A new idea: Clark Kent in the ST/SWverse.

[Praxis]

I've been watching a lot of Smallville recently. The first season got old fast, with new kryptonite-mutated supervillans that show up and get defeated every other episode. But the second season was better, and the third season was awesome.

For those of you who don't know, Smallville is about Clark Kent (better known as Superman) as a teen, before he was Superman.

Anyway, I was thinking that Clark would have almost no problem taking over the world if he wanted to. He's EASILY fast enough to dodge missles and tank shells and any kind of big weapon (heck, he can dodge BULLETS) and is strong enough to withstand dozens of people pummelling him with machine guns (if for some reason he decided not to zip out of the way and avoid taking a single hit). He could lift and throw tanks around like toys, and in the fourth season with his ability to fly, would have no problem taking out aircraft. He'd be practically invincible.

Then the thought crossed my mind: What if Clark was in ST or SW?


Scenario 1: Clark Kent is warped onto Earth, right after the last episode of DS9 and the conclusion of the Dominion War. He has a red kryptonite ring on (red kryptonite affects him mentally and makes him violent and, well, evil- when he had a ring of it on in one episode, he became a criminal, robbing banks and ripping through ATM's, etc), so he decides to do as much damage (or conquer if possible) as he can to Earth.

Can the Federation stop him?


Scenario 2: Clark Kent is warped onto Coruscant, during the rule of the Empire, but while the Emperor is away on a one-month business trip. He has a red kryptonite ring on. How much damage can he do? Can the Empire stop him?

Scenario 3: Clark Kent is warped onto Hoth, during the rule of the Empire, with no red kryptonite. He ends up smack in the middle of the Rebel base.
Does he agree to help the Rebels defeat the Empire? If so, can he change the battle of Hoth?


What do you guys think?

And for those who don't know, here's a rundown of his abilities currently in the show.

1) Superspeed. I saw some nerd who calculated he can move at minimum 2,400 miles per hour based on a) The fact that he can move fast enough that he's basicly invisible and b) The fact that he is able to make a 6-hour drive in 10 minutes (assuming 60 mph average). He's able to move fast enough to dodge or even catch bullets in midair.

2) Flight. He flew for the first time in the first episode of the fourth season, and had no problem catching up to a plane in seconds.

3) Strength. He has no trouble lifting a car, and is nearly invulnerable- bullets bounce off him, and a bomb only burns his clothes. A car hit him at 60 MPH once, and the car was completely crushed and he didn't have a scratch.

4) Heat vision. It's hard to get an idea of how powerful it is, but he was able to melt a road enough for a car to get stuck in it in one episode. Oh, and he can roast chicken with it. It probably couldn't get through a shield on an X-wing though. Or even a Federation shuttle.

5) X-ray vision. Can not see through lead or anything that blocks radiation well.

6) Super hearing...he can pick up two people whispering in the house across the road, and can pick up someone talking on a cell phone in the middle of a crowd.


So, how would he do? Anyone?

[brianeyci]

Does Kryptonite exist in the ST or the SW universe?

Brian

[Robert Walper]

Shrugging off bullets is one thing. Blasters have a helluvalot more energy and might hurt him.

More so than a car travelling at 60 MPH?

[Robert Walper]

One question about Smallville...is he simply discovering his powers, or aquiring them?

[Praxis]

One question about Smallville...is he simply discovering his powers, or aquiring them?

Discovering.

At the beginning of the show he only knew of his speed and strength (and even then not the extent, he realized he was practically invincible when Lex Luthor's Porsche smacked him off a bridge, and later on he stuck his hand through a shredder). Later on he develops heat vision and whenever he thinks about girls his eyes start blazing (quite a funny episode, actually). Then his X-ray vision, in an episode where he suddenly starts seeing through walls (and straight into the girls' locker room). In the earlier episodes, bullets actually bruise him with little red marks, but as he gets older they have almost no effect on him (bouncing off like toys) and he is stated to have gotten stronger as he got older.



And assuming there is no Kyrptonite, they have to stop him the old fashioned way.


I think ST might have a slight advantage, in NDF. A phaser hitting flesh and blood (even superpowered flesh and blood) might have more effect than a DET blaster.

One other thing I forgot to mention:

Super healing. While being affected by kryptonite he was beaten and cut in one episode. As soon as the kryptonite was removed, the wounds healed up in seconds and he was back to normal.

[Praxis]

Argh, I need an edit button.

Anyway, for the super healing: One episode he was tossed in a furnace. As he was being tossed in there had been kryptonite in the room, so he got burned, but once he was inside he was safe.

