Stalemate Strategy for the Feds

[Tommy J]

I was thinking last night of a possible scenario after running into Insurrection while channel surfing yesterday. While it's obvious that the Federation is out numbered 1 million to 1 in any combat situation what if they were to try the following to get the Empire to stand down in a conflict:


Using Mike's Fanfic as the basis for discussion:

*A team from Section 31 as well as a garrison mans a cloaked ship and heads for the wormhole and Courscant after identifying the potential threat and before the Romulan action.

*Entering Empire space they proceed cloaked to Courscant

*Upon arriving at the planet they put on the personal cloaking devices as seen in Insurrection.

*Several hundred ST Officers and Agents from Section 31 while cloaked transport to the planet and place cloaked mines at strategic command and control structures and large spcial weapons at key locations throughout the planet.

*They enter the Imperial Senate cloaked and locate the Emperor's Throne room while simulateneously entering the Senate while in session

*About 50 Officers decloak while armed taking the Emperor hostage and negating his extra powers in sheer numbers.

*200-300 Officers decloak in the Senate at the same time and take control of the building.

*A communication is sent to Empire forces on the otherside of the wormhole demanding that the Empire stand-down and cease and desist w/o any hositatlities against any Federation planet or interest.

*In doing so, they demonstrate their resolve by blowing up several civilian areas of Courscant and key command and control locations.

*The Emperor is held hostage awaiting and Imperial response in the Alpha Quadrant.

While this scenario wouldn't necessarily win the war it may be an effective enough demonstration to the Empire that the Alpha Quadrant isn't worth the trouble.

What does everyone think?

[Ghost Rider]

Given it requires Mike extremely toned down version of the Empire which he did so the fanfic would be intresting, would only work in that particular situation.

And this refers to that the cloak would likely get detected by some roving patrol vessel in the outer rim let alone Coruscant.

Cloaked mine that unless they are greater then the payload of more then a 10 galaxy class starships to make a dent in the military vessels around Coruscant.

And finally the Emperor is more then able to destroy some puny being when it suits him and has shown more often then not that it's his planning is why he gets captured, not because he was overpowered...and if you can get past the 20 Imperial Guardsman and Vader, you still have an old man who is more then capable of killing 50 men with a flick of his hand.

[Vympel]

I was thinking last night of a possible scenario after running into Insurrection while channel surfing yesterday. While it's obvious that the Federation is out numbered 1 million to 1 in any combat situation what if they were to try the following to get the Empire to stand down in a conflict:


Using Mike's Fanfic as the basis for discussion:

*A team from Section 31 as well as a garrison mans a cloaked ship and heads for the wormhole and Courscant after identifying the potential threat and before the Romulan action.

*Entering Empire space they proceed cloaked to Courscant

Problem No. #1: Where is the wormhole in relation to Coruscant, and can they get there before it's all over?

*Upon arriving at the planet they put on the personal cloaking devices as seen in Insurrection.

Problem No. #2: These things are a large scale central hologram system, which rely on a facility (also "cloaked) to operate. How many can it support at one time?

*Several hundred ST Officers and Agents from Section 31 while cloaked transport to the planet and place cloaked mines at strategic command and control structures and large spcial weapons at key locations throughout the planet.

Problem No. #3: Even assuming that Stormtroopers won't be able to perceive these guys with their helmet imaging systems, Coruscant is just one planet in an Empire of "a million systems", lost C&C structures etc. won't do much to stop anything.

*They enter the Imperial Senate cloaked and locate the Emperor's Throne room while simulateneously entering the Senate while in session

The Emperor's Palace is not the Imperial Senate. The Imperial Senate wa also disbanded in ANH.

*About 50 Officers decloak while armed taking the Emperor hostage and negating his extra powers in sheer numbers.

What about his Royal Guards? We know from the ROTJ novelization that they have "electrically modifed viewscreens" in their helmets- another wildcard. There's also a myriad of security droids and systems (see the Death Star detention block) that could perceive these guys, even if they were truly cloaked.

*200-300 Officers decloak in the Senate at the same time and take control of the building.

See above.

*A communication is sent to Empire forces on the otherside of the wormhole demanding that the Empire stand-down and cease and desist w/o any hositatlities against any Federation planet or interest.

*In doing so, they demonstrate their resolve by blowing up several civilian areas of Courscant and key command and control locations.

