Jango Fett in the Star Trek universe

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-07-04 12:34pm

While escaping from Kamino, a technobabble hyperdrive malfunction sends Slave One into the TOS era Trek galaxy. Realizing that he's stranded here until the hyperdrive can be repaired, Jango decides to make the best of things by hiring himself out as a mercenary to Starfleet, helping them eliminate Klingon spies, steal the cloaking device from the Romulans, etc. When a desperate admiral offers him the rank of Captain in Starfleet, Jango accepts-- it would give him access to the resources he needs to fix the hyperdrive.

Later, when a socialist faction in Starfleet attempts to launch a coup, Jango eliminates them, takes control of the Federation, and names himself Emperor.

Years pass. Captain Jean-Luc Picard welcomes Emperor Boba Fett, leader of the Terran Empire, aboard the new Enterprise-D, where he'll receive the code cylinders signifying his rank. What does the former Federation look like now? What kind of men and women are found in Starfleet? What ships do they serve on?

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-07-04 12:38pm

I think this is getting way too speculative. Assuming Jango could even function effectively in a political position, we have no evidence of how he might rule. (As least to the best of my knowledge.)

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-07-04 12:38pm

Fett would probably try to re-establish the Mandalorians, probably trying to draw Klingons to him since they would love it's ethos and warrior code.

Would he know the basics of SW tech (Apart from infantry weaponry) if so the Federation takes over the galaxy, even if not his knowledge of SW ground level weaponry and relatively brilliant tactics kick up Starfleet ground forces by half a dozen orders of magnitude.

The new fleet would probably look more like the Empire (Large, stable militaristic) without the agony booth's or xenophobia.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-04 12:42pm

The scenario is so wildly implausible that any attempt to project what would realistically happen seems pointless. Jango Fett taking over the Federation and turning it into an Empire?

Instant Sunrise · Post by **Instant Sunrise** » 2005-07-04 12:57pm

Yeah... How about we start with the basics.

Something weird occurs, causing Jango Fett and Slave One end up in the Star Trek galaxy. What happens then?

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-07-04 01:04pm

skyman8081 wrote:Yeah... How about we start with the basics.

Something weird occurs, causing Jango Fett and Slave One end up in the Star Trek galaxy. What happens then?

He finds that nothing short of a small fleet is a match for his ship and starts hiring himself out as a very high priced mercenary, once he finds out just how bad ST ground forces are he will start hiring himself out as a combat instructor while teaching his pupils the ways of the Mandalorians, slowly returning the order and preparing to launch a coop.

Kaintukee_Bob · Post by **Kaintukee_Bob** » 2005-07-04 01:18pm

His unconventional tactics of beaming enemy leaders directly to the brig, beaming explosives into engine rooms, and assisting his ground forces by beaming enemy ground forces into low orbit (or space, depending on wether or not he wants a light show), coupled with his personal command ship's ability to rapidly strip shields from enemy vessels ensure that Jango's coup goes quite well.

After a few executions of some of the more minor officials, as well as the current President, the remaining leadership legitimises Jango's rule. From the brig, of course. They then spend quite a bit of time on a nice, quiet planet, under the watch of big guns, until Jango is sure he has complete control. At which time the guns fire.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-07-04 02:15pm

More transporter wankage. Yay.
Why is everybody assuming Jango even wants to stage a coup? He may be perfectly happy selling his services, knowledge, and techology to the highest bidder until he can retire in style (which if said bidders realize what kind of a tech advantage they're getting should be right the fuck now). He spends the rest of his time raising Jango, preferably at on sunny beach somewhere whith a cold drink at his elbow.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-07-04 09:17pm

Considering the problems people have with the probability of Jango taking over the Federation, I'll make some changes to the scenario:

Q, for reasons known only to him, brings Jango into the ST universe, stranding the hunter there until Jango does some "favors" for the godlike being. Jango agrees to help the Federation deal with the Platonian threat-- he drops seismic charges to level the Platonian colony, eliminating this threat once and for all-- and when certain Vulcan officers attempt to enforce the Vulcan ideals of socialism upon the human-dominated Federation, he eliminates them, too.