Once he emerged (about ten seconds later) he had third-degree burns on his face from when they were first tossing him in, and they took about ten seconds to heal up. Thats about twenty seconds to heal bad burns from his face.

So you can't just hit him with a blaster, have him zip off, then try to hit him with another shot later. But if you delivered multiple hits at once with high-powered weapons (faster than the 10-20 seconds to heal bad burns) you could probably kill him (IF you could get him to stand in place to get hit).

I don't think he could punch through an AT-AT's armor considering how it shrugged off blasts, but I wonder if he could fly up and push it and knock it over...

[Praxis]

Can he survive the vacuum of space without a ship? If not that would be an easy way to dispatch him.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

[NRS Guardian]

Can he survive the vacuum of space without a ship? If not that would be an easy way to dispatch him.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

I'vee seen the Superman cartoon some and in that he is as far as I know always shown in a spacesuit or spacecraft. Though that doesn't necessarily mean he can't survive in vacuum for at least a few minutes.

[Ghost Rider]

Can he survive the vacuum of space without a ship? If not that would be an easy way to dispatch him.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

Which Superman?

Smallville? Unknown.

Cartoon. Yes

Comic. Yes.

[Darth Servo]

The Federation would think he's a Q or something and try and talk him out of his rampage.

In the SW galaxy with the red kryptonity, the Sith would try and recruit him. The rebels would try and avoid direct contact.

Don't have enough info to determine him changing the battle of Hoth.

[Robert Walper]

Can he survive the vacuum of space without a ship? If not that would be an easy way to dispatch him.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

Which Superman?

Smallville? Unknown.

Cartoon. Yes

Comic. Yes.

I would also add: Movies. Yes.

[Ghost Rider]

The Federation would think he's a Q or something and try and talk him out of his rampage.

In the SW galaxy with the red kryptonity, the Sith would try and recruit him. The rebels would try and avoid direct contact.

Don't have enough info to determine him changing the battle of Hoth.

Affecting Hoth...possibly, but not Smallville. I'd only say Comic book because he actually would require easily in the upper hundreds of megatons to kill.

Cartoon...the At-At guns are more then enough.

Movie....lol...yeah...guns will kill him and he's slowest in almost any incarnation except Smallville. Barring his most extreme high end speed, which takes him substantional time to accomplish.

[Praxis]

The Federation would think he's a Q or something and try and talk him out of his rampage.

In the SW galaxy with the red kryptonity, the Sith would try and recruit him. The rebels would try and avoid direct contact.

Don't have enough info to determine him changing the battle of Hoth.

Affecting Hoth...possibly, but not Smallville. I'd only say Comic book because he actually would require easily in the upper hundreds of megatons to kill.

Cartoon...the At-At guns are more then enough.

Movie....lol...yeah...guns will kill him and he's slowest in almost any incarnation except Smallville. Barring his most extreme high end speed, which takes him substantional time to accomplish.

The AT-AT guns won't have a chance at hitting him, though.

My vision of Clark on Hoth would be something like this. We've seen him punch people hard enough to send them through walls...while standing still. He could run around at 2000+ MPH slamming people with his fists, and the troopers wouldn't have a chance at getting in the compound.

The AT-AT's have no chance of hitting him at that speed (he'd practically be invisible), and the troopers would get wiped out pretty fast. I'd also expect he could body-slam the AT-ST's at full speed and take them out.

He could try a flying body slamm on the AT-AT, and hope to knock it down, but barring grabbing a tow cable and running around the walker, if that doesn't work then he can't take it out.

Though ripping off the AT-AT's hatch and tearing through from the inside might work well.

If Vader came down personally, he'd be in trouble though. Or if several troops got lucky shots in a row.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

Which Superman?

Smallville? Unknown.

Cartoon. Yes

Comic. Yes.

I would also add: Movies. Yes.

Since Smallville is a prequel to the movies/cartoons/comics, then we'll go with that. He can survive in space.

I'vee seen the Superman cartoon some and in that he is as far as I know always shown in a spacesuit or spacecraft. Though that doesn't necessarily mean he can't survive in vacuum for at least a few minutes.

I did a Google search. According to that, he gained more powerful abilities after his death and his body being reinfused with power to bring him back to life in the comics, and after that he was able to survive in space (no indication whether he could go in space for a short time before that, though).

That probably explains why it would take "hundreds of megatons" to kill in the later comics, and a lot less in the movies and smallville and cartoon.

