Who else here is 'converted'?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2002-12-16 12:59am

This may sound stupid but when I came here I was a rabid Trekkie, thought that Imperial ships were big slow easy to kill things, now I know better. Anyone else have the same story?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-16 01:03am

My only change was that I've come to accept ICS. That's all.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-16 01:14am

I originally was convinced that Federation ships and technology could tear the Imperials a new one. However, I'm now fairly certain an Imperial invasion would quickly overwhelm and crush the Federation.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-16 01:16am

I have seen the light!:D

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-16 01:19am

From my time here I have learned that the Federation would dominate against anything SW. Because they just use lasers.

J/K.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-16 01:30am

neoolong wrote:From my time here I have learned that the Federation would dominate against anything SW. Because they just use lasers.

*nods* And since those laser weapons move so slowly, their speed of light is also much slower for Star Wars, thus their 1.5 past lightspeed is many magnitudes slower than real lightspeed.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-12-16 01:40am

Gandalf wrote:This may sound stupid but when I came here I was a rabid Trekkie, thought that Imperial ships were big slow easy to kill things, now I know better. Anyone else have the same story?

I actualy came here with some measure of hope for the Trekies (not in conflict against the Empire). I hoped that ST would correct itself and turn back to the light side. After months here, I am convinced it will never happen and the only possible solution is the death of ST.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2002-12-16 01:44am

I've also come to that conclusion too, they should shut down for 10 -15 years, then come back with a good series with old style writing.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-16 08:34am

My original arguement was that I would hate to be the Borg on the Recieving end of an Ion Cannon Volley.

also
I used to have a bit of ASCII graphics that was rather brutal in it's explanation of ISD vs. Trek.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-12-16 08:54am

I thougth the Federation were stronger the Empire when I first joined SB. But as the time went by my faith on Federation could beat the Empire crumbled.

BenRG · Post by **BenRG** » 2002-12-16 09:59am

I always assumed that, for fairness and ease of writing, an ISD2 and a GCS would be more-or-less on even footing (I hadn't made the connection between 'laser' and 'laser-generated plasma' at that point). However, in retrospect, it is difficult to imagine a 30,000 to 50,000-year old civilisation being troubled millitarily by a culture whose oldest member has only been in space for about 1,500 years (using Diane Duane's figures for the Romulan Exodus from Vulcan).

I am currently writing a ST vs. SW story and I have had to 'wimp-down' the ISD's firepower a lot to make the big battle last long enough not to be a joke.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-16 10:45am

Just 6 months into my membership at SB I accepted that:
The Empire has greater numbers
The Empire has greater industry
The Empire has greater FTL
The total firepower of an ISDs combined weapons outguns a GCS
In short, back in 2000 I accepted that any full scale ST vs SW debate was pointless because the Empire had all the important advantages. I merely debated how much of a bloody nose the Federation could give the Empire.

Did comming here change anything? Not really. Before joining SD.net I had already decided to accept ICS because of the rules of canon, even if I didn't agree with it or believe it. I have learned more about certain aspects of Wars now that I have come here, but my opinions are the same as they were prior to having joined.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-12-16 10:45am

I have actually been 'converted' into watching Trek. I mean some very notable Warsies have recommended series and the movies to watch. I usually stayed very far away from it all. So there you have it.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-12-16 12:22pm

I realized that the ISA would put up a good fight, but lose to the Federation <sob>

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-16 12:26pm

It depends on what you mean by "coming here." When I first read Mike's site, I hadn't really thought about the two universes, but I would have expected the two sides to have comparable levels of technology, even though the UFP was far smaller. Since I read his site, I soon grew to understand that he was correct. My participation in debates has only helped solidify my position, as I have learned that the incidents Mike uses for his website are not isolated, and in fact are parts of a reasonably consistent trend.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-16 01:02pm

Ever since I learned of the debates, I never considered the Federation much of a threat. Too small, too slow, too undergunned, too underpowered, too pacifistic. Of course, I also took up the debating platform that people were concentrating too much on the upper limits of the tech.. Not realizing that humans are in those tin cans.

And I loved pointing out 'You know, let's be generous. Let's be really generous. The E-D's phaser output is equal to an HTL. You have one. We have 64. Now suck it down.'

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-12-16 05:44pm

I posted a topic at theforce.net asking if anyone knew of anywhere that I could find information about how a Star Wars Vs Star Trek battle would turn out and somebody pointed me to stardestroyer.net. I read the site for a couple weeks before registering here in the forums.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-12-16 05:46pm

I was unsure of who would win when I registered btw.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-12-16 09:15pm

Before I the ICS and before I found Wong's site, I was always on the Star Wars side of the debate because I was always more of Star Wars fan. BUT, I always assumed that it was just BARE victory for an ISD over the Enterprise and that it was mostly due to the fact it had fighters and bombers that would support it.

Other than that, I ignorantly believed that since we didn't see much flashy effects and explosions from TL's in SW and we saw them from phasers in Trek I figured that a single TL (didn't even know there were different classes or powers of them) was only a fraction of what a Main Phaser shot was. But due to the sheer number of TL's an ISD had, I still sided with the ISD and figured that its overwhelming number of weaker shots would still have a chance at getting the Enterprise especially when backed up by fighters and bombers.

THEN my friends, came the day when I stumbled across Wong's site. I was completely thrown off guard by the amount of information and effort that he put into it and was almost instantly "converted" and couldn't believe the idiotic things I believed about the whole subject before. Wong backed up everything with clear and solid evidence that I never even considered or gave much thought to and I just couldn't be swayed any other way after that.

The ICS for me, basically just solidified the Star Wars victory once and for all and was really just the Iceing on the cake as far as my view on the debate.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-16 09:30pm

I never considered the fight until I saw this site, and was then enjoined to sw supporters.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-17 01:41am

Originally when I saw the series, I thought it was good. After watching it a second time, I figured out it was mostly BS, the crew smirked every time they met a "primitive" race, the episodes were mostly boring, the acting was shallow, etc, etc, etc.

Before I came here I thought Star Trek was the ugliest piece of crap in the face of the universe... after reading all the facts in this site and reading the debates, now I know that I was being too generous.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-12-17 05:38am

Whelp when i very first compared the 2 universes, i thought trek would win because of all the advanced tech it has. But that was 3 years ago.
Now i've studied the subject and read through all of SD.net and i STILL think trek would kick imperial ass! HA HA!!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-17 06:40am

Galaxy wrote: Now i've studied the subject and read through all of SD.net and i STILL think trek would kick imperial ass! HA HA!!

And that's because you're delusional and cannot comprehend the meaning of overwhelming superior firepower and protection, numbers, speed, industrial output.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-12-17 06:58am

Galaxy wrote:Whelp when i very first compared the 2 universes, i thought trek would win because of all the advanced tech it has. But that was 3 years ago.
Now i've studied the subject and read through all of SD.net and i STILL think trek would kick imperial ass! HA HA!!

One in every crowd...

BabelHuber · Post by **BabelHuber** » 2002-12-17 07:33am

I always thought SW was far superiour to ST, in numbers and power level.

You just need to take a look at the DS or the Death Squadron in TESB and compare it to the puny SW vessels.

However, before visiting Mike´s Site, I enjoyed watching TNG and especially DS9 (not VOY!). Now there are always thoughts in my mind like 'soldiers without helmets and bad small arms! How lousy!' or 'This design really is stupid' or 'This looks like a Nelson-era ship-to-ship-battle' etc.

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