Star Trek vs Star Wars: The Fans

Jaepheth · Post by **Jaepheth** » 2005-03-04 12:05pm

On average, which franchise inspires the most fanatic loyalty amongst its fans?
What is it about that franchise that is so successful in creating zealots?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-03-04 01:17pm

On the one hand, we have ST, headed by Berman and Braga, two of the most hated men in fandom, who have crushed the franchise into an unimaginitive pulp of crap.

On the other hand, we have George "I am a god" Lucas who has repeatedly told the fans that he doesn't give a shit about them and won't release the original trilogy that gave him his fanbase in first place and whose crappy writing has transformed SW fandom from a mainstream interest into a geeky wankfest that is often compared to Trekkieism, usually unfavorably.

It's hard to be loyal to either of them, honestly.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-03-04 01:36pm

Trekkies raised $15,000,000 to save Enterprise. They canceled children's birthdays and honeymoons to save enterprise. 'Nuff said.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-03-04 01:49pm

The fifteen million thing was a joke page.

Brian

Adun · Post by **Adun** » 2005-03-04 01:55pm

I think I read once on a magazine six years ago about this couple who would name their first born child after Anakin. Wow, poor kid.

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-04 03:09pm

As for naming a kid, 'Anakin,' he was preceded long ago by others. When I was in college and working at a museum, a coworker heard a mother call her young daughter, "Leia, come here!" It was 1982 or thereabouts, and the little girl looked to be about four or five years old, so she could have been born the same year the original Star Wars came out.

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For all that George Lucas has apparently told the fans to bugger off, LFL nonetheless has a pretty good relationship with us kooks in armor, whereas I've heard Paramount has gone to conventions and handed out generic C&D letters to dealers and fans alike. The machine behind Lucas, which powers ILM, Skywalker Sound, etc. continues to push the envelope in filmmaking as well, giving Lucas an 'empire' beyond Star Wars.

I think that Berman & Braga's problem was that they started believing their own press. That, and one too many trips to the time-travel well. Don't get me wrong, I love a good time-travel story ... but Trek was never intended to be about time travel, so story points had to be developed, and the 'temporal physics' of the Trek Universe had to be set forth - moving away from the roots of the 'human adventure'.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-03-04 04:41pm

To be fair, could it have been "Leah," a biblical name?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-04 04:44pm

While the SW fan base seems pretty strong, it's hard to argue against the fanatic loyalty Trekkies have towards anything with the name "Star Trek" tacked to it.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2005-03-04 06:16pm

Jaepheth wrote:On average, which franchise inspires the most fanatic loyalty amongst its fans?
What is it about that franchise that is so successful in creating zealots?

Wow, I voted Star Trek without looking to see what the results were, and it looks pretty lopsided. I just figured that I've seen a lot more Trekkies out there without lives to speak of, while extreme losers who worship all things Star Wars seem much fewer in number.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2005-03-04 06:17pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Trekkies raised $15,000,000 to save Enterprise. They canceled children's birthdays and honeymoons to save enterprise. 'Nuff said.

Looks like it didn't work. Isn't this the last season?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-04 06:27pm

I gathered that the fundraising effort was due to the cancellation announcement.

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-04 07:28pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:To be fair, could it have been "Leah," a biblical name?

It's possible, though the young girl was of age to have been born at the time of Star Wars' original theatrical release.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-03-04 10:04pm

The deification of that scumbag Roddenberry, the glorification of the asinine moral messages of TNG, the pointy ears...

No contest.

And this is coming from an old-school Trekker.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-03-04 11:45pm

Star Trek. While all sci-fi contains its "<book/movie/tv show name> rules and everything else sucks!" fans, Star Trek seems to have a larger number of them (or at least louder ones).

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-03-05 05:17am

Any one seen the documentary "Trekkies".

After seeing that it would be a no contest.

There was this woman who goes to work in a Federation uniform wearing a phaser. (She was apparently one of the jurors in Clinton's court case).

A dentist who does his surgery building in a Star Trek theme (although I will admit that is reasonably tasteful).

Fan clubs making their own star trek movies, designing their own Federation uniform.

Fanatical trekkies all the way. And the fact that they can stomach Enterprise kind of gives them the edge over Warsies.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-03-05 01:50pm

jegs2 wrote:
Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Trekkies raised $15,000,000 to save Enterprise. They canceled children's birthdays and honeymoons to save enterprise. 'Nuff said.
Looks like it didn't work. Isn't this the last season?

It was 3 million, not 15.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-03-05 02:22pm

I've seen trekkies. They are fanatical in a way not even the most hardened warsie can be.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-03-05 03:22pm

I'm really torn.

On one end...psycho Trekkies. On the other end, how many people in the UK listed their religon as "Jedi"?

Probably go with Trekkies for utter devotion level. Honestly though, I was expecting this poll to be about Trek fanboys literally FIGHTING SW fanboys. In that scenario I would think Star Wars fanboys would have an edge.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2005-03-05 04:21pm

Warsies, what can I say? When you camp out infront of theatres for months upon months to "BE THE FIRST ONE TO SEE SW!!!1111", have a religion formed around something from a movie(jedi religion), constantly fight over which is higher "canon" amongst yourselfs, and lets not forget the crown jewel...... The Star Wars Holiday Special.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-03-05 04:45pm

Laird wrote:Warsies, what can I say? When you camp out infront of theatres for months upon months to "BE THE FIRST ONE TO SEE SW!!!1111", have a religion formed around something from a movie(jedi religion), constantly fight over which is higher "canon" amongst yourselfs, and lets not forget the crown jewel...... The Star Wars Holiday Special.

Camping outside a cinema < converting your basement into the Enterprises bridge

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-05 04:52pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Camping outside a cinema < converting your mother's basement into the Enterprises bridge

Fixed.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2005-03-05 05:10pm

Lord Pounder wrote:
Laird wrote:Warsies, what can I say? When you camp out infront of theatres for months upon months to "BE THE FIRST ONE TO SEE SW!!!1111", have a religion formed around something from a movie(jedi religion), constantly fight over which is higher "canon" amongst yourselfs, and lets not forget the crown jewel...... The Star Wars Holiday Special.
Camping outside a cinema < converting your basement into the Enterprises bridge

Hanging out at a walmart at 12am to get SW toys before anyone else>Guy living in basement(even if it is enterprise.)

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-03-05 05:26pm

Dude this is no contest, ever hear of a juror turning up for duty in full Stormtrooper armour?

Adun · Post by **Adun** » 2005-03-05 05:41pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Dude this is no contest, ever hear of a juror turning up for duty in full Stormtrooper armour?

Dude, he´s got you there.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-03-05 05:52pm

I love both franchises equally. Can't we just be friends?

Dude this is no contest, ever hear of a juror turning up for duty in full Stormtrooper armour?

No. But it would be coolest fucking thing ever!

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