*The Emperor is held hostage awaiting and Imperial response in the Alpha Quadrant.

While this scenario wouldn't necessarily win the war it may be an effective enough demonstration to the Empire that the Alpha Quadrant isn't worth the trouble.

What does everyone think?

It relies on an "iffy" cloaking system that probably isn't anything of the sort as well as a dearth of security systems that couldn't perceive it. In addition, there's also the Emperor's foresight to consider, though this isn't guaranteed.

[Darth Fanboy]

*A communication is sent to Empire forces on the otherside of the wormhole demanding that the Empire stand-down and cease and desist w/o any hositatlities against any Federation planet or interest.

Imperial officers laugh heads off, instances of nasal expulsions of liquid dairy product increase a hundred fold.

*In doing so, they demonstrate their resolve by blowing up several civilian areas of Courscant and key command and control locations.

Which turns the laughter into a very pissed off Empire who is more prone to retribution than complacency. Ever hear of a little planet called Toprawa?

*The Emperor is held hostage awaiting and Imperial response in the Alpha Quadrant.

Force Powers > Pajama-clad Federation Officers. Its only a question as to wether Palpatine uses Force Lightning, some sort of Mind Trick to get the officers shooting each other, or pinches off crucial arteries running to the brain.

While this scenario wouldn't necessarily win the war it may be an effective enough demonstration to the Empire that the Alpha Quadrant isn't worth the trouble.

Or get every Federation planet BDZ'ed. What do you expect the feds do afterwards? Lets say by some miracle Palpatine is addicted to pastries and the Feds incapacitate him with a box of Krispy Kremes. Do the feds hand him back? if they do , Palpy will just go after them, going back on any "deal". If they Keep him prisoner, the Empire will hold Earth Hostage or some other planet under threat of bombardment, if they kill him, The Empire (especially Vader) invades on the pretext of revenge. Your scenario makes things worse for the Feds, in my opinion.

[CJvR]

The only covert ops that could save the Feds would be the assassination of Palpatine, and preferably Vader as well.

Unfortunately he is the most heavily guarded target in the Empire even without his force ability. You do remember the Jedi, and probably the Sith as well, use to train swatting laserbolts with their eyes closed? Not much good to be cloaked against such foes. Also cloaking isn't a mystery to the Empire, just because the "Pax über alles" Feds don't do something about the danger of cloaked intruders doesn't mean the professional paranoids in the Empire will have the same mental defect.

Also public terrorism is something, perhaps the only thing, that would unite large parts of the Galaxy to the Imperial banners - turning the colonial war into a pest extermination mission. Setting of a Genesis device or some other WMD that do not require dangerous direct access is a better idea but against Imperial level defences and Sith abilities there is no way to be sure that even that would work.

[Tommy J]

Problem No. #1: Where is the wormhole in relation to Coruscant, and can they get there before it's all over?

We have to suspend disbelief in this scenario and believe that the Worm Hole is within a 1-Day Warp 9 Proximity of Courscant.

Problem No. #2: These things are a large scale central hologram system, which rely on a facility (also "cloaked) to operate. How many can it support at one time?

We have to assume that the cloaked ship would have sufficient energy to support a large scale hologram system. Since we don't know the # it can support based on canon evidence it's unknown.

Problem No. #3: Even assuming that Stormtroopers won't be able to perceive these guys with their helmet imaging systems, Coruscant is just one planet in an Empire of "a million systems", lost C&C structures etc. won't do much to stop anything.

This part is understood. It's assumed that for the purpose of this scenario that the Empire would be unwilling to stomach the murder of its entire leadership

(I was kind of thinking of it on the scale of the Taliban capturing the entire US Senate and House while at the same time capturing the White House and holding our entire government for ransom to get out of the Middle East)

The Emperor's Palace is not the Imperial Senate. The Imperial Senate wa also disbanded in ANH.

It's assume for this scenario that they are in the same building at the same time.

What about his Royal Guards? We know from the ROTJ novelization that they have "electrically modifed viewscreens" in their helmets- another wildcard. There's also a myriad of security droids and systems (see the Death Star detention block) that could perceive these guys, even if they were truly cloaked.

Being cloaked provides for a substantial tactical advantage over an ordinary solider, so one would assume they'd pick them off because they can't be seen. Regarding viewscreens, since it's not in Mike's fanfic I didn't consider it.

