Who would you root for?

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-03-04 04:16pm

In a war between the Empire and the Federation, whose side would you be on. Forget the power level differentials and who you think would win, if the Federation had a 50/50 chance of surviving the war would you be on their side or the Empire's. Basically which one do you think has more to offer the galaxy and you would rather live in.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-03-04 04:17pm

The Empire. Because I know the Rebels will win in the end. Frankly, the Marxist hellhole that is the Federation doesn't appeal to me.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-03-04 04:19pm

What era Federation?

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-03-04 04:23pm

NecronLord wrote:What era Federation?

Let's say TNG to make it a little interesting, because I can't imagine anybody who'd rather live in the Empire than the democratic, capitalistic TOS Federation.
I'll still go with Federation. The TNG Fed may be a hypocritical racist commie near-dictatorship, but at least you don't run the risk of being executed every time you speak to someone in power.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-04 04:42pm

Junghalli wrote:The TNG Fed may be a hypocritical racist commie near-dictatorship, but at least you don't run the risk of being executed every time you speak to someone in power.

Unless you don't?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-03-04 04:47pm

Easy, Trek hands down. Simple reason? Holodecks. I can "live" under the Empire there if I wanted to. Hell, be the Empire for that matter. Play versus all I wanted too.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-03-04 04:57pm

I cant decide...

The Empire is a racist, facist shithole in the universe who ruthlessly crush anyone in their path, ruled by a decaying old sombitch who sucks people's souls out to stay alive.

The Federation is a slave-owning, racist, communist shithole...but thats about it. Generally they're not too bad, if you can escape the ethical crisis of their foundation.

Uh...

Damn. I have to say Federation. Whatever shitheads that run it i'd have a better chance of staying alive than in the Empire. Plus the Emperor and his Moff boyfriends are just evil, pure and simple, there are still good people left in the Federation.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-04 05:30pm

Junghalli wrote:
NecronLord wrote:What era Federation?
Let's say TNG to make it a little interesting, because I can't imagine anybody who'd rather live in the Empire than the democratic, capitalistic TOS Federation.

You forgot "miniskirts"

I'll still go with Federation. The TNG Fed may be a hypocritical racist commie near-dictatorship, but at least you don't run the risk of being executed every time you speak to someone in power.

How many Imperial citizens actually ever do that?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-03-04 05:37pm

Id rather live in the Empire than any era of Trek. The one in a billion chance of force powers aside I got a batter chance of getting my own ship in the Empire and living a hedonistic between the stars lifestyle.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-03-04 06:42pm

The Empire. It would actually be pretty cool.

And I couldn't stand the communism of the Feddies.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-04 07:42pm

The Federation, easily. The Empire is evil and i going to be defeated and be replaced with a Repub,lic thats going to be invaded and defeated by an evil and massmurdering species.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-04 08:12pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Id rather live in the Empire than any era of Trek. The one in a billion chance of force powers aside I got a batter chance of getting my own ship in the Empire and living a hedonistic between the stars lifestyle.

So your ideal life is a faceless drifter?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-04 08:14pm

One advantage of the Empire over the Federation. Only ONE man in the Empire suffers from severe pomposity while it seems to be pretty standard fare in Trek. I couldn't stand listening to those speeches every day. Its almost as bad as our current President.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2005-03-04 08:21pm

Given how little civilian life we've seen in Star Trem in the TNG era, it's a hard one to judge. It looks like people can still own there own houses and develop stuff to some extent (Picard's brother's vineyards come to mind), but otherwise we've only ever seen off duty Starfleet officers, they seem to get nice apartments (Like Barclays) and lots of time off (when not on deep space missions of course- did Picard say something about 250+ days shore leave in Insurrection?).

There is seemingly no crime on Earth, or little enough to warrant no dedicated police force. You get to do practically anything you like, you have holodecks and all the basics you need to live provided for you, yadda yadda. Works for me. Probably get a little boring if everyone is dressed the same and we all like the same music, but ah well. I can go to a rock concert in the holodeck or something.

Security is so sucky there's a chance a cloaked force of breen ships might drop a few bombs on my house but I guess that's still a tiny possibility.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-04 09:03pm

Jon wrote:Security is so sucky there's a chance a cloaked force of breen ships might drop a few bombs on my house but I guess that's still a tiny possibility.

That fleet was destroyed in seconds and dont forget that the Breen has cloaking devices.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-03-04 09:16pm

I'd like to live in the Federation, holodecks seal it for me.

Plus I wouldn't have to work.

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-03-04 09:41pm

Personally, I'd prefer the Empire. Capitalism for all! Plus, you know that the millions of Imperial ships will keep you relatively safe– nothing like the Federation, which could get anally violated by the Borg in ground combat. I would not trust my life with people who lose to zombies with less intelligence than that of a chimp.

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Jon wrote:Security is so sucky there's a chance a cloaked force of breen ships might drop a few bombs on my house but I guess that's still a tiny possibility.
That fleet was destroyed in seconds and dont forget that the Breen has cloaking devices.

......Didn't you notice him say that it was a cloaked fleet?

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-04 09:49pm

Lone_Prodigy wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Jon wrote:Security is so sucky there's a chance a cloaked force of breen ships might drop a few bombs on my house but I guess that's still a tiny possibility.
That fleet was destroyed in seconds and dont forget that the Breen has cloaking devices.
......Didn't you notice him say that it was a cloaked fleet?

No, didnt notice that

The Empire dont do any better dealing with cloaks. Remember the three cloaked ISD.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-03-04 09:54pm

Lone_Prodigy wrote:Personally, I'd prefer the Empire. Capitalism for all! Plus, you know that the millions of Imperial ships will keep you relatively safe– nothing like the Federation, which could get anally violated by the Borg in ground combat. I would not trust my life with people who lose to zombies with less intelligence than that of a chimp.

You could just replicate a Tommygun, keep it for personal protection.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-03-04 10:11pm

The Empire is racist and fascist! Oh noes!

Except... its not racist (I'm bloody human anyway, so who cares) and in the Empire my family and I aren't going to get eaten by a snowflake or something. Living in the Fed would be like living in a small town in the middle of nowhere with no nightlife. Sucky.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-03-05 12:14am

If the Empire wins, then Palpatine will go with his plan to suck the lifeforce out of everybody. Remember?

Better hope the Federation wins. If the Federation is at least able to divert Palpatine's attention away, the Rebellion will have more of a chance of succeeding.

Brian

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-03-05 12:19am

Plus the question isn't if you live in the Empire or not, it's who who "wins". Obviously even if the Federation somehow pulled a dues ex machina on the Empire and Palpatine was killed, you could still live in the Empire because the Rebellion would have won.

It's not like the Feds are going to occupy an entire galaxy if they win. Marxist or not, the free galaxy will still be there to go to. Unless you really hate the Feds for some reason, and I don't see how you could hate the Feds more than a man who burns entire planets and is going to suck the lifeforce out of everybody.

Brian

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-03-05 12:35am

Yeah, and AFAIC I'd be happy if the government changed from Federation to Empire. You don't really lose anything, but get more fun, more security, and more interesting things to do (for instance, I bet the Federation doesn't have any infosec specialists

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Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-03-05 04:20am

The Empire. Let's kick some commie butts.

Franc28 · Post by **Franc28** » 2005-03-05 04:48am

You're all assuming that Star Wars doesn't have the equivalent of holodecks. That seems like a rather unreasonable base assumption to me. After all, they do have holograms.