Starfleet Command, in panic because of the attempted coup, offer Jango the post of President For Life. Q convinces Jango to accept this post. Years later, the position is passed to Boba.

Kaintukee_Bob wrote:His unconventional tactics of beaming enemy leaders directly to the brig, beaming explosives into engine rooms, and assisting his ground forces by beaming enemy ground forces into low orbit (or space, depending on whether or not he wants a light show), coupled with his personal command ship's ability to rapidly strip shields from enemy vessels ensure that Jango's coup goes quite well.

This may be wank-tastic, but when I write my own fanfic about this, I'm going to give the Federation new transporter technology, based on the hyperdrive, where transportation is achieved by forming a warp bubble around the subject to protect it, and sending the subject through hyperspace. It's more reliable and difficult to jam than technology that relies on the controlled disintegration and reintegration of the subject, and quickly sees widespread use within the Alpha Quadrant.

Kenoshi · Post by **Kenoshi** » 2005-07-05 06:28am

Isn't Starfleet a bit too idealistic to be willing to work with someone like Jango, let alone put him in charge? And to use a god-like being to shoe-horn him into being in charge of the Federation sounds exceptionally lame. Why would Q even choose him? He'd get a lot more amusement by bringing Jar Jar over and putting him in charge. And how good of a political leader would Jango be anyways?

And as far as using hyperspace as a medium for a transporter, remember that hyperspace travel doesn't work very well around gravity wells. Using such technology to beam someone to a planet surface would be very unlikely.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-07-05 12:01pm

Kenoshi wrote:Isn't Starfleet a bit too idealistic to be willing to work with someone like Jango, let alone put him in charge? And to use a god-like being to shoe-horn him into being in charge of the Federation sounds exceptionally lame. Why would Q even choose him? He'd get a lot more amusement by bringing Jar Jar over and putting him in charge. And how good of a political leader would Jango be anyways?

And as far as using hyperspace as a medium for a transporter, remember that hyperspace travel doesn't work very well around gravity wells. Using such technology to beam someone to a planet surface would be very unlikely.

"The Guide to Weapons and Technology" (title?) mentioned hyperspace as a medium for a "matter transmitter" was mentioned as a possible explanation for the magic hoops Boba used in the "Death, Lies, and Betrayal" graphic novel-- possible because no one really knew how it worked, except for the creator, from whom the hoops were stolen.

As for the godlike being... okay, I deserve a lashing for that, but it can't be much worse than proposals about Q opening dimensional gates between the ST and SW universes, or Q helping the Federation achieve victory in a war with the Galactic Empire.

As for idealism, the Federation was much more pragmatic during in TOS, and the attempted coup might make Starfleet Command desperate enough to accept someone like Jango as their leader. He might not make that great a political leader, but he can't be any worse than the people in charge in TNG.

Kaintukee_Bob · Post by **Kaintukee_Bob** » 2005-07-05 12:58pm

I wasn't trying to wank transporters, actually. It's just that with Jango's military mind, he would put the transporters to uses that would be most efficient. IF his goal was to capture someone on a certain starship, Slave I could rapidly strip the shields (likely with only a few shots), any ST ship on his side could target the ship's engines, and Jango could then capture his target. Given the choices of risking a stray shot from a redshirt hitting him, or beaming his quarrey into the brig, the choice is obvious.

I'll admit it isn't a tactic that would work in all situations, but it is one that a bounty hunter would think of and use.

Destroying the ship with a bomb in the engine room would be another tactic a bounty hunter would think of. His opponent's fear helps him, and having visual records of the ship exploding for no visible reason would inspire much more fear than it being blown up by phasers or laser cannons.

As for the ground-battle scenario, I have re-thought my position...Transporters would be too slow. He's much more likely to take Slave 1 in for an attack run and use those nifty siesmic charges.

The reason I stressed the transporters so much is they are the only bit of military technology (or technology with military uses) directly usable in battle that ST has but Jango doesn't. They're fickle, easily countered, and useless until the opposing ships lose their shields, but they are useful for suprise and keeping an element of mystery.

Transporter Wankage would be saying that Jango would be able to fix the transporters to work through shields, work at several light-years distance, send entire armies at once, and function as a cloning machine to make armies of Jango's.

