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Interdictors and warp drive

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SW interdictor star destroyers use a synthetic/artificial gravitational field to pull ships out of hyperspace.

What effect, if any, would this have on a warp driven vessel?

I submit that a warp drive vessel could resist a gravity trap...after all, Kirk and Co. managed to go to warp in a Klingon Bird of Prey while still in the atmosphere in ST: The Voyage Home.
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Enola Straight wrote:SW interdictor star destroyers use a synthetic/artificial gravitational field to pull ships out of hyperspace.

What effect, if any, would this have on a warp driven vessel?

I submit that a warp drive vessel could resist a gravity trap...after all, Kirk and Co. managed to go to warp in a Klingon Bird of Prey while still in the atmosphere in ST: The Voyage Home.
1. In 'Relics' the Enterprise-D is forced out of warp by the gravity well of a Dyson sphere. The surface gravity of the Dyson sphere was no higher than Earth's. So at lest some of the Federation's starships can be interdicted this way.

2. In 'Once More Unto the Breach' Worf uses an 'inverse graviton beam' (pressumably a anti-gravity beam) to keep Jem'Hadar vessels from going to warp. In 'Solo Command' a Interdictor Cruiser reversed its gravity-well projectors to push a Star Destroyer away.
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Originally, an Interdictor only projected a mass shadow into hyperspace, preventing a ship from using hyperdrive due to the safety cutouts. Since then, poor writing(IMO) has given the Interdictors the capability of actually generating real gravity, as well as being able to reverse the generators. Frankly I think it's bullshit, but I'm stuck with it.
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Crazy Ivan wrote:
Enola Straight wrote:SW interdictor star destroyers use a synthetic/artificial gravitational field to pull ships out of hyperspace.

What effect, if any, would this have on a warp driven vessel?

I submit that a warp drive vessel could resist a gravity trap...after all, Kirk and Co. managed to go to warp in a Klingon Bird of Prey while still in the atmosphere in ST: The Voyage Home.
1. In 'Relics' the Enterprise-D is forced out of warp by the gravity well of a Dyson sphere. The surface gravity of the Dyson sphere was no higher than Earth's. So at lest some of the Federation's starships can be interdicted this way.
I thought E-D was coming out of warp on its own, then suddenly encountered gravimetric shear when re-entering real-space.
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Enola is correct.

PICARD
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Bring us out of warp, Ensign.
All stop.

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(works)
Aye, sir.

The ship is suddenly ROCKED and the alert status goes
to YELLOW. Picard, Riker, & Data move toward their
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Report.

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We have entered a massive
gravitational field.

They all react with surprise.

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There are no stars or other
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sensors indicate the presence of
an extremely strong gravitational
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TheDarkling wrote:Enola is correct.
Oops.

But an Interdictor Cruiser would still be able to trap a Federation starship if they reversed their gravity-well projectors. 8)
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Aye and if my grandmother had wheels she'ed be a wagon.

It really depends upon the range (ST ships arent limited to established transit lanes meaning knocking them out of warp isnt really workable), if the range isnt that great then an interdictor is going to have to keep pace with the Fed ships (which could spli up etc).

I would say its of limited use.
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TheDarkling wrote:Aye and if my grandmother had wheels she'ed be a wagon.

It really depends upon the range (ST ships arent limited to established transit lanes meaning knocking them out of warp isnt really workable), if the range isnt that great then an interdictor is going to have to keep pace with the Fed ships (which could spli up etc).

I would say its of limited use.
I was thinking more of keeping the Feds from going to warp - i.e. retreating. If you are outgunned by orders of magnetude and deside to retreat, only to discover that you can't... :)

And in the EU I get the impression that once you are caught in the middle of a interdictor field there's no way you can get out before you are boarded \ shot to hell.
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How canon are the movies in comparison to the shows? Cause in ST4, the Bird of Prey goes to warp from inside planetary gravity, IIRC. And they also maintain warp while doing that time travel maneuver.

Maybe this is a good time to say "23rd century tech is better than 24th century tech"

Also: All ships, ST or SW, will be in some kind of gravity field if they're in-system, since the sun exerts gravity over all that volume of space.