Here's the quote:

At one point, Superman's powers greatly increased after his return from death (see Q16). His strength, speed, and vision powers were greater than before. He could also survive in space without oxygen for extended periods of time. Superman's powers increased because his exposure to Kryptonite passing through the Eradicator (see Q26) changed his metabolism (SUPERMAN #82, Oct.93). His strength grew to the point where it was nearly uncontrollable and he was a danger to everyone around him. Eventually, an encounter with the Parasite removed Superman's extra powers and reduced him to his normal levels (ADVENTURES #512, May 94). After the entire sequence, Superman's powers returned to their pre-Death levels with no net increase or decrease (ACTION #699, May 94).

It says "survive in space without oxygen for extended periods of time". Could he survive in space for short periods of time before? Dunno. From what you guys say, I'll have to go with 'yes'.

[Ghost Rider]

You would do well to compare the SPEED of the Snowspeeders vs Clark.

Then we can discuss whether or not the At-At have a chance.

That and add...I don't remember Clark EVER in Smallville achieveing KT level hits...which was needed in Rogue Squadrom books to hurt them.

And comics...he attained higher then GT level, and unless we're using that...pointless bit to bring up how he got energy from his return since he's gone through four different power ups since his 94...each making him more then capable of handling Hoth. In fact in more recent years...comic has shown him to go Interstellar at sub C speed. He can survive for YEARS in space according to Our Worlds At War.

[Praxis]

You would do well to compare the SPEED of the Snowspeeders vs Clark.

Then we can discuss whether or not the At-At have a chance.

Clark Kent moves fast enough that two people can be standing in a room and he can zip by right between them and snatch a vial on the desk in front of them without them seeing him (see Lex Luthor and Dr. Tang). I think that's faster than the Snowspeeders.

That and add...I don't remember Clark EVER in Smallville achieveing KT level hits...which was needed in Rogue Squadrom books to hurt them.

It was needed in Rogue Squadron to punch through the armor, however, ripping off the exit hatch takes a lot less power.

And comics...he attained higher then GT level, and unless we're using that...pointless bit to bring up how he got energy from his return since he's gone through four different power ups since his 94...each making him more then capable of handling Hoth. In fact in more recent years...comic has shown him to go Interstellar at sub C speed. He can survive for YEARS in space according to Our Worlds At War.

So basicly at Smallville levels he could take out everything on Hoth, except the AT-AT's (which is a maybe), and at comic book levels he'd completely own the Empire. Right?

[Ghost Rider]

You would do well to compare the SPEED of the Snowspeeders vs Clark.

Then we can discuss whether or not the At-At have a chance.

Clark Kent moves fast enough that two people can be standing in a room and he can zip by right between them and snatch a vial on the desk in front of them without them seeing him (see Lex Luthor and Dr. Tang). I think that's faster than the Snowspeeders.

Gotcha...no math.

That and add...I don't remember Clark EVER in Smallville achieveing KT level hits...which was needed in Rogue Squadrom books to hurt them.

It was needed in Rogue Squadron to punch through the armor, however, ripping off the exit hatch takes a lot less power.

Gotcha...no math

And comics...he attained higher then GT level, and unless we're using that...pointless bit to bring up how he got energy from his return since he's gone through four different power ups since his 94...each making him more then capable of handling Hoth. In fact in more recent years...comic has shown him to go Interstellar at sub C speed. He can survive for YEARS in space according to Our Worlds At War.

So basicly at Smallville levels he could take out everything on Hoth, except the AT-AT's (which is a maybe), and at comic book levels he'd completely own the Empire. Right?

Gotcha...no math.

You haven't proved he owns hoth.

And no the Empire assrapes him because he's not Petaton level endurance, and they can hit near c speed objects.

[Solauren]

Smallville Clark Kent
would be a holy terror to the Federation until someone finally just beamed him into a force field cell

on Coruscant, that would be interesting. He'd probably take down a few squadrons of stormtroopers, and possibly the odd Imperial Inquistor before Vader or the Emperor returned. Then say hello to Darth Kal-el

[Praxis]

Gotcha...no math.

I've given you estimates of his speed. Have any estimates of snowspeeder speed?

Gotcha...no math

How am I susposed to know how much power is needed to rip off a hatch?

Gotcha...no math.

You haven't proved he owns hoth.

The AT-AT's hard a hard time hitting snowspeeders, let alone hitting a much smaller person that can move so fast that he's practically invisible. There is no way they could hit him.

And no the Empire assrapes him because he's not Petaton level endurance, and they can hit near c speed objects.