Those are clearly ridiculous suggestions, what I pointed out was real, valid uses for the tech (although I admit my reasoning was not immediately obvious, as I was posting hurridly and didn't explain myself).

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-07-05 03:32pm

The question is, is this undeservedly wanktastic EU Fett, or movie Fett?

From the movie, he seemed like a simple man trying to make his way in the universe. His motivations were money and stroking his own ego, and having a son (vulnerability) without the need for a wife.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-07-06 05:41pm

It's the movie Jango. (The only EU examples I've seen are the 'Jango Fett' and 'Open Seasons' graphic novels, and the first 'Boba Fett' adolescent novel.)

MindTwist · Post by **MindTwist** » 2005-07-09 04:37pm

Jango wouldn't make himself Emporer or anything like that. He's a bounty hunter and has no desire to be anything more. However, someone could use him as a resource or a right hand man, similar to how Count Dooku used him. He would start taking on contracts and quickly build a reputation. Eventually the Romulans, the Breen, or someone like Khan would hire him and put him up like the Kamoians did. Perhaps the Dominion would renew their war, since hyperdrive would mean they are no longer dependent on the wormhole. Whatever faction buys him up would reverse engineer all the tech on his ship and build a fleet to take over the galaxy. Earth would most likely be toast and the Federation would fall nearly as quickly as it would if the full Empire attacked.

Another thought: If the Borg manage to assimmilate him and his ship, all the Borg ships would quickly become equipped with SW tech.

So what would the galaxy look like if Jango ended up stranded in Federation space? It would look like whatever faction gets control of him. Assumming the Federation doesn't recognize the threat and send a significant portion of the fleet to destroy him and his ship first. Any government, even a ridiculously pansy one like the Federation can do dark things when necessary.

Here's a good question: What would happen if Jango sold his technology to the Federation instead of one of the more aggressive nations? Would he do that? Maybe Boba wasn't with him when he got stranded and when he gets too old to pursue his love of bounty hunting he takes a huge payout to retire in comfort.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-07-09 07:31pm

Jango is a bounty hunter. There isn't any reason to believe he wouldn't be a bounty hunter in the Trekverse. Jango wants to have a kid. There isn't any reason to believe he wouldn't want to raise a kid in the Trekverse. At first, both Jango and the powers that be wouldn't realize the technological disparity. Jango would quickly figure out that his ship was as powerful as an entire fleet though, and would probably use that to his advantage. He would probably work with the same kind of people he worked with in the movies -- probably the Orion Syndicate. His motivations are the same -- get a lot of money, and spend time with his kid.

Eventually though, Jango's ship would break down. He would need replacement parts. Jango is a killer, not an engineer. He probably knows how to maintain his ship, but probably just buys off-the-shelf components in the Warverse and modifies them for his own use, which he couldn't do in the Trekverse. What happens when part X, integral to the operation of Slave I, breaks down and needs repair? What happens when something breaks down that Jango has no idea how to fix?

Whatever faction buys him up would reverse engineer all the tech on his ship...

That's like saying you can give a caveman a computer and expect him to reverse engineer it without any starting point. Jango is not an engineer, and even if he was he couldn't help the Feds catch up with thousands of years of technology overnight.

Brian

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-07-09 09:04pm

MindTwist wrote:Jango wouldn't make himself Emporer or anything like that. He's a bounty hunter and has no desire to be anything more. However, someone could use him as a resource or a right hand man, similar to how Count Dooku used him. He would start taking on contracts and quickly build a reputation. Eventually the Romulans, the Breen, or someone like Khan would hire him and put him up like the Kamoians did. Perhaps the Dominion would renew their war, since hyperdrive would mean they are no longer dependent on the wormhole. Whatever faction buys him up would reverse engineer all the tech on his ship and build a fleet to take over the galaxy. Earth would most likely be toast and the Federation would fall nearly as quickly as it would if the full Empire attacked.

Another thought: If the Borg manage to assimmilate him and his ship, all the Borg ships would quickly become equipped with SW tech.

So what would the galaxy look like if Jango ended up stranded in Federation space? It would look like whatever faction gets control of him. Assumming the Federation doesn't recognize the threat and send a significant portion of the fleet to destroy him and his ship first. Any government, even a ridiculously pansy one like the Federation can do dark things when necessary.