It relies on an "iffy" cloaking system that probably isn't anything of the sort as well as a dearth of security systems that couldn't perceive it. In addition, there's also the Emperor's foresight to consider, though this isn't guaranteed.

It is SW canon that the Emperor sometimes is unable to forsee his own attackers.


There's a couple other problems in my own argument that I'm aware of:

1. The Federation has never proven willing to abandon all its morals and kill civilians on a large scale as a demonstration.

So for this concept we have to assume they've abandoned all of their morals out of extreme paranoia of extermination.


2. We've never seen the Federation willing to hold people hostage to attain a political objective.

Same as above

3. The ability of the Emperor to kill large #'s of troops using the force is unknown. Begs the question despite this, how many Fed operatives would be needed to 'overwhelm him?' At some point their seems to be diminishing returns on his ability to kill in mass a large contigent of people.

4. This predisposes that like in Vietnam for the US or in Afghanastan for the Soviet Union, the use of terror is effective in ending hostilities because it just becomes too costly and irrelevant to continue a massive military campagin with negligible long term value to the Empire.

5. This predisposes that outside of Section 31 which has demonstrated the willingness to violate basic Fed law, large numbers of Star Fleet Officers would also abandon their principles.

[Tommy J]

Cloaked mine that unless they are greater then the payload of more then a 10 galaxy class starships to make a dent in the military vessels around Coruscant.

In my scenario they don't even engage Star Destroyers and/or any other orbiting ship protecting the planet since the Feds are out gunned. The entire concept is more cloak and dagger aimed at holding the entire government for ransom thus eliminating the need for a fleet engagement.

This of course assumes that the Empire would be unable to detect the ships through the cloak.

And finally the Emperor is more then able to destroy some puny being when it suits him and has shown more often then not that it's his planning is why he gets captured, not because he was overpowered...and if you can get past the 20 Imperial Guardsman and Vader, you still have an old man who is more then capable of killing 50 men with a flick of his hand.

At some point it seems to me that even someone would super natural powers would be unable to deflect a sufficient number of people without such.

(The most apt analogy would be Zulu tribesmen in mass attacking a single person with a M-16 Rifle. In over whelming numbers at some point even the person with the M-16 would be unable to repel a human wave.)

[Ghost Rider]

Problem No. #1: Where is the wormhole in relation to Coruscant, and can they get there before it's all over?

We have to suspend disbelief in this scenario and believe that the Worm Hole is within a 1-Day Warp 9 Proximity of Courscant.

That close to an Core system and it's not swamred by Imperial Ships is akin to saying it's a day from Earth and the Federation hasn't sent 2 billion probes to see what the hell it was.

Problem No. #3: Even assuming that Stormtroopers won't be able to perceive these guys with their helmet imaging systems, Coruscant is just one planet in an Empire of "a million systems", lost C&C structures etc. won't do much to stop anything.

This part is understood. It's assumed that for the purpose of this scenario that the Empire would be unwilling to stomach the murder of its entire leadership

(I was kind of thinking of it on the scale of the Taliban capturing the entire US Senate and House while at the same time capturing the White House and holding our entire government for ransom to get out of the Middle East)

Ummmm...sure they would. They are power hungry bastards that would love to see Palpatine or Vader killed as a oppurtunity to grab power.

In fact in Empire #1-4 this scenario was thought up by high level moffs.

The Emperor's Palace is not the Imperial Senate. The Imperial Senate wa also disbanded in ANH.

It's assume for this scenario that they are in the same building at the same time.

Try to stick with something that is canon because then there would nothing to debate sicne you are making the entire thing as you go along.

What about his Royal Guards? We know from the ROTJ novelization that they have "electrically modifed viewscreens" in their helmets- another wildcard. There's also a myriad of security droids and systems (see the Death Star detention block) that could perceive these guys, even if they were truly cloaked.

Being cloaked provides for a substantial tactical advantage over an ordinary solider, so one would assume they'd pick them off because they can't be seen. Regarding viewscreens, since it's not in Mike's fanfic I didn't consider it.

Once again, even because it's not in his fanfic, he does use a extremely low end calcs for canon. The rest he likely would keep unless it was to extend the story. No reason to add extra factors because Mike fanfic didn't explcitly say so.

Once again, he is following canon except where it suits him to extend story.