There's no way he could take a heavy weapon hit (AT-AT blast, TL blast, TIE fighter cannon), but please provide proof that they could hit something moving at that speed.

A turbolaser bombardment would finish him quickly (they'd only miss by a tiny bit, but the blast radius would take him) though.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I think he would help the rebels, but there is no telling how much he would help. Again, an Imperial walker may be too heavy for him to throw and too armoured to punch through. Though he could stop the foot troopers just by speeding by and stealing their guns. Now Vader is a whole different story. The Force may kill him just as easily as Captian Needa.

An Imperial Walker being too heavy for Superman to throw? What, did they totally pussify Superman in Smallville? The idea is crazy to me.

Also, about your phasorized/vaporize. One's a real word the other isn't.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Can he survive the vacuum of space without a ship? If not that would be an easy way to dispatch him.

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

Which Superman?

Smallville? Unknown.

Cartoon. Yes

Comic. Yes.

Which comicverse? IIRC post-crisis Superman couldn't survive in space for very long time, because he still needs oxygen to breathe. For example, in The Kingdom he and Wonder Woman wore a breathing mask when they were having a conversation on an asteroid.

I never watch Smallville, though. Dunno', never like TV-series, non-cartoon superhero themes. How vulnerable Smallville Supes is? Is he more like John Byrne "not-that-invulnerable" post-crisis Supes, or the "totally invulnerable" Silver Age one?

[Ghost Rider]

I've been wondering this myself. He's never been in space in Smallville, and I never watched any of the Superman cartoons or read the comics.

Does anyone who has know if Superman can survive in space?

Which Superman?

Smallville? Unknown.

Cartoon. Yes

Comic. Yes.

Which comicverse? IIRC post-crisis Superman couldn't survive in space for very long time, because he still needs oxygen to breathe. For example, in The Kingdom he and Wonder Woman wore a breathing mask when they were having a conversation on an asteroid.

I never watch Smallville, though. Dunno', never like TV-series, non-cartoon superhero themes. How vulnerable Smallville Supes is? Is he more like John Byrne "not-that-invulnerable" post-crisis Supes, or the "totally invulnerable" Silver Age one?

Asteriods don't exactly have an atmosphere now do they . Sorta hard to Talk.

And in the canon DC universe....as in the core books. Everything else could be called apocrypha.

And Smalleville is below Byrne's vision.

[Ghost Rider]

Gotcha...no math.

I've given you estimates of his speed. Have any estimates of snowspeeder speed?

You did...must have missed where you noted that speed was in terms of 100m/s or 1 KM/s or 10 KM/s

Gotcha...no math

How am I susposed to know how much power is needed to rip off a hatch?

You made the argument. Not my place to go into you doing your work.

Gotcha...no math.

You haven't proved he owns hoth.

The AT-AT's hard a hard time hitting snowspeeders, let alone hitting a much smaller person that can move so fast that he's practically invisible. There is no way they could hit him.

That's why they hit individual troops near the end and destroyed most speeders at will.

And no the Empire assrapes him because he's not Petaton level endurance, and they can hit near c speed objects.

There's no way he could take a heavy weapon hit (AT-AT blast, TL blast, TIE fighter cannon), but please provide proof that they could hit something moving at that speed.

A turbolaser bombardment would finish him quickly (they'd only miss by a tiny bit, but the blast radius would take him) though.

Like I said...like that you make your assertions yet provide no math.

Want to keep yup the thought of not providing Burden of Proof as you're the one going "He'll own the Empire at HOTH!!!" in the Smallville scenario, and you're now making the assertion he'll own the Empire because they can't hit his size of object....because why again?

Oh wait, it's your opinion.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

And Smalleville is below Byrne's vision.

Uh... I don't quite get it Does it mean SM Supes is stronger or weaker than post-crisis Supes?

[Ghost Rider]

And Smalleville is below Byrne's vision.

Uh... I don't quite get it Does it mean SM Supes is stronger or weaker than post-crisis Supes?

Lot weaker.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

And Smalleville is below Byrne's vision.

Uh... I don't quite get it Does it mean SM Supes is stronger or weaker than post-crisis Supes?

Lot weaker.

So wouldn't it be safe to say that Imperial Forces can hurt SM Supes? I don't really recall Byrne's Supes invulnerability levels, though, but I guess he's pretty vulnerable (in Death of Superman novel, it was mentioned that professor Emil Hamilton was hired by Luthor to create some sort of beam weapon strong enough to hurt Supes, IIRC). Any details?