ISD vs. GCS

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2005-03-05 12:01am

Believe it or not, some yet remain at Spacebattles.com who think a Galaxy could take out an ISD. I was certain that such foolishness had gone the way of the Dodo long ago, even over there. Here are some tidbits:

Originally Posted by apocolypse

Are you daft? People in support of the ISD HAVE been backing up the claims with proof. I have yet to see similar for the GCS, and I can't help but notice you've just made several more posts, that completely avoid disproving the ISD.

Regula wrote:No they haven't the most they have done is spewed on about the ICS and Pegasus. In other words took high end SW calcs and the low ST calcs. If you consider that conclusive evidence then you are daft. More over I have all ready addressed these points weather you have noticed or not.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

And that's why I said it was a low-end estimate.

Regula wrote:Strangely I think we agree on something.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

Right, keep telling yourself that. You're the one that has yet to actually add anything of substance to the very thread you fucking created moron.

Regula wrote:You arrogent ass what have you contributed to this debate. Let me think, oh wait nothing that hasen't all ready been addressed and disproven a dozen times.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

And do you realize that this is happening instantaneously? It's not my fault that you tried to argue something that completely disproves your stupid theory.

Regula wrote:It happened instantaneously? Weird I thought it happened over the course of several broadsides, oh wait that's because it did. A forest fire can move at a decent clip. And again if it a is a burning inferno it isn't exactly jungle anymore.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

Yeah, because I'm the one comparing years worth of gradual deforestation to orbital bombardment. You're ripe with ignorance aren't you?

Regula wrote:Oh yeah because forest fires are completly incapable of destroying acres of forest in short order. Maybe you should check up on that.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

You're incapable of learning aren't you? You tried the same stupid shit in the last thread you pulled out of your ass as well. Tech manuals aren't canon, period.

Regula wrote:We have been over this before. The Tech manual while not Canon is official. It says so in the book and the book is a licsensed and endorsed work of Paroumont. To me and anybody with a brain that means it is addmissable information. Weather you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

The 64 MT figure is not applicable, which means your QT figure is wrong as well. Torps have displayed variable yields, and trying to base them off of TM figures is dishonest and erroneous. I went into detail about this the last time as well, but you apparently lack comprehension.

Regula wrote:Even if the 64mt figure was not applicable(which it is) we still have Skin of Evil, TDiC, and the VGR and TOS episodes to deal with. The TM figure was a low to mid end calc. Hence why I used it. If we use the SOE calc of a 100mt then it takes just over three Q-Torps to equal a GT.

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Originally Posted by apocolypse

So, no, you have not proven anything at all. I applaude you for at least finally trying though. Too bad it's wrong. Even if your figures were valid (which they aren't), you've shown that the Galaxy can take extremely low single digit GT levels. Congrats, now deal with multiple triple digit GT weapons.

Regula wrote:Now why would they have to deal with multiple triple digit GT weapons? Or are you still dealing with your ICS fetish?

For further entertaininment, feel free to peruse here.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-05 12:06am

I can't say I'm surprised by their insistence. It seems connected to their fanatic refusal to accept Trek's demise, somehow.

This would be a good time to dust off an old macro:

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2005-03-05 02:03pm

Don't even try debating Regula, he's a black hole of stupidity. He simply dismisses the ICS, yet a few posts later uses the ST Technical Manuals as evidence for the Trek side.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-05 02:04pm

SPOOFE wrote:Don't even try debating Regula, he's a black hole of stupidity. He simply dismisses the ICS, yet a few posts later uses the ST Technical Manuals as evidence for the Trek side.

If he ignores canon why does it suprise you?

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-03-09 02:07am

Oh god I had the displeasure of seeing that thread first-hand. Regula is nothing more than a child trying to pretend he's an adult.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-03-09 09:05am

Reading the last part of that and Regula trying to shoehorn Game mechanics as a viable source...is too damn funny.

Because he wants to use KT weapons from the ICS or movie to translate to game levels, but wants to ignore the GT weapon from the same resource.

And his KT blast can roast a world!!!...is also a fun one.

Truly, some people never give up. Funny to watch if for nothing else, you gotta just wonder.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 09:07am

Ghost Rider wrote:And his KT blast can roast a world!!!...is also a fun one.

I'm curious, what is the source of BDZ?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-03-09 09:09am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:And his KT blast can roast a world!!!...is also a fun one.
I'm curious, what is the source of BDZ?

Star Wars Adventure Journal #2

"A World to Conquer"

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 09:17am

Ghost Rider wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:And his KT blast can roast a world!!!...is also a fun one.
I'm curious, what is the source of BDZ?
Star Wars Adventure Journal #2

"A World to Conquer"

A book, magazine?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-03-09 09:20am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote: I'm curious, what is the source of BDZ?
Star Wars Adventure Journal #2

"A World to Conquer"
A book, magazine?

Here

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 09:22am

Thanks.

Its an RPG.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-03-09 09:24am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:Thanks.

Its an RPG.

SW RPG...yes.

The BDZ description is a story which is why it's used as an offical source.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 09:30am

Ghost Rider wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:Thanks.

Its an RPG.
SW RPG...yes.

The BDZ description is a story which is why it's used as an offical source.

Has there ever been a BDZ in the other literature, with the exception of NJO?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-03-09 09:44am

han solo trilogy. its the order given to nar sharda.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 10:36am

Enforcer Talen wrote:han solo trilogy. its the order given to nar sharda.

