SMART Borg Cubes vs. an ISD

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2002-12-04 03:03am

I read a little of the thread Galaxy posted, and I was wondering how many Cubes it would take to destroy an ISD if they were controlled by someone with rather more tactical wherewithall than the Borg.

Since the Borg are hopelessly outgunned in any case, let's make it Grand Admiral Thrawn. He's directing the battle from offsite, and obviously knows all about the Empire.

...I'd post some tactical ideas, but I am weak and must sleep. I'll check back later.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 03:04am

Sriad wrote:I read a little of the thread Galaxy posted, and I was wondering how many Cubes it would take to destroy an ISD if they were controlled by someone with rather more tactical wherewithall than the Borg.

Since the Borg are hopelessly outgunned in any case, let's make it Grand Admiral Thrawn. He's directing the battle from offsite, and obviously knows all about the Empire.

...I'd post some tactical ideas, but I am weak and must sleep. I'll check back later.

Unless the Borg somehow create polaron-type weapons that can penetrate ISD shielding, or find out some way to beam warheads onto the ISD, the Borg are still screwed.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-12-04 03:45am

The smartest move the Borg could make is to run like hell and not look back

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-04 04:54am

Well what's the definition of a 'smart' Cube? What would it do that a 'dumb' cube wouldn't? For all that mass, they're patehtically underarmed.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-04 05:04am

Intelligence doesn't power weps or shields. They'll still be slaughtered.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-04 05:23am

IG-88E wrote:Intelligence doesn't power weps or shields. They'll still be slaughtered.

It's being run by Thrawn. He knows Imperial procedures and weaknesses, and Thrawn knows when to give up, unlike the usual "wash, rinse, repeat" Borg tactic. Give him some credit here!
And anyway, this thread isn't "who would win", it's "how many would it take".

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-04 05:26am

Pcm979 wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Intelligence doesn't power weps or shields. They'll still be slaughtered.
It's being run by Thrawn. He knows Imperial procedures and weaknesses, and Thrawn knows when to give up, unlike the usual "wash, rinse, repeat" Borg tactic. Give him some credit here!
And anyway, this thread isn't "who would win", it's "how many would it take".

Al the ISD has to do is sit and let the cubes come to it. If they come from a bad direction, the ISD hypes, then picks a new spot to wait in.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-04 05:35am

IG-88E wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Intelligence doesn't power weps or shields. They'll still be slaughtered.
It's being run by Thrawn. He knows Imperial procedures and weaknesses, and Thrawn knows when to give up, unlike the usual "wash, rinse, repeat" Borg tactic. Give him some credit here!
And anyway, this thread isn't "who would win", it's "how many would it take".
Al the ISD has to do is sit and let the cubes come to it. If they come from a bad direction, the ISD hypes, then picks a new spot to wait in.

And Thrawn would know that.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-04 05:47am

So? There's nothing he can DO about it.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-04 08:54am

100+ Weapons that can one shot kill borg cubes

Capable of firing once every 2 seconds...

100x30=3,000 Shots per mintue, A Thousand Cubes has the collective firepower to take down ISD shields in 2 mintues and twenty four seconds base on minium power rating.... soooooooooooo

The ISD has 6 chances to kill every cube and keep in mind assuming 50 Losses per every ten seconds

12x50=600 Cubes and twenty four seconds to go, this is of course assuming the dead ships can still fire, in acutality unless the ISD is shooting at less than 10% Accurasy the 1,000 Cubes can't win, Even if piloted by somone intellgent as 100! Cubes Clusterd togther could be destroyed by a HTL Shot even if its assumed they all had one big shield=to thier invudial shields

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2002-12-04 09:51am

Honestly, the Borg's best bet is probably to deploy lots of those little spherical escape pod thingies and then try like hell to ram the SD at high speed, with spheres and cubes.

Hardly ideal, but probably better than sitting back and waiting to be slaughtered.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-04 11:15am

Ramming won't do a damn worth of difference to the ISD's shields.

The Borg's best bet is to run like hell.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 04:23pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Ramming won't do a damn worth of difference to the ISD's shields.

The Borg's best bet is to run like hell.

