashion Model

.

Brian

Mutant Headcrab · Post by **Mutant Headcrab** » 2005-01-20 12:22pm

PFC Brungardt wrote: Any btw, why hasn't anyone said it yet?

I can only assume you mean this:

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2005-01-20 12:43pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Vader's last words: "You were right. You were right about me. Tell Leia. You were right."

Khan's last words: "To the last, I will grapple with thee. ... Now! Now, you can't get away. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." (Quoting Herman Melville's Captain Ahab.)

Edge: Khan.

Not to mention, Khan didn't make up his own words to Moby Dick, unlike some bald starship captain trying to impress the babes with his badass quoting powers I could mention.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2005-01-20 01:16pm

It is a bit hard to vote on this, I can't really quantify what "coolness" is.

But if I had the choice who I would rather invite me over for a BBQ on the weekend it would be Khan. I just can't envision The Dark Lord of Sith flipping steaks over on the grill with a beer in his other hand.

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