It relies on an "iffy" cloaking system that probably isn't anything of the sort as well as a dearth of security systems that couldn't perceive it. In addition, there's also the Emperor's foresight to consider, though this isn't guaranteed.

It is SW canon that the Emperor sometimes is unable to forsee his own attackers.

He forsaw his fall in RoTJ, but in fact he ignored it because of his overwhelming arrogance.

There's a couple other problems in my own argument that I'm aware of:

1. The Federation has never proven willing to abandon all its morals and kill civilians on a large scale as a demonstration.

So for this concept we have to assume they've abandoned all of their morals out of extreme paranoia of extermination.

So they also abandon the fear of being exterminated to the last man, woman and child too?

Because that would be the consequences of said action.

2. We've never seen the Federation willing to hold people hostage to attain a political objective.

Same as above

Same as above

3. The ability of the Emperor to kill large #'s of troops using the force is unknown. Begs the question despite this, how many Fed operatives would be needed to 'overwhelm him?' At some point their seems to be diminishing returns on his ability to kill in mass a large contigent of people.

Empire #4 he killed a group of twenty Stormtroopers with a single wave...given there armor and what they are, give your thoughts on the matter of how many. Plus Vader has shown easily to take on more then 50 people.

4. This predisposes that like in Vietnam for the US or in Afghanastan for the Soviet Union, the use of terror is effective in ending hostilities because it just becomes too costly and irrelevant to continue a massive military campagin with negligible long term value to the Empire.

Equating the Empire who are easily disposed to destroying WORLDS to prove their point vs the US is a poor red herring.

If the US was predisposed to using Nukes to solve their problems would be a better analogy, but since they don't.

5. This predisposes that outside of Section 31 which has demonstrated the willingness to violate basic Fed law, large numbers of Star Fleet Officers would also abandon their principles.

And?

They would damn the Entire Federation to a flaming death for doing this because to the next ruler of the Empire destroying that foul entity would took our beloved Emperor would be the way to go and it's great for propaganda.

[Lord of the Farce]

At some point it seems to me that even someone would super natural powers would be unable to deflect a sufficient number of people without such.

(The most apt analogy would be Zulu tribesmen in mass attacking a single person with a M-16 Rifle. In over whelming numbers at some point even the person with the M-16 would be unable to repel a human wave.)

You're pretty much assuming here that the Emperor would simply stand on the spot in the focal point of massed fire. More likely, he would convince the Feddies to believe that he is still lounging in his chair, while he calmly walks off to tell his guards that there's some pests to be removed from his throne room.

[Tommy J]

Ummmm...sure they would. They are power hungry bastards that would love to see Palpatine or Vader killed as a oppurtunity to grab power.

I concede you're right. I thought however that the Emperor had some sort of 'control' over the Military in terms of the force that made them stay loyal; And during ROTJ when Palpatine was engaged with Vader and Skywalker and distracted the Rebels were able to punch a line. Thus,in his distraction the Rebels were able to win.

In fact in Empire #1-4 this scenario was thought up by high level moffs.

Unaware of that

Try to stick with something that is canon because then there would nothing to debate sicne you are making the entire thing as you go along.

Of course I am.

Once again, even because it's not in his fanfic, he does use a extremely low end calcs for canon. The rest he likely would keep unless it was to extend the story. No reason to add extra factors because Mike fanfic didn't explcitly say so.

Understood.

He forsaw his fall in RoTJ, but in fact he ignored it because of his overwhelming arrogance.

Would it be unreasonable to assume the same here as well?

So they also abandon the fear of being exterminated to the last man, woman and child too?

Because that would be the consequences of said action.

Again it's a stalemate scenario akin to Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network capturing the entire House, Senate and White House while the entire leadership is in session.

And?

I'm just admitting some of the holes in my own scenario.

They would damn the Entire Federation to a flaming death for doing this because to the next ruler of the Empire destroying that foul entity would took our beloved Emperor would be the way to go and it's great for propaganda.

You're probably right of course but this is just for fun and as an intellectual excersise come up with any way in which the Federation would even the playing field a little more than it currently is.

Also you'll note, unlike the typical Trek Boys, I don't argue fire power, the already overwhelming numerical superority, speed superority of the Empire. The piteful Afghan army wore down the Dictatorship of the Soviet union and their vastly superior military might over time.