Now hyperdrive needs an absence of gravity, or is it absence of gravity that is planetary strength? Either way, a SW ship is always in a gravity field, at least whenever close to a planetary body.
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Their going to warp 4, and then still clearing the atmosphere a second later pretty much points that out as being bullshit. At 102C they should have been on their way to venus by then.
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Ender wrote:Their going to warp 4, and then still clearing the atmosphere a second later pretty much points that out as being bullshit. At 102C they should have been on their way to venus by then.
Actually, from what I can recall, the BOP beams up the whales, then, in higher atmosphere, makes a small turn, powers up, and blasts off into warp speed. After that, there's no view of what goes on outside.

That's what I can remember.
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Crazy Ivan wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Enola is correct.
Oops.

But an Interdictor Cruiser would still be able to trap a Federation starship if they reversed their gravity-well projectors. 8)
Unlikely. We have seen Trek ships operate at Warp VERY close to stars.
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Ender wrote:Their going to warp 4, and then still clearing the atmosphere a second later pretty much points that out as being bullshit. At 102C they should have been on their way to venus by then.
Its the same mistake in which they are traveling at Warp-9 in system and you can physically see their approach towards the Sun.
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I rember a certain time-travelling BOP with a sweating Sulu calling out Warp numbers as said BoP made a very close pass around a body that I ~assume~ generates a stronger gravitational field than an Interdictor.

Its the flip side of 'Borg cant beam through SW shields'. The tech in the two universes is just different, and we cant always assume that they do the same things in the same ways.
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If ST ships can operate Warp close to gravity wells how come the Enterprise had to drop outta warp and approach kitomer at medium impulse in ST VI ;UC? id Kirk was so worries about the conference would it not have been quicker to drop outta warp closer to orbit?
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Darth Pounder wrote:If ST ships can operate Warp close to gravity wells how come the Enterprise had to drop outta warp and approach kitomer at medium impulse in ST VI ;UC? id Kirk was so worries about the conference would it not have been quicker to drop outta warp closer to orbit?

Traffic? SOP? We have seen the Enterprise go to warp near all sorts of planterary bodies.

Not to mention Kurns(sp?) Worfs brother went to warp right near the surface of a star.
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In a Voyager episode Seven and generic XO #1 are in a shuttle thats impulse engines get taken out, they attempt to take the shuttle to warp (inside an m class atmosphere) but the ship goes offline before they have chance. however it would seem that going to warp inside a gravity well is possible.
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Alyeska wrote:
Crazy Ivan wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Enola is correct.
Oops.

But an Interdictor Cruiser would still be able to trap a Federation starship if they reversed their gravity-well projectors. 8)
Unlikely. We have seen Trek ships operate at Warp VERY close to stars.
Hello? I said 'if they reversed their gravity-well projectors' - I.e. creating an anti-gravity beam like Worf did in 'Once More Unto the Breach' to keep Jem'Hadar vessels from going to warp.

Perhaps a warp drive that can operate in strong gravity wells, lose efficiency in other areas like speed.
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From what I've read here (and observed in canon), it would appear as though warp-capable ships would not be affected by Interdictor Cruisers. In that area, warp vessels appear to have an advantage...
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Whoa. Tactical use in SW for warp technology. Hm. Stravo can have Rebel ships back in the GFFA warp right through interdict fields in his fanfic....imagine the Imperials' reaction.

We finally found something other then the limited utilization of the transporter for something in ST actually useful in SW.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Whoa. Tactical use in SW for warp technology. Hm. Stravo can have Rebel ships back in the GFFA warp right through interdict fields in his fanfic....imagine the Imperials' reaction.

We finally found something other then the limited utilization of the transporter for something in ST actually useful in SW.
Actually this is older information. This is already known. There is also the strong possibility that upgraded phaser technology would provide an extremely effective planetary assault weapon given its NDF nature and total vaporization. Makes for a frightfull thing.
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Alyeska wrote:Actually this is older information. This is already known. There is also the strong possibility that upgraded phaser technology would provide an extremely effective planetary assault weapon given its NDF nature and total vaporization. Makes for a frightfull thing.
Useless against planetary shields, though. Brute force is still better.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Actually this is older information. This is already known. There is also the strong possibility that upgraded phaser technology would provide an extremely effective planetary assault weapon given its NDF nature and total vaporization. Makes for a frightfull thing.
Useless against planetary shields, though. Brute force is still better.
As I said, makes a good fear weapon. Also, it might NOT be useless against planetary shields. It magnifnies the apparent energy put into the weapon with its effects on the target. Its possible it could do this to shields as well.
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