Sith Lord Changeling

[jegs2]

I've thought of what could be the ultimate power in the Star Wars universe. A changeling from the Trek universe links up with Darth Sidious somehow (through a "fill-in-the-blank" anomoly or act of Q) and becomes a Sith Apprentice. The changeling is fully trained in all Sith arts and eventually serves at the right hand of Emperor Palpatine instead of Darth Vader. Around the time of A New Hope, the Sith changeling assassinates Palpatine and seizes the Imperial throne. With his Sith powers, innate changeling abilities, and full control of the Imperial war machine, such a being could be nigh unstoppable.

[Jay]

And when the death star is destroyed at the end of RotJ, exactly how will this uber-sith's shapechanging abilities save him from being blown to pieces by Lando and Wedge?

Besides, can't some-force wielders alter their apperence anyway. I know it is just an illussion rather than an actual shape-change, but in terms of disguise its going to be pretty much the same.

[jegs2]

And when the death star is destroyed at the end of RotJ, exactly how will this uber-sith's shapechanging abilities save him from being blown to pieces by Lando and Wedge?

Your assumption that the Sith changeling would take the same courses of action taken by Palpatine is based on what? Keep in mind that Palpatine knew where the Rebel fleet was before it assaulted DS2, and the Sith changeling with that same information may have decided instead to attack and destroy the Rebel fleet where it was gathered instead of waiting for it to attack the Death Star. Palpatine's arrogance played a large role in his fall.

Besides, can't some-force wielders alter their apperence anyway. I know it is just an illussion rather than an actual shape-change, but in terms of disguise its going to be pretty much the same.

Not sure of that. The changeling never need reveal that he killed Palpatine at all. So far as the Empire is concerned, they may think that the changeling is Palpatine.

[Jay]

Your assumption that the Sith changeling would take the same courses of action taken by Palpatine is based on what? Keep in mind that Palpatine knew where the Rebel fleet was before it assaulted DS2, and the Sith changeling with that same information may have decided instead to attack and destroy the Rebel fleet where it was gathered instead of waiting for it to attack the Death Star. Palpatine's arrogance played a large role in his fall.

Fair point. I guess the changeling isn't going to have the same interst in young Skywalker as the Emperor did. My Bad

Not sure of that. The changeling never need reveal that he killed Palpatine at all. So far as the Empire is concerned, they may think that the changeling is Palpatine.

Thats quite cool. Another force-user might scan the changeling/emperor suspecting foul play, but because he's not using the force to hide his true identity, the deception goes unnoticed.

[Techno_Union]

Wait, what's stopping Palpatine from coming back? ie. using the cloning vats on Byss to come back and retake his empire? Or at least attempt to?

I mean, Palpatine could be a serious threat to the Changeling if he were to unleash a Force Storm on the Changeling.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

1. Changelings have been shown to be just as arrogant, if not moreso, than Palpy.

2. Your idea doesn't hinge on his being a changling as much as on him not being quite as arrogant as Palpatine.

3. Why can't they just clone Palpatine.

[Robert Walper]

1. Changelings have been shown to be just as arrogant, if not moreso, than Palpy.

Which does not equal similar decisions, interests or goals. Or abilities for that matter.

2. Your idea doesn't hinge on his being a changling as much as on him not being quite as arrogant as Palpatine.

See above.

3. Why can't they just clone Palpatine.

How do they know he's dead?

[Kuja]

Why yank a changeling all the way from the Milky Way when the SW galaxy has its own? (Shi'ido and clawdites, among others)

[Robert Walper]

Why yank a changeling all the way from the Milky Way when the SW galaxy has its own? (Shi'ido and clawdites, among others)

Irrelvent. Who cares? We're going by the OP.

[Stark]

The OP that ignores the 'common SW sensors can detect changlings' thing? Oh, yay.

Maybe, right, the changling could turn itself into a big ball full of heaps of midiclorians, thus becoming the most powerfulest force user eva! I'm pretty sure changlings don't just change appearance but internal structure as well, so surely they can fill themselves with force-goblins.

