Better Prequel

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-01-23 01:56pm

Nothing overly elaborate. As we all know, Star Trek and Star Wars have both over the last six years added the prequel element to their ever-growing universes. Despite the flaws and strengths of both, what do you consider to be the better prequel?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-23 02:01pm

Really, I don't see how this could possibly be anything other than another Enterprise bashing forum. :S

Given the board's taste as I've seen it, this is a biased question on par with "Which smells better? Perfume, or shit?"

Not to defend Enterprise, I never watch it myself. But the idea this is really a "question" here strikes me as rather dubious.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-01-23 02:06pm

I have enjoyed about 4 episodes of Enterprise in the first two seasons. I couldn't bear to keep watching it, it sucked so much. Whereas, while TPM annoyed me at times, it was pretty good, and I liked AotC.

SW.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-01-23 02:09pm

Robert Walper wrote:Really, I don't see how this could possibly be anything other than another Enterprise bashing forum. :S

Given the board's taste as I've seen it, this is a biased question on par with "Which smells better? Perfume, or shit?"

Not to defend Enterprise, I never watch it myself. But the idea this is really a "question" here strikes me as rather dubious.

It's not meant to be an ENT-bashing thread. As I said, both prequels have their respective strengths and their respective flaws. I'm simply curious to know what people truly believe to be the better prequel in the context of their own universes -- not to mention gather some numerical data while I'm at it.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-23 02:10pm

There is the highly, highly unlikely possibility that ROTS will suck so much that its suckiness will uh outweigh Ent. Although unlikely.

So officially undecided, although obviously leaning towards SW prequels depending on how they dot ROTS.

Brian

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-23 02:10pm

Also, the Enterprise series is not completed yet either, and nor is ROTS, so that's the reason why I'm undecided officially.

Brian

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-01-23 02:34pm

As a fan, I find it easier to patch Star Wars continuity problems that it is to fix Enterprise's.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-23 03:11pm

brianeyci wrote:There is the highly, highly unlikely possibility that ROTS will suck so much that its suckiness will uh outweigh Ent. Although unlikely.

No way! ROTS is going to rock. TPM was good, AOTC even better. given the trend, I think ROTS will be awesome.

Come on! We get to see Vader! Lightsaber action! Force powers! You can't go wrong...

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-23 03:25pm

TPM was...okay. Got boring, but had some great action scenes.

AOTC was good.

ROTS is gonnna rock.

Enterprise sucked all around :p

I don't see how anyone could think Enterprise > EpI, II, + III.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-23 04:09pm

Only a tiny bit of season 3, and Season 4 of Enterprise haven't sucked more than an industrial srength vacuum. Both AoTC and TPM are quite enjoyable to watch.

Butterbean569 · Post by **Butterbean569** » 2005-01-23 06:29pm

I'm gonna have to go with SW on this one, even though I don't think Enterprise is terrible. It's mediocre, but I think it's better than Voyager

TPM was ok, and AOTC was pretty good...as long as ROTS doesn't blow then SW will win this pretty easily.

BTW, does First Contact count as a prequel? Kinda?

Morilore · Post by **Morilore** » 2005-01-23 07:47pm

Actual stories w/ character development >>> Anal raping of the cash cow

SW

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-23 07:49pm

Robert Walper wrote:
brianeyci wrote:There is the highly, highly unlikely possibility that ROTS will suck so much that its suckiness will uh outweigh Ent. Although unlikely.
No way! ROTS is going to rock. TPM was good, AOTC even better. given the trend, I think ROTS will be awesome.

Come on! We get to see Vader! Lightsaber action! Force powers! You can't go wrong...

Sure we can ... 20 minute of Ewok subplots would do it just fine ...

That was not a request!!!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-23 08:03pm

Although I am not a fan of prequels, if I had to choose between the two I would choose Star Wars as my favourite. TPM for all it's flaws showed us Coruscant for the first time. That was kickass. And a lot of the criticisms of AOTC strike me as bitter fans who will cling to anything they don't like, regardless of how minor an infraction.