Lest us not forgot that the Roman Empire was defeated by an inferior army using some what similar tactics when the Visigoths sacked Rome which was undefended due to their arrogrance and belief in their supremeness.

[Tommy J]

You're pretty much assuming here that the Emperor would simply stand on the spot in the focal point of massed fire. More likely, he would convince the Feddies to believe that he is still lounging in his chair, while he calmly walks off to tell his guards that there's some pests to be removed from his throne room.

My assumption is that using the cloaking devices a la Insurrection they'd take him completely by suprise and in overwhelming numbers would be able to capture him thus diminshing the Force as a way to stop.

This presupposes as I'm aware that no-one to include the Emperor is aware of their presence and that the cloaks work perfectly. It also presupposes that the Guards are unable to somehow see the Feddies through some some of electronic device.

[Ghost Rider]

While the Romans were destroyed, they were in decline for a number of years and their power was no where near the disparity that the Federation vs the Empire.

This would be saying could the huns take over Modern America.

Literally given we are proposing end all tactics, the Federation would truly have to take in the consequences of having a very angry Empire coming at them and also giving their new leader a perfect reason to exterminate them.

A little hard for any oppostion leader to swallow knowing that while you may hurt the enemy; your opponent's next strike will wipe you from the universe.

[Tommy J]

Literally given we are proposing end all tactics, the Federation would truly have to take in the consequences of having a very angry Empire coming at them and also giving their new leader a perfect reason to exterminate them.

Yup, they are 'end game' tactics as proposed by Michaevelli. I was reading a military article regarding an inferior military attacking a superior one, and in his and in any quasi intelligent person's opinion this was the only solution.

A little hard for any oppostion leader to swallow knowing that while you may hurt the enemy; your opponent's next strike will wipe you from the universe.

The gamble in an end game tactic committed by an inferior army in this scenario is that the Empire would hold the Federation Government responsbile and execute all of them w/o holding the civilian's responsible. In so doing they exact retribution against the attackers only to conclude that future terrorist attacks would be inevitable, thus it's not worth the effort so they withdrawl.

The key for this to succeed, is some organization like Section 31 comes to the conclusion that the Fed's complete inferiority perciptates a different tactic.

[Praxis]

I was thinking last night of a possible scenario after running into Insurrection while channel surfing yesterday. While it's obvious that the Federation is out numbered 1 million to 1 in any combat situation what if they were to try the following to get the Empire to stand down in a conflict:


Using Mike's Fanfic as the basis for discussion:

*A team from Section 31 as well as a garrison mans a cloaked ship and heads for the wormhole and Courscant after identifying the potential threat and before the Romulan action.

*Entering Empire space they proceed cloaked to Courscant

Using Mike's Fanfic, the wormhole is on the Outer Rim. It would take a Federation ship about 40 years at warp speed to reach it, IF they knew where it was.

*Upon arriving at the planet they put on the personal cloaking devices as seen in Insurrection.

Forty years later. At this point, the Star Trek galaxy has been completely conquered, and while the Federation has ordered them back, the slow speed of Federation communications means they haven't recieved the signal

*Several hundred ST Officers and Agents from Section 31 while cloaked transport to the planet and place cloaked mines at strategic command and control structures and large spcial weapons at key locations throughout the planet.

*They enter the Imperial Senate cloaked and locate the Emperor's Throne room while simulateneously entering the Senate while in session

*About 50 Officers decloak while armed taking the Emperor hostage and negating his extra powers in sheer numbers.

*200-300 Officers decloak in the Senate at the same time and take control of the building.

*A communication is sent to Empire forces on the otherside of the wormhole demanding that the Empire stand-down and cease and desist w/o any hositatlities against any Federation planet or interest.

*In doing so, they demonstrate their resolve by blowing up several civilian areas of Courscant and key command and control locations.

*The Emperor is held hostage awaiting and Imperial response in the Alpha Quadrant.

While this scenario wouldn't necessarily win the war it may be an effective enough demonstration to the Empire that the Alpha Quadrant isn't worth the trouble.

What does everyone think?

HAHAHAROFLHAHA...
Sorry, that last bit...the Emperor, hold hostage? THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT RIPPED APART A STAR DESTROYER WITH THE FORCE. Federation redshirts? Holding him hostage? Those he didn't vaporize with force lightning he'd crush like bugs with the force.