Or... not.

Since the Changeling killed Palpy and is now Lord of the Sith, surely he's going for the same goal ie eating everybodies souls. This means he's mad - and changlings weren't the smartest little butterflies to start with. And Ps soul WILL just walk over to Byss and get reborn, so fighting off the comeback is a big issue. It'd depend of the amount of raw force power this lucky changling has... since Palpy is arguably more powerful than Yoda (combatwise) this changling would have to be something special indeed to stop him.

[Robert Walper]

The OP that ignores the 'common SW sensors can detect changlings' thing? Oh, yay.

Because, you know, the senate or other authorities were regularily scanning Palpatine to see if he was a changeling, right?

Maybe, right, the changling could turn itself into a big ball full of heaps of midiclorians, thus becoming the most powerfulest force user eva!

Doesn't need to. The changeling is already powerful and wise enough in the Force to assassinate Palpatine as stated in the OP. Don't like it? Tough shit.

I'm pretty sure changlings don't just change appearance but internal structure as well, so surely they can fill themselves with force-goblins.

Or... not.

Who gives a fuck? Your whining is irrevelent. The changeling took out Palpatine without your pitiful attempts to claim it must be "uber" midiclorains according to the OP.

Since the Changeling killed Palpy and is now Lord of the Sith, surely he's going for the same goal ie eating everybodies souls.

Palpatine was after eating everyone's soul? And here I thought he was out to exterminate the Jedi and rule the galaxy...

This means he's mad - and changlings weren't the smartest little butterflies to start with.

Most humans aren't the brightest individuals either (you know, fundies, uneducated, etc). Therefore, all humans are idiots, right?

And Ps soul WILL just walk over to Byss and get reborn, so fighting off the
comeback is a big issue.

Yes, because killing off an individual in a position of great power is far less difficult than killing off a individual "reborn" on some backwards planet who has to start over and compete against the individual who defeated him from the top already...

It'd depend of the amount of raw force power this lucky changling has... since Palpy is arguably more powerful than Yoda (combatwise) this changling would have to be something special indeed to stop him.

Your point?

[Techno_Union]

Palpatine was after eating everyone's soul? And here I thought he was out to exterminate the Jedi and rule the galaxy...

Actually Palpatine fed off the life energies of others. The most notable occasions were on Byss, where almost all of the setllers there were "eaten" by Palpatine.

Yes, because killing off an individual in a position of great power is far less difficult than killing off a individual "reborn"

Not to get into the middle of what looks like to be a flame war, but the OP doesn't even say how Palpatine was killed, so you can't just assume that the Changeling can kill Palpatine off again when we don't even know how he did it in the first place.

on some backwards planet

What do you mean by this? Does anyone know if Byss had always been the fortress planet it was during the OT era? It would seem likely since Palpatine, during the OT time period, frequented the planet.

who has to start over and compete against the individual who defeated him from the top already...

Has this Changeling taken Palpatine's form?

Your point?

I think he was getting at the point that Palpatine might try and kill of the Changeling and retake his empire.

[Steven Snyder]

If I may bring up this point...

I seriously doubt the changeling has the years (perhaps centuries, we don't know how old Sidious actually is) of political experience, and raw charisma to actually hold the Empire together.

The ability of Darth Sidious to 'forsee' the future is his greatest strength, I cannot automatically assume the changeling will have it. Vader never seemed to have this capacity.

[Techno_Union]

Vader never seemed to have this capacity.

Actually he did have an acute case of precog in TPM.

[Praxis]

And when the death star is destroyed at the end of RotJ, exactly how will this uber-sith's shapechanging abilities save him from being blown to pieces by Lando and Wedge?

Besides, can't some-force wielders alter their apperence anyway. I know it is just an illussion rather than an actual shape-change, but in terms of disguise its going to be pretty much the same.

He'll get off the DS2, like Luke did.

And ASSUMING he made all the same decisions (unlikely) as Palpatine did, when Palpatine was thrown down the shaft the changeling would extend himself and grab onto something. So he wouldn't have died.