Enterprise is a lot worse, in terms of prequels. And just standing by itself, it isn't any good. The characterisation is subpar, and a lot of it is nonexistent.

What good can come from a prequel, anyway? In terms of storytelling?

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2005-01-23 08:34pm

I disliked both Star Wars prequels. However, I don't watch Enterprise and know little about it other than what I hear on the board, but that has been enough to keep me far, far away (the descriptions of "Dear Doctor" were enough to do that

). That is balanced with the fact that I barely care about the state of Trek, having never been a fan, while I care a lot about things that alter Wars in ways I don't like. So, I voted Neither (although, it's not that I hate all prequels, just these ones).

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-01-23 08:51pm

I am partial to the SW prequals... I actually loved TPM and AOTC. Enterprise never really took off with me because of the cast... I just couldn't like most of them... that isn't to say that the SW prequals didn't have some people I didn't like (TPM Anakin).

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-01-24 06:29am

I'm one of those (few?) people not hardcore Star Trek fans that actually like Enterprise (although only two seasons has been aired so far here in Sweden). It's better than TNG anyway.

But comparing Enterprise to the SW prequels is impossible, there's no way that can be done.

TPM was allright, AOTC is the best SW movie yet and I'm sure ROTS will take the title best SW movie ever.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-01-24 06:46am

Let see

SW
TPM:suffered from the disney-syndrome, but was otherwise OK
AOTC:While forced in some places and had Anakin-Padme romance bits that should have been cut, had some very good bit (like the endbattle and the part where as the Acclamators lift up fight the Clone wars the Republic theme transforms into the Imperial March).
ROTS:as far as I tell it's gonna be at least OK.

ST:ENT
Season 1: as far as I know it sucked
Season 2:see above
Season 3:had some good parts, but the rest sucked (I'm convinced B&B can't make anything worth watching)
Season 4:the Jury still out on that.

So SW all the way (George Lucas is nowere as bad as B&B).

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-01-24 06:55am

Barring Ep. III turning out to such a bad movie that watching it feels like being racked the SW prequels are better the Enterprise, but that is not exactly high praise.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2005-01-24 06:21pm

I'll own up to my shameful vote. I voted Enterprise because for all of its great and many flaws, I have enjoyed my time with it. I like some of the charecters and charecter interactions enough to enjoy watching the show. The two Star Wars prequals on the other hand have just made me sad and angry that GL has fallen so far from the glory of his original creation. I still have hopes for Ep. III and will eagerly await its release, but so far I've just gotten more enjoyment out of Enterprise than Eps. I and II.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-01-24 06:42pm

While I'm not enamored by either franchises prequels, I have to give it to SW. While I was disappointed by TPM TOTC and don't have great hopes for ROTS at this time, at least they didn't commit the plethora of continuity violations ENT did, leave alone the horrible mathignorance.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-01-24 08:25pm

This is a pretty sad poll. It's like asking whether one prefers the taste of shit or vomit. The SW prequels sucked pretty hard, but not nearly as hard as Enterprise, so I suppose they should win.

On the other hand, I didn't spend 20 bucks to see enterprise.
I say it's a tie.

Of course, B5 In the Beginning blows Eps I and II and Enterprise completely away, but it wasn't mentioned in the poll.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2005-01-24 10:16pm

I happen to like the SW prequels, not as much as the OT mind you, but I enjoyed them. Ent I have not enjoyed for more than two consecutive minutes (saw an ep with some massive spacebattle, and was able to enjoy the special effects, though it pissed me off when some powerful beings or another saved the sphere-deathstar-thingy). I keep hearing about these good episodes of it in the third season (eg Forge) but have yet to see them myself, so my vote easily goes to SW.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-01-25 12:03am

Star Wars: Over-anticipated causing some letdowns, some bad dialogue
Enterprise; Idea that SHOULD have ruled, but was flushed by the actions of those entrusted to it.

Star Wars wins

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