[Praxis]

While the Romans were destroyed, they were in decline for a number of years and their power was no where near the disparity that the Federation vs the Empire.

This would be saying could the huns take over Modern America.

Literally given we are proposing end all tactics, the Federation would truly have to take in the consequences of having a very angry Empire coming at them and also giving their new leader a perfect reason to exterminate them.

A little hard for any oppostion leader to swallow knowing that while you may hurt the enemy; your opponent's next strike will wipe you from the universe.

The huns are far more ruthless than the Federation

[Tommy J]

Using Mike's Fanfic, the wormhole is on the Outer Rim. It would take a Federation ship about 40 years at warp speed to reach it, IF they knew where it was.

As stated earlier for this purpose of this scenario we have to change that 1 minor detail in favor of the Wormhole being within a 1-day warp 9 vicinity of Courscant.

However, if we don't you're right.

HAHAHAROFLHAHA...
Sorry, that last bit...the Emperor, hold hostage? THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT RIPPED APART A STAR DESTROYER WITH THE FORCE. Federation redshirts? Holding him hostage? Those he didn't vaporize with force lightning he'd crush like bugs with the force.

I don't recall in any movies him destroying a Star Destroyer with the force. Regardless, being completely suprised by the Feds and in overwhelming numerical force in person, it would seem to me at some point negate his use of the force.

(see my Zulu/ M-16 analogy above)

[Tommy J]

The huns are far more ruthless than the Federation

That's another part of the suspension of disbelief in this scenario -- Section 31 as well as a few hundred SF Officers have completely abandoned their Fed principles and are ruthless w/o remorse in their tactics and execution.

[NecronLord]

They locate the Emperor's throne room.

Alas, at the last second, the doors snap shut and they're left for the Imperial Guard to kill. Unfortunately, the Emperor is a clairvoyantl

[Praxis]

Using Mike's Fanfic, the wormhole is on the Outer Rim. It would take a Federation ship about 40 years at warp speed to reach it, IF they knew where it was.

As stated earlier for this purpose of this scenario we have to change that 1 minor detail in favor of the Wormhole being within a 1-day warp 9 vicinity of Courscant.

However, if we don't you're right.

HAHAHAROFLHAHA...
Sorry, that last bit...the Emperor, hold hostage? THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT RIPPED APART A STAR DESTROYER WITH THE FORCE. Federation redshirts? Holding him hostage? Those he didn't vaporize with force lightning he'd crush like bugs with the force.

I don't recall in any movies him destroying a Star Destroyer with the force. Regardless, being completely suprised by the Feds and in overwhelming numerical force in person, it would seem to me at some point negate his use of the force.

(see my Zulu/ M-16 analogy above)

Okay, for part 1:

How are they going to beam through the planetary shields onto Coruscant?
How are they going to beam down while cloaked?
How are they going to avoid the CGT sensors on the Golan platforms defending Coruscant, which would pick up cloaked ships?
How are they going to know the defenses of the Emperor's palace, and where to beam down?
How can individuals cloak (we've never seen that kind of ability)? The Stormtroopers would be mowing down the SF officers.
What prevents the Empire from detecting the transport and following up on it?

For part 2:
Why wouldn't the Emperor's chambers be sealed?
Why wouldn't his force danger senses detect danger?
Why wouldn't he sense people in the room with him, even if they were cloaked?
Why couldn't he mind trick anyone?
Why can't he use the force to smash everyone in the room at once?
Why wouldn't he seal the door when he was attacked?

And as for the SD-torn-apart reference, that was the Dark Empire comics (the only comics considered part of the continuity). The Emperor created a force storm powerful enough to warp ships away, and Luke threw his power into it to cause the Emperor to lose control and it destroyed his *SUPER Star Destroyer*.

[Tommy J]

Firstly we're just having fun with this as another possible scenario. Obviously I hadn't worked out all the details so lets agree upfront this is all in good fun. Furthermore, in any traditional battle with the Empire, I already agree they would kick the shit out of the Fed. Lastly, I'm making some broad based assumptions of heretofore unseen or unheard of tactics by the Federation

That being said and we suspend our disblief on a few things, I don't think it's completely inplausable


Okay, for part 1:

How are they going to beam through the planetary shields onto Coruscant?
How are they going to beam down while cloaked?