Since Nar Sharda is still there, what happened?

Gorefiend · Post by **Gorefiend** » 2005-03-09 10:39am

the hutts and some local fringers got a merc fleet togehter, bribed the imperial admiral to give them the battle plans, shoot down one of the imperial cruisers and then the imperial admiral made a run for it. ;]

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 10:43am

Gorefiend wrote:the hutts and some local fringers got a merc fleet togehter, bribed the imperial admiral to give them the battle plans, shoot down one of the imperial cruisers and then the imperial admiral made a run for it. ;]

Damn Commie coward.

Gorefiend · Post by **Gorefiend** » 2005-03-09 10:45am

i need an edit button :/

this battle was ordered by Moff Sarn Shild, who ordered that all smuggling in his sector be stopped. This reneged on a series of rbibe and gifts he had received from the Hutts. Jabba and Jiliac, seeing the damage an attack on Nar Shaddaa would do, used Han Solo to bribe Admiral Winstel Greelanx into allowing the residents to win the battle. Greelanx had received a Base Delta Zero order from Shild for Nar Shaddaa, and struggled to find a way to throw the battle. When he finally came up with a plan, Greelanx then received a communique from Excomm commanding him to lose the battle. So, the tables were set for a battle of Imperial might versus a rag-tag fleet of smugglers and thieves trained on short notice by Han Solo, Mako Spince, and Lando Calrissian. They mustered every snub-fighter and freighter they could in an effort to make a stand against Greelanx's fleet. Their plan involved throwing a group of ships against the Imperials, hoping to break into their picket lines while giving the impression that the smugglers' forces were spent. A second group remained out of sight, ready to pounce on the Imperial fleet from behind. The two groups were supplemented by Drea Renthal's pirate fleet as well as a series of images projected by Xaverri. The battle started badly for the smugglers when a pair of ships jumped the gun before the counterattack could be launched. Despite the loss of two ships, the smugglers quickly gained the upper hand when the Imperial forces became over-confident. The appearance of Xaverri's illusory fleet caught the Imperials offf-guard, and allowed the smugglers to take out several Imperial warships. The battle was ended when the Peacekeeper plummeted into Nar Shaddaa's planetary shield, eliminating one of the key Imperial ships. The remaining ships were unable to exploit the hole in the moon's shield, and Greelanx ordered a retreat. The entire populace of Nar Shaddaa suffered some form of loss or injury, as did most of the Hutt kajidics. Only Besadii seemed to come out unscathed, a point which Jabba the Hutt used against them when they began raising prices of processed spice.

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Gorefiend · Post by **Gorefiend** » 2005-03-09 10:52am

still need an edit button

anyway

the imperials only had 4 bulk cruisers, 3 dreads, 2 carracks and ~ 50 tie fighters/customs ships. not much of a fleet

the hutts got toughter a lot of armed freighters/transports/yachts (big and small size), a collection of older star fighters and pirates/mercs (a few corvettes/partol ships etc.) to fight for them.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 10:58am

Gorefiend wrote:still need an edit button anyway

the imperials only had 4 bulk cruisers, 3 dreads, 2 carracks and ~ 50 tie fighters/customs ships. not much of a fleet

the hutts got toughter a lot of armed freighters/transports/yachts (big and small size), a collection of older star fighters and pirates/mercs (a few corvettes/partol ships etc.) to fight for them.

So the only time we have seen a BDZ is in NJO.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-09 11:46am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the only time we have seen a BDZ is in NJO.

that's possible, but it's also irrelevant as BDZ is talked about several times in the EU (aka C-level canon) in way cannot boasting (while its never talked about in the films, said operation is real). Also I have said already in past, but a GCS will assraped Acclamator-class transports so badly that it wouldn't be even funny, so why GCS be able defeat an ISD is beond me.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-03-09 02:09pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the only time we have seen a BDZ is in NJO.
that's possible, but it's also irrelevant as BDZ is talked about several times in the EU (aka C-level canon) in way cannot boasting (while its never talked about in the films, said operation is real). Also I have said already in past, but a GCS will assraped Acclamator-class transports so badly that it wouldn't be even funny, so why GCS be able defeat an ISD is beond me.

The damage done was no were near 200GT or even 200kT. One turbolaser hit a tree and the tree began to burn.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-09 03:19pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:So the only time we have seen a BDZ is in NJO.
that's possible, but it's also irrelevant as BDZ is talked about several times in the EU (aka C-level canon) in way cannot boasting (while its never talked about in the films, said operation is real). Also I have said already in past, but a GCS will assraped Acclamator-class transports so badly that it wouldn't be even funny, so why GCS be able defeat an ISD is beond me.
The damage done was no were near 200GT or even 200kT. One turbolaser hit a tree and the tree began to burn.

WTF

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Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-09 03:41pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:The damage done was no were near 200GT or even 200kT. One turbolaser hit a tree and the tree began to burn.

He's referring to ship-mounted weapons, not the blasters on a light scout walker.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-09 03:51pm

Firefox wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:The damage done was no were near 200GT or even 200kT. One turbolaser hit a tree and the tree began to burn.
He's referring to ship-mounted weapons, not the blasters on a light scout walker.

I suspected that he was refering AT-ST blaster canons, since to date we have not seen turbolaser hit ground targets in the movies.