Here's a good question: What would happen if Jango sold his technology to the Federation instead of one of the more aggressive nations? Would he do that? Maybe Boba wasn't with him when he got stranded and when he gets too old to pursue his love of bounty hunting he takes a huge payout to retire in comfort.

Oh for God's sake, not the "reverse engineer" argument again. Maybe Mike could set the board's obscenity filter to change that phrase to "wokka wokka wokka!" or "I'm a little teapot" or "Cthulhu fhtagn!" every time it appears. "The Federation would wokka wokka wokka! the Empire's technology" isn't any worse an argument than "reverse engineer".

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-07-09 09:16pm

OK for reverse Engineers, The is 218 years old, The Galactic Republic was 25,000 old (in one form or another) when it was reformed into the Galactic Empire. DO you honestly belive it would peice of cake for federation to reverse engineer tech form civilization that's over 100 times older then it is?

Kenoshi · Post by **Kenoshi** » 2005-07-10 02:15am

Lord Revan wrote:OK for reverse Engineers, The is 218 years old, The Galactic Republic was 25,000 old (in one form or another) when it was reformed into the Galactic Empire. DO you honestly belive it would peice of cake for federation to reverse engineer tech form civilization that's over 100 times older then it is?

Of course they could, if it involved solving the crisis du jour of a particular episode. Then when everything's wrapped up they'd promptly forget all of it by the next episode.

The Star Trek universe operates by a variation of "Toon Logic": they can do anything they want to provided it moves the plot along.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-07-10 02:17am

Kenoshi wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:OK for reverse Engineers, The is 218 years old, The Galactic Republic was 25,000 old (in one form or another) when it was reformed into the Galactic Empire. DO you honestly belive it would peice of cake for federation to reverse engineer tech form civilization that's over 100 times older then it is?
Of course they could, if it involved solving the crisis du jour of a particular episode. Then when everything's wrapped up they'd promptly forget all of it by the next episode.

The Star Trek universe operates by a variation of "Toon Logic": they can do anything they want to provided it moves the plot along.

one episode wonders don't count for debate purposes.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-07-10 04:08am

He was joking.

Since Fett, with SWverse tech, would kick major ass, I think he'd get himself hired by a few ambitions eeevil Trek guys and kill a few folks here and there for a large sum of cash (I mean, a hired gun like Fett would bea godsend for the evil Trek guys). Afterwards, he'd retire and raise Boba and shit. Simple as that.

I don't get this megalomaniacal weirdo wanky Emperor Mandalorian rebuilding crap. Why does everyone have to have some weird interesting cool whacky profound backstory? Can't Jango be just a simple cold blooded killer simply trying to make a living? Didn't he even say that himself in AOTC?

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-07-10 10:00am

If you were doing this as a fic, it'd be more fun to have the Federation getting totally pummeled in a war, when Fett blunders into the situation and decides to help save his fellow human beings. (For a hefty price, naturally.)

"But we don't believe in war!"
"Well your enemy does, and so do I, so pay up."
"But we have no money in our society!"
"Well you had better find some quick!"

I see his interaction with Federation people as being similar to Stallone's working with the future cops in Demoltion Man.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-07-10 10:03am

I see his interaction with Federation people as being similar to Stallone's working with the future cops in Demoltion Man.

More like Phonix's with money replacing the conch's

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-07-10 04:59pm

Fuckin' Christ. The premiere forum for this message board, and it's filled with shit like "Jango Fett-Emperor of the Milky Way!"

Come ON, people. Surely we can do better than "Spacebattles." Give me a reason to NOT ignore this forum 90% of the time. Enough of this crap and "500 stormtroopers vs 500 redshirts--with a twist and force sub!"

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-07-10 08:49pm

Lord Poe wrote:Fuckin' Christ. The premiere forum for this message board, and it's filled with shit like "Jango Fett-Emperor of the Milky Way!"

Come ON, people. Surely we can do better than "Spacebattles."

Okay, I'll stop asking for advice on how to write a "Jango Fett in the Federation" story and simply write the damn thing-- in a year or twenty. (I write very slowly. The creative juices trickle out instead of pouring.)