A planet that size with a population that size must have a lot of traffic entering and leaving the atmosphere all the time. Thus the Feddie's would time beam downs as the shields are dropped for other in going and out going regular traffic.

How are they going to avoid the CGT sensors on the Golan platforms defending Coruscant, which would pick up cloaked ships?

It's assumed for this scenario that the cloak is 'perfect' for lack of a better word and they don't detect them.

Obviously if they did, they're finished, game over.

How are they going to know the defenses of the Emperor's palace, and where to beam down?

Since their is human populations on the planet, through some general reconissance and inquires with the indenginious population it probably wouldn't be difficult to ascertain.

How can individuals cloak (we've never seen that kind of ability)?

Reference ST Insurrection where SF personnel cloaked themselves to Duck Blind the Baku.

The Stormtroopers would be mowing down the SF officers.
What prevents the Empire from detecting the transport and following up on it?

It's assumed that the Empire would be unfamiliar with transporter technoloogy at this point and thus unable to detect such.

For part 2:
Why wouldn't the Emperor's chambers be sealed?

Transporters solve this problem nicely. Albiet, I do admit that finding the exact location to beam to is a more difficult problem.

Why wouldn't his force danger senses detect danger?

It's been demonstrated before that his precognitive abilities don't always detect his own danger.

Why wouldn't he sense people in the room with him, even if they were cloaked?

See above

Why couldn't he mind trick anyone?

It's a possibility, but again in my example the Feddie's are using overwhelming force on one individual.

Why can't he use the force to smash everyone in the room at once?

See above

Why wouldn't he seal the door when he was attacked?

He would, they're transporting directly into the throne room.

And as for the SD-torn-apart reference, that was the Dark Empire comics (the only comics considered part of the continuity). The Emperor created a force storm powerful enough to warp ships away, and Luke threw his power into it to cause the Emperor to lose control and it destroyed his *SUPER Star Destroyer*.

I've never read any of the comics -- that's interesting.

[The Cleric]

It's a possibility, but again in my example the Feddie's are using overwhelming force on one individual.

No, "overwhemling force" would be the population of the Alpha Quadrant. You put a pathetic number of underpowered troops against the man that is physically capable of holding off Vader or Luke.

[NecronLord]

No, "overwhemling force" would be the population of the Alpha Quadrant. You put a pathetic number of underpowered troops against the man that is physically capable of holding off Vader or Luke.

Straight up fight, Luke would beat the Emperor. He can destroy the Emperor, remember? Recall that Luke is the most powerful force user in recorded history.

[The Cleric]

No, "overwhemling force" would be the population of the Alpha Quadrant. You put a pathetic number of underpowered troops against the man that is physically capable of holding off Vader or Luke.

Straight up fight, Luke would beat the Emperor. He can destroy the Emperor, remember? Recall that Luke is the most powerful force user in recorded history.

Yeah, I guess so. Still. The difference between Palpy/Luke vs. Palpy/Feds is like a 20MT/25MT nuke vs. a 20MT nuke/stick of TNT.

[ANGELUS]

We have to assume that the cloaked ship would have sufficient energy to support a large scale hologram system. Since we don't know the # it can support based on canon evidence it's unknown.

It's assume for this scenario that they are in the same building at the same time.

Being cloaked provides for a substantial tactical advantage over an ordinary solider, so one would assume they'd pick them off because they can't be seen. Regarding viewscreens, since it's not in Mike's fanfic I didn't consider it.

This of course assumes that the Empire would be unable to detect the ships through the cloak.

Would it be unreasonable to assume the same here as well?

My assumption is that using the cloaking devices a la Insurrection they'd take him completely by suprise and in overwhelming numbers would be able to capture him thus diminshing the Force as a way to stop.

It's assumed for this scenario that the cloak is 'perfect' for lack of a better word and they don't detect them.

It's assumed that the Empire would be unfamiliar with transporter technoloogy at this point and thus unable to detect such.

To quote Nute Gunray: You assume too much

Besides, even if all this scenario of yours worked, and the emperor couldn't forsee that the feds were coming, he would be able to kill them all as soon as they showed up in the throne room.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

And as for the SD-torn-apart reference, that was the Dark Empire comics (the only comics considered part of the continuity).

Actually, that's not true. The only Dark Horse SW comics not considered part of official continuity are the "Tales" short stories and the "Infinities" titles.

Hell, I think most of the Marvel comics are still considered official.