ship comparison

Blazican · Post by **Blazican** » 2005-02-16 10:11am

i got finished reading the "conquest" which i really think is a great story, i really liked the fact that in reality the story wasnt too much on the side of the Empire or Star Trek. As i read through the story i tried to imagine the possible size comparison of the ships that would fight each other in the battles and it was very hard for me to imagine it. i came across this page and fund this cpmparison chart. http://www.stminutiae.com/misc/comparison.gif i dont know how accurate this chart is but as i can see, a star destroyer is pretty small compared to a borg cube and im wondering how the hell it can take one out on its own. i was also suprised at the size difference between the Babylon 5 White star and the Star Trek Cap ships. if anyone has any other ship size comparers out there let me know i would really like to get an idea about sizes of the ships.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-02-16 10:15am

Size matters not when your guns are a multitude higher than the other one

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2005-02-16 01:08pm

That link ain't working for me.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-16 02:00pm

Enola Straight wrote:That link ain't working for me.

Put a '-' inbetween 'st' and 'minutiae'

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-16 02:02pm

Blazican wrote:as i can see, a star destroyer is pretty small compared to a borg cube and im wondering how the hell it can take one out on its own.

maybe the same way relatively small S-8472 bioships did?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-02-16 02:06pm

That is really good scaling work.
And it even says "Executor-Class"!
Wow.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-02-16 02:48pm

It's a shame that doesn't have smaller-scale comparisons... it's damn hard to see some of the ships, especially the smaller ones. Still awesome, though...

Blazican · Post by **Blazican** » 2005-02-16 03:03pm

im not sying size is a big factor its just that the size diference is huge when you compare the two, i mean a cube should be able to take a lot of damge is what im getting at. i dont know much about s-8472 to really make an opinion so ill just shake my head and agree.

buzz_knox · Post by **buzz_knox** » 2005-02-16 03:08pm

Size really doesn't matter if the technology disparity is too great. HMS Victory was far larger than a missile patrol boat, just as the Yamato was far larger than a Los Angeles class boat. But do you think that size gave the larger vessel the slightest chance for survival, or to even take their attacker with them to the grave?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2005-02-16 03:10pm

You should have a look at the charts on the alt.startrek.vs.starwars Fanfic Archive.

In particular, you can check out this chart for another Borg Cube comparison...

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-16 03:15pm

OMMFG...!
I knew the ships in SW were bigger, but DAMN!!! This puts a whole new perspective on the way I looked at SW vs. ST.

I'm going to cut and paste this thing tonight, just to whittle away the Non Wars and Trek ships and make wallpaper out of it. Thank you so much for posting that.

I would also like to make one with a Death Star, but there's two problems: If I change the scale, I'm afraid some of the ships will be too small to see. If I keep the current scaling...*GACK!* I shudder to think of the size of that File.

And then there's the DS II...

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-02-16 03:18pm

Crayz9000 wrote:In particular, you can check out this chart for another Borg Cube comparison...

Got a high-res version of that gif? I zoom in and I can't see the text clearly at all.

Brian

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-16 03:27pm

Thanks...I followed the links. Holy cow. I think I'll pass on my Death Star Project using the scale of the picture in the OP. And since other scales have already been done...I'll just work on my Wallpaper.

Blazican · Post by **Blazican** » 2005-02-16 04:30pm

thanks for the links, i mean as you guys can see a borg cube is pretty big compared to star destroyers. i was really blown away when i saw the charts, i thought for sure the borg ships where actually smaller then star destroyers but since they only attack one ship first i can see how they were obliterated. if they picked their own targets i dont think the empire would stand a chance (im not a star trek fan) i mean when you think about it going toe to toe star destroyers lose, what do you guys think?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-02-16 04:40pm

Blazican wrote:im not sying size is a big factor its just that the size diference is huge when you compare the two, i mean a cube should be able to take a lot of damge is what im getting at. i dont know much about s-8472 to really make an opinion so ill just shake my head and agree.

If you've ever seen STFC or "Scorpion", you would know that Borg ships are mostly hollow on the inside. Their size is deceptive (and we know that ISds are not mostly hollow on the inside).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-02-16 04:41pm

SW firepower is literally nearly a thousand times that of ST. An ISD could blow out a Borg Cube's shields and destroy it with a single shot.

Blazican · Post by **Blazican** » 2005-02-16 04:54pm

ok so they are very hollow on the inside. well i guess that would explain it. but thanks for the replies guys.

Blazican · Post by **Blazican** » 2005-02-16 05:06pm

also on that chart i have at the top has a tactical cube, are they basically the same design? were both used in the "conquest" story? are they both called cubes or are the tactical cubes called something else? are they still hollow and heavily armed or built less holow and have heavy armour? also how many weapons do they have all around?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-02-16 05:16pm

The Tactical Cabes with armor are also called "Call IV Tactical Cube".

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2005-02-16 05:18pm

Those charts made me have a new respect for the way the Dominion built their ships. (I've never seen any episode involving them

) They look pretty close to the Star Destroyer shape and appearence.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-16 05:21pm

Anyone got a link comparising the DS2 with unimatrix01?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2005-02-16 05:25pm

brianeyci wrote:Got a high-res version of that gif? I zoom in and I can't see the text clearly at all.

Brian

Yup, there's a lower-scale version

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-02-16 05:44pm

Blazican wrote:thanks for the links, i mean as you guys can see a borg cube is pretty big compared to star destroyers. i was really blown away when i saw the charts, i thought for sure the borg ships where actually smaller then star destroyers but since they only attack one ship first i can see how they were obliterated. if they picked their own targets i dont think the empire would stand a chance (im not a star trek fan) i mean when you think about it going toe to toe star destroyers lose, what do you guys think?

Let me put it this way. A tactical nuclear warhead packs far more firepower than a big block of foam 100 times its volume. That is how big the firepower difference is between an ISD and a Borg Cube. If a single ISD was pissed off, it could tear through Borg Cubes by the hundreds like a hot knife through butter. Star Wars > Borg, period.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-02-16 05:51pm

Lone_Prodigy wrote:
Blazican wrote:thanks for the links, i mean as you guys can see a borg cube is pretty big compared to star destroyers. i was really blown away when i saw the charts, i thought for sure the borg ships where actually smaller then star destroyers but since they only attack one ship first i can see how they were obliterated. if they picked their own targets i dont think the empire would stand a chance (im not a star trek fan) i mean when you think about it going toe to toe star destroyers lose, what do you guys think?
Let me put it this way. A tactical nuclear warhead packs far more firepower than a big block of foam 100 times its volume. That is how big the firepower difference is between an ISD and a Borg Cube. If a single ISD was pissed off, it could tear through Borg Cubes by the hundreds like a hot knife through butter. Star Wars > Borg, period.

What do you base that on?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-02-16 05:53pm

An ISD's firepower and refire rates.

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

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