[Vain]

Say the changeling is just as strong in the Force as Palpatine and just as charismatic as well. So what? How does being a changeling make it any more suited to running the Empire, or crushing the Rebellion, or avoiding being assassinated? It seems to me that its racial abilities would be entirely secondary to the ludicrous Force Powers and political savvy.

[Robert Walper]

Not to get into the middle of what looks like to be a flame war

Actually, I was being unnecessarily aggressive. Sorry Stark.

[Robert Walper]

Actually Palpatine fed off the life energies of others. The most notable occasions were on Byss, where almost all of the setllers there were "eaten" by Palpatine.

Ok, that's news to me. Not that this is really relevent though.

Not to get into the middle of what looks like to be a flame war, but the OP doesn't even say how Palpatine was killed, so you can't just assume that the Changeling can kill Palpatine off again when we don't even know how he did it in the first place.

the Sith changeling assassinates Palpatine

Where's the confusion?

on some backwards planet

What do you mean by this? Does anyone know if Byss had always been the fortress planet it was during the OT era? It would seem likely since Palpatine, during the OT time period, frequented the planet.

Safe from even the Imperial might? The changeling would need only to direct a small fleet of ISDs ordered to pulverize the planet. A SSD, one with even a super laser canon should be able to toast it quite nicely. If necessary, the changeling could order the DS to destroy it.

Has this Changeling taken Palpatine's form?

Why wouldn't it? Would make the take over that much more successful.

Your point?

I think he was getting at the point that Palpatine might try and kill of the Changeling and retake his empire.

Given this changeling was powerful enough to kill and outwit Palpatine in the first place, I question the ability of a resurrected Palpatine to take on the changeling who now has the backing of the Empire to support it.

[Robert Walper]

If I may bring up this point...

I seriously doubt the changeling has the years (perhaps centuries, we don't know how old Sidious actually is) of political experience, and raw charisma to actually hold the Empire together.

Not that Palpatine did any better. The Empire crumbled IIRC.

The ability of Darth Sidious to 'forsee' the future is his greatest strength,

This obviously didn't help him against this changeling the OP has created.

I cannot automatically assume the changeling will have it.

I don't think that's been assumed.

Vader never seemed to have this capacity.

Vader didn't have the balls to assasinate the Emperor either.

[Techno_Union]

There's the confusion?

Thank you but I can read. I am not saying that he didn't assassinate Palpatine, what I am saying is that you can't assume he would be able to kill off Palpatine again since we have no clue how it was done in the first place.

Unless I completely misunderstood your statement:

Yes, because killing off an individual in a position of great power is far less difficult than killing off a individual "reborn"

I took it to mean that the Changeling would be able to kill off Palpatine again, is this what you meant?

Safe from even the Imperial might? The changeling would need only to direct a small fleet of ISDs ordered to pulverize the planet. A SSD, one with even a super laser canon should be able to toast it quite nicely. If necessary, the changeling could order the DS to destroy it.

Problem of actually getting to Byss then arises. There were few ways to actually get to Byss because of its location, do we know exactly who knows how to get to it? I doubt the Changeling would know... actually, how would the Changeling even know about Byss? Granted the Emperor could have always told him since they were master/padawan.

Why wouldn't it? Would make the take over that much more successful.

Simply curious. I wanted to know so I could hypothesize what would happen if Palpatine came back... the Empire might not know exactly who to follow if they both have the exact same powers etc.

Given this changeling was powerful enough to kill and outwit Palpatine in the first place, I question the ability of a resurrected Palpatine to take on the changeling who now has the backing of the Empire to support it.

I realize that the OP states that Palpatine was assassinated, but I mean really, that's all we know. Hell, he could have been pushed down a flight of stairs and killed. I'm afraid that point is just a little too vague.

But would they still support the Changeling if Palpatine came back? They have almost the same powers, and definitely the same looks. Who to believe?

