Can Vader force-choke Q?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-15 07:15pm

You would think that Q is a living being, and therefore must be a part of the Force. I think a Jedi Master could injure or even kill a Q, granted it takes a powerful one and one who was willing to use techniques like force lightning or the mind-choke.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-15 07:16pm

While Q is being choked, he snaps his fingers and wills Vader out of existence.

Vader is coolness epitomized for a villain, but Q is a bit too much.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-15 07:19pm

I have a lot of questions about the force since reading NJO but I heard the force gets looked at in the later books which I havent gotten to yet), therefore im not really sure Q would be a part of the force and secondly Q is way.. waaaaaaaay out of Vader league.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-15 07:22pm

The question is irrelevent. Even if Q is part of the Force, he does not need to breath and so it would make no difference.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-15 07:32pm

Q's powers, whether limited or not, are far superior to Vader's.

Vader can handle a awesome lightsaber weapon, choke enemies at communication ranges, use the Force to manipulate objects in combat, etc.

Q, can shrink a starship to subatomic levels(VOY, at least that what's the crew believed), throw a Federation starship 7000 lightyears in under 30 seconds("Q who?"), apparently time travel billions of years(TNG "All good things"), manipule Borg cubes into attacking Voyager, and then sending them on their way with a thought, etc, etc...I think we get the point.

In the end, Q might find Vader amusing, but not a threat.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-12-15 09:54pm

Q facing off aginst Darth Vader would be rather likely trying to subjugate the entire Culture while armed with nothing more than a baby's plastic hammer.

Screwing around with near-omnipotents is not, repeat, not a good idea.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-15 10:31pm

Didn't The Voyager Episode "Q-less" or something like that establish the Q as simply humans with extremely advanced technology?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-15 10:56pm

As a Pro-SW individual I hate to see any sort of star trek figure get the upper hand. Alas, it would be difficult not to take the side of the character who is omnipotent.

Maybe Vader wasn't Sith enough...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-15 11:48pm

The Q are gods.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-16 12:20am

Granted, Q is a trek character, but hes a Trek character that has genocidal tendencies aimed especially towards the Federation. I suspect he's Lord Wong in disguise.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-16 12:23am

Aya wrote:The Q are gods.

While I wouldn't term the Q "gods", they certainly seem capable of displaying "godlike" powers at whim.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-16 12:27am

Sea Skimmer wrote:Didn't The Voyager Episode "Q-less" or something like that establish the Q as simply humans with extremely advanced technology?

The episode you're referring to didn't claim or imply any such thing. Tuvok made a comment about the Q being ominipotent, and the suicidal Q corrected him by saying they weren't ominipotent, but he didn't go into details. So it's established that it's likely the Q have limits, but what those limits are is anyone's guess. Generally, it's accepted the Q employ some type of manipulation of space/time/matter that we simply cannot comprehend, both in Trek and today.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2002-12-16 12:44am

The Q are most definately not humans. I don't even think that their true form is even known.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-16 02:54am

kojikun wrote:Granted, Q is a trek character, but hes a Trek character that has genocidal tendencies aimed especially towards the Federation. I suspect he's Lord Wong in disguise.

Can I put that line in my sig?

P.S. Vader can't hurt Q, but I personally think that Q would have too much fun messing with Vader's mind to kill him.
After all, Q already has fun messing with a bunch of delusional nutcases, doesn't he?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-16 03:43am

this blasphemy you speak of, messing with Vader....

I don't think that's possible, Vader has much better control over his emotions than say....Picard.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-16 05:55am

Darth Fanboy wrote:this blasphemy you speak of, messing with Vader....

I don't think that's possible, Vader has much better control over his emotions than say....Picard.

I meant not dieing when asked to. The best way to make Vader upset.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-12-16 08:45am

Vader is no position to hurt Q, but I think Q would be interrested in Vader, in the same way he was with Picard. Puppy and his master.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-12-16 04:05pm

If Q's powers are simply technology or biologically based, then perhaps their power to manipulate space-time is insignificant next to the power of the force ....

I mean, Darth couldn't blow up a planet, yet in the grand scheme of things it was their dark powers that would determine victory. Maybe a conclave of jedi's could face a Q... who knows.

You basically need something as powerfull as that Q musket, but we don't know what that is.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-16 04:57pm

Zoink wrote:If Q's powers are simply technology or biologically based, then perhaps their power to manipulate space-time is insignificant next to the power of the force ....

I mean, Darth couldn't blow up a planet, yet in the grand scheme of things it was their dark powers that would determine victory. Maybe a conclave of jedi's could face a Q... who knows.

You basically need something as powerfull as that Q musket, but we don't know what that is.

Q Musket? Forgive me for my lack of TNG knowledge but even if Earth could get it we would have too understand how it works.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-16 04:58pm

Captain Lennox wrote:
Zoink wrote:If Q's powers are simply technology or biologically based, then perhaps their power to manipulate space-time is insignificant next to the power of the force ....

I mean, Darth couldn't blow up a planet, yet in the grand scheme of things it was their dark powers that would determine victory. Maybe a conclave of jedi's could face a Q... who knows.

You basically need something as powerfull as that Q musket, but we don't know what that is.
Q Musket? Forgive me for my lack of TNG knowledge but even if Earth could get it we would have too understand how it works.

It was in Voyager actually.

And we don't have to understand how it works if we have a bunch. They just work.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-16 05:03pm

neoolong wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:
Zoink wrote:If Q's powers are simply technology or biologically based, then perhaps their power to manipulate space-time is insignificant next to the power of the force ....

I mean, Darth couldn't blow up a planet, yet in the grand scheme of things it was their dark powers that would determine victory. Maybe a conclave of jedi's could face a Q... who knows.

You basically need something as powerfull as that Q musket, but we don't know what that is.
Q Musket? Forgive me for my lack of TNG knowledge but even if Earth could get it we would have too understand how it works.
It was in Voyager actually.

And we don't have to understand how it works if we have a bunch. They just work.

True, but eventually others may get a hold of them or wear down then you need too make more. As said by one soviet Engineer: "It is 4 times harder too copy an airplane then design a new one."

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2002-12-17 03:42am

kojikun wrote:Granted, Q is a trek character, but hes a Trek character that has genocidal tendencies aimed especially towards the Federation. I suspect he's Lord Wong in disguise.

Based on his previously and proudly stated manliness, Lord Wong wouldn't act that queer even if he was in disguise.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-17 05:14am

I think Q would just play along and pretend like he was choking. Then when Vader thought Q was dead, Q would just spring back up and go "TA'DAAH!!"

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-17 05:42am

I'm sure Q would have many pithy comments for Vader- his funniest lines were teasing Worf- he'd have a field day with a guy in a walking iron-lung.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-17 09:20am

feel free to quote me in your sig whenever. o_o