Transporters & sensor-jammers

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2002-12-16 03:37am

Would Startrek transporters be able to beam antimatter into an area with sensor-jammers up.

The 1st point of course can tranporters transport antimatter normally. Unless any one can present a reason why, I'm going for a yes.
Why? Antimatter is matter with an opposite charge than normal. ie an anti-electron(positron), has a positive charge. And an anti-proton has a negative charge. So they need to be able to handle positive & negative charged particals (as well as neutral, but that is a given).

Since transporting without a sensor lock, will effectively fry soemone, what happens when you dotn cary about the condition of the stuff being transported.

As for getting the antimatter into the transporters you could aways put it into some container, & transport the enitre thing(and hope the scrambling with trash the container). Or just beam it directly out of the holding tanks.

But regardless of if Trek can transport antimatter into a sensor jammer area, they wouldnt do it becaue that would involve using their technology properly

and we all know how often they do that

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-18 09:01am

What would be the purpose?

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2002-12-18 09:27am

Purpose would probably be an antimatter bomb that would take out the sensor jammers or imperial vessels in jammed areas.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-18 09:29am

And how are they supposed to get through the shields?

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2002-12-18 09:43am

Dunno, but it was not my idea, wouldn't probably work anyway, when security protocols kick in (provided Starfleet didn't find the idea outrageous and uses any) and the comp wouldn't let the transport start without a specified target. Otherwise, the stuff might materialize finely distributed over a very large area of space - so no antimatter bomb either.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2002-12-18 10:14am

I thought up the idea for a Minbari Federation vs. Earth/UFP Alliance at spacebattles.com

I wanted to get some solid info so I could handle some of the more crazed fivers that sometimes show their heads there.

The idea is to transport a ~ 1/2 kg or so of anti-matter into a ship which doesnt have shields but has sensor jamming. And allow the scrambling effects of a blind transport to break the object containing the anti-matter.

As for the security protocols, since when did the Feds have security protocols that actually stopped you doing anything? More so this would have a transport configured to do this, and you wouldnt let people use it.

As for stuff might materialize finely distributed over a very large area of space, you would have to state why you thing that is the case. By a wide area is it under a cubic metre, cubic metres, or what? Personally I believe that it would materialize finely distributed over ~ a cubic metre which is good if your just transporting antimatter into a ship as that would destroy the ship (very few ships can survive having multi megaton explosions inside, especially in ST& B5).

This would be a useful tactic against imperial walkers if they ever landed on a Federation world(assuming for some reason the Imperials want to capture the planet). It would result in chunks of irradiated, but it would kill the walkers. Might be useful for a suicide tactic, wait on the planet for an Imperial ship to lower its shields to allow the drop ships out, and transport a few tons of antimatter as far into the SW ship as possible. This would require some good timing but has a good chance of killing a Star Destroyer.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-18 10:24am

It would work, we have examples of blind beams downs in canon (Ref Descent) and we have seen antimatter get transported (Ref some Voyager episode, Dark Frontier I think) therefore I see nothing pointing against the use of transporters when heavy jamming is in effect (although given enough time devices that specifically target transporters could probably be fashioned, it would take a long time however).

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-18 10:29am

Might be useful for a suicide tactic, wait on the planet for an Imperial ship to lower its shields to allow the drop ships out, and transport a few tons of antimatter as far into the SW ship as possible. This would require some good timing but has a good chance of killing a Star Destroyer.

Only the hangar bay shields would lower, and even then you have ECM that distorts space-time all around the fleet- would they even know the shields were actually down?

Transporters are notoriously sensitive- the notion that you could use them in heavy sensor jamming enough to transport something on to an enemy vessel is patently ludicrous judging from all the things they're blocked by.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-18 11:17am

Vympel: The vast amount of transporter blocking is actually the sensors themselves being blocked however since blind beaming is possible this isn't a problem.

As for jammnig warping space time, AFAIK we onluy have one instance of that happening and the object doing the jamming with probably packing alot more jammers etc ( also transports at warp are possible but not advised and warp drive warps space time).