What if they rammed at warp speed?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-04 04:26pm

I believe it was either Stormbringer or Bean that showed that Warp ramming wouldn't do crap...and also a pointless tactic.

Capt. Pkizzle · Post by **Capt. Pkizzle** » 2002-12-04 04:58pm

First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle. Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields oh and by the dose any one care to know a cube out sizes you by a huge margin. it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Dont get me wrong the star destroyer is a mejestic and powerful ship that could esily take out a good portion of the ships i can think of from ST but the Cube would not be one of thoughs

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-04 05:03pm

sigh.

Capt. Pkizzle wrote:First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle.

So, it can be ripped to shreds before destroyed. Not good, with the amount of power it will receive with a single TL shot.

Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields

Why?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-04 05:04pm

Capt. Pkizzle wrote:First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle. Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields oh and by the dose any one care to know a cube out sizes you by a huge margin. it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Dont get me wrong the star destroyer is a mejestic and powerful ship that could esily take out a good portion of the ships i can think of from ST but the Cube would not be one of thoughs

Really? So how much energy does the impact release? And how is that more than the Stardestroyer's shield capability.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2002-12-04 05:16pm

First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle. Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields oh and by the dose any one care to know a cube out sizes you by a huge margin. it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Dont get me wrong the star destroyer is a mejestic and powerful ship that could esily take out a good portion of the ships i can think of from ST but the Cube would not be one of thoughs

*extends arm* *Bitchslaps st00pid newbie* Begone fool!

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-04 05:21pm

Capt. Pkizzle wrote:First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle. Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields oh and by the dose any one care to know a cube out sizes you by a huge margin. it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Dont get me wrong the star destroyer is a mejestic and powerful ship that could esily take out a good portion of the ships i can think of from ST but the Cube would not be one of thoughs

Good God, another one. Crunch the numbers, fool. We all have. *thwap*

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-04 05:22pm

Play nice people, maybe we can convert him instead of making an enemy.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-04 05:23pm

Fuck, too late

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-04 05:32pm

What if they rammed at warp speed?
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I believe it was either Stormbringer or Bean that showed that Warp ramming wouldn't do crap...and also a pointless tactic.

It was me, Its very simple fokes

The Faster in Warp you Go= The Less Mass you have

So much so you are close to massless(Say under a miliagram) when you hit Warp 9.97

Every 1 Warp Factor takes your mass and havles it

IE Warp 1
1/2 Mass
Warp 2
1/4
Warp 3
1/8
And so on...

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-12-04 05:38pm

it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Just a very big target for 200+ gigaton cannons, which the ISD has plenty to use to swat them down, they can't miss targets that big can they

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-04 05:48pm

Capt. Pkizzle wrote:First of all a Cube can take a whole lot of punishment as well as deal it out look at the scores of gutted and derilict hulls a cube leaves behind from a battle.

Relevent to the power difference. A fifth grader can knock around kindergardeners all day, but gets stomped by an eighth grader.

Secondly warp raming would tear one of the sds apart shields or no shields

First off Masslightening tech removes most of this technique. Secondly the Executor caught 3 ISDs dropping out of hyperspace with no real damage. According the the ESB novel, an Executor class is only 5 times stronger. If you've seen the movies you have seen the speed at which they drop out, and we learned that each of the fuel silos has the same mass as the rest of the empty ship, only much more densely packed. This shows a huge total mass. KE is a bitch, but not one that can't be dealt with.

oh and by the dose any one care to know a cube out sizes you by a huge margin. it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

Got a source for that size? IIRC its stated volume means it ends up a hair over 3 km on a side.

Dont get me wrong the star destroyer is a mejestic and powerful ship that could esily take out a good portion of the ships i can think of from ST but the Cube would not be one of thoughs

Shields on a borg cube are at most about 15 Gigatons. A Medium turbolaser is 200 gigatons, per shot.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-12-04 06:47pm

Capt. Pkizzle wrote:it is 5km by 5km by 5km and for thoughs of you reaching for your calculators it is 125 cubic km.

You are incorrect. It was stated in "Dark Frontier" that the volume of a Borg cube is 28 km³. Therefore, each side measures approximately 3.0365889718756625194208095785057 km.

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