I'm not trying to be an ass, so if I come off as one, please forgive me.

[Robert Walper]

Thank you but I can read. I am not saying that he didn't assassinate Palpatine, what I am saying is that you can't assume he would be able to kill off Palpatine again since we have no clue how it was done in the first place.

That's not the point. The point is that the changeling was able to kill Palpatine when he was at the top. The changeling then takes over the Empire and has it backing it for any potential conflict with a resurrected Palpatine who will be in a far, far weaker position than when the changeling originally killed him.

Unless I completely misunderstood your statement:

Yes, because killing off an individual in a position of great power is far less difficult than killing off a individual "reborn"

I took it to mean that the Changeling would be able to kill off Palpatine again, is this what you meant?

The changeling killed Palpatine when he was ruling his Empire, with his Sith powers, pre cog and all other tricks up his sleeve. Resurrected, he'll have far less resources available to combat the changeling, who would undoubtedly be taking measures to ensure it doesn't suffer the same fate.

Safe from even the Imperial might? The changeling would need only to direct a small fleet of ISDs ordered to pulverize the planet. A SSD, one with even a super laser canon should be able to toast it quite nicely. If necessary, the changeling could order the DS to destroy it.

Problem of actually getting to Byss then arises. There were few ways to actually get to Byss because of its location, do we know exactly who knows how to get to it? I doubt the Changeling would know... actually, how would the Changeling even know about Byss? Granted the Emperor could have always told him since they were master/padawan.

I have next to nothing in regards to personal knowledge on Byss. I just find it hard to believe it has any credibility of being a sufficient tool for a resurrected Palpatine to overthrow a powerful Sith changeling strong and smart enough to have already defeated Palpatine previously.

Why wouldn't it? Would make the take over that much more successful.

Simply curious. I wanted to know so I could hypothesize what would happen if Palpatine came back... the Empire might not know exactly who to follow if they both have the exact same powers etc.

My guess is they'd be inclined to follow their current leader, whom by their perception, didn't die or go anywhere. All they've seen is just a new Palpatine popping up and trying to grab power.

Given this changeling was powerful enough to kill and outwit Palpatine in the first place, I question the ability of a resurrected Palpatine to take on the changeling who now has the backing of the Empire to support it.

I realize that the OP states that Palpatine was assassinated, but I mean really, that's all we know. Hell, he could have been pushed down a flight of stairs and killed. I'm afraid that point is just a little too vague.

If that's all it took to kill him, that doesn't do his resurrected self and favors in terms of a threatening status.

But would they still support the Changeling if Palpatine came back? They have almost the same powers, and definitely the same looks. Who to believe?

I'm not trying to be an ass, so if I come off as one, please forgive me.

Like I said, I suspect the Imperials would follow the current leader, rather than immediately jumping up and supporting some possible imposter trying to grab power.

[NecronLord]

And when the death star is destroyed at the end of RotJ, exactly how will this uber-sith's shapechanging abilities save him from being blown to pieces by Lando and Wedge?

The same way Luke survived? Namely, grabbing a shuttle and leaving?

[Robert Walper]

And when the death star is destroyed at the end of RotJ, exactly how will this uber-sith's shapechanging abilities save him from being blown to pieces by Lando and Wedge?

The same way Luke survived? Namely, grabbing a shuttle and leaving?

A changeling doesn't even need to do that. A changeling can become a spacecraft of sorts, even travelling at warp speeds.

[Techno_Union]

A changeling doesn't even need to do that. A changeling can become a spacecraft of sorts, even travelling at warp speeds.

I wasn't aware they could do that, what episode was it on?

[Robert Walper]

A changeling doesn't even need to do that. A changeling can become a spacecraft of sorts, even travelling at warp speeds.

I wasn't aware they could do that, what episode was it on?

It was a DS9 episode where Odo meets another changeling who is one of the "lost ones". Odo and O'brien were in a runabout at warp, and they were overtaken by some sort of bio-craft that turned out to be changeling. The changeling's name was Las...don't recall if that was the episode name though.