How any Soveirgn-class ships would it take?

[FaxModem1]

to destroy an Imperial Star Destoyer?

1000
5000
10000
1000000

Just how many would it take?

[Vympel]

Just sheer mathematics or what? For example- do we assume that the number of vessels get to fire their entire torpedo load at the ISD, without being destroyed in return?

[FaxModem1]

Okay, this is full out and out battle, the SD has launched all of its Ties and its Turbolasers are online, just how many ships would the Federation need to stop this threat?

[Captain Kruger]

Jeez, without doing any hard number crunching I'm not really sure. Maybe 50? That's only if they're all Sovereigns, of course. If you include lesser classes, push the number up over 100.

[FaxModem1]

I warn you, take that back or the forum will flame you, they do not take such foolishness so kindly, I would suggest you retract and apologze to them before they kill you.

And I'm trying to warn you, not insultyou

Unlike who else will come

[Ender]

Go to the PSW forum, and look at Bean's work there. It's stikyfied. He worked out how many it would take.

[Captain Kruger]

I warn you, take that back or the forum will flame you, they do not take such foolishness so kindly, I would suggest you retract and apologze to them before they kill you.

And I'm trying to warn you, not insultyou

Unlike who else will come

Huh? WTF are you babbling about?

[Ender]

I warn you, take that back or the forum will flame you, they do not take such foolishness so kindly, I would suggest you retract and apologze to them before they kill you.

And I'm trying to warn you, not insultyou

Unlike who else will come

Huh? WTF are you babbling about?

Your number of required Sovereigns.

[Cpt_Frank]

Though I might update this now to give Warsies everyone a new and better figure for Calcuating Minium Shield Strength.

First off the Incident in Question was the Battle between the Direption and Moonshadow Battle in Issards Revenge where each ship fired broad sides the other's shield sections.

Shielding of an ISD is devided into Six areas according to Bacta War. Port, Starboard, Venteral, Dorsal, For and Aft. Each being equal in strength to the others except when shifted(The strength off all shields can be brought down to restore a faluturing one or failed one to 100% power)


Now then Since these are Minium Despite the Speed and Range of ISD Weapons we are assuming only a Single Broad-Side of all Weapons where fired despite the fact that each had time for as many as fourteen such broadsides we are because it is minium assuming only a Single Broad-side was fired

Now then onto the Calcuations

The know power of the Medium Guns is 200 Gigatons they are the same size as those on the Acclimator Transports

The Heavy Guns are nearly three times larger and thier exact Firepower is unknow however given the size disparites between. However to give us some Frame of Reference Light Guns are just over half a Medium's size meaning we could claim anywhere from 4-12 Times more powerful than a Medium based on Size alone, however we will not claim that much and simple round it to a fair Teraton, A single Teraton, easily within reach.


So that gives us
200 Gigaton-Medium TurboLasers
1 Teraton or 1000 Gigaton-Heavy TurboLasers

Now then a broadside from an ISD can bring 32 HTLs, Roughly 40(Up from Previous Estmate as I forgot the Trench Guns) and 36 LTL(No longer Incudled)

200x40=8,000
1000x32=32,000
32,000+8,000+1,000=40,000 Gigatons or 40 Teratons of Damage Per Shielding Section(Of which there are Six)


Chances are HTLs are more powerful than what we stated, Prehaps not. However one thing we HAVE ignored is there was time for a minium of FIVE Broadsides to be exchange but for purposes of Minium figures Calcuations we shall ignore that, Instead Satisfied with our Simple 41 Teratons or 246 Teratons of Total Shielding around the entire ISD

Now for the "Versies" element that makes this a Sticky for the SW VS ST Forums

Assuming Quantum Torps 128 Megatons in strength and 100% Transferance(IE no lost energy) it would take
41,000,000/128=320,312.5 Missles to take down a Single Section of the ISD's Shields or just shy of half a million Quantum Torps.

For all shields 246,000,000/128=1,921,875 or Just shy of two MILLION Quantum Torpedos to take down every scrap of Shielding on an ISD


As before for our Tradtional 100 Defiant Fleet to launch all those torps which they can do at a rate of 4000 per second it will take them...
320,313(Rounding)/4,000=80.5 Seconds to down a Section of Shields/60= Just over a Mintue twenty to Finaly start landing some Torps on the Surface of an ISD even at minium Power Figures

All the while the ISD gets roughly 64 Shots at them with as little as 38 weapons as many as 140 plus Travel Time. Any of which will Crack any Defant with a single shot....

Questions? Comments? Flaws spoted? Death Threats? Post em

Edit:However it seems I have misdone my Light Turbolaser calcuations so they will be striped from this calc as they still remain an unknow, Drops the minium power figure down to 40 Teratons instead of 41. All references to Lights besides Scalling have been removed

That is using a Defiant fleet which is able to pump out 4000 torpedoes per second, which they really can't.

[Captain Kruger]

I warn you, take that back or the forum will flame you, they do not take such foolishness so kindly, I would suggest you retract and apologze to them before they kill you.

And I'm trying to warn you, not insultyou

Unlike who else will come

Huh? WTF are you babbling about?

Your number of required Sovereigns.

Well I doubt anyone would plan on killing me. As I very clearly stated, I didn't know the numbers off the top of my head, I just pulled a number out of my hat. If it was much lower than what it would really be, oh well. Anyone who's read my posts knows I'm not exactly pro-Trek in this situation.

[Pcm979]

to destroy an Imperial Star Destoyer?

1000
5000
10000
1000000

Just how many would it take?

One Soverign-class Star Destroyer.

[Mr Bean]

Hmm one Soverign class is only armed with one forward arch torp launcher of which it can fire Torps from, it can fire just as fast as a Defiant but it lacks the extra forward arch Torp Launcher that give the 4 per second rate to them so they only get 2 per second and are normaly only armed with proton torps


Sooo from my low end 40 Teraton Figure

Say 500 Sovy's
40,000,000/64=625,000 Missles

500x2=1,000 Torps per second
64 Megatons x1,000= 6.4 Gigatons a second
40,000/6.4=6250 seconds/60=104.16 Mintes/60=1.736 Hours

Ouchies

2,000 Sovies
2,000x2=4,000 Torps per second

64x4,000=256.000 Gigatons per second

40,000/256=156.25 seconds/60=2.46 minutes

Doable if they where not being shot at and keep in mind thats just one shield section to knock down, Also I did not put casuatie rates in there or be nice and up it to Quantum Torps

The 2k Figure will probably be much to low to manage it

I'd put the figure at 4.1k-6.3k in the nessary amount to pound the ISD quick enough and survive long enough to expolite shield holes

[Mr Bean]

Ok lets see, assuming they are trying for Bridge and it only is reforced once

Say the ISD sits there and does not flip so they have to move around it

So roughly 80 Teraton Shielding(Its only brought back up once say)


80,000,000/64=1,250,000 Missles
5000 Sovy'sX2=10,000 Missles per Second
1,250,000/10,000=125 Seconds/60=2.083 Seconds

Ok so 125 Seconds and 100 weapons firing


Assume only ONE in Ten shots hits
125/2=62.5 shots per gun
100x62.5=6250 Possible shots
6250x.1=625 ships lost


So 5k Sovies should do it just fine even with losses just means an extra 30 seconds or so

Possible 4k Could do it, if anyone wants to run the calc fine by me, but 5k Ships can definantly do it in a strait up slugging match

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

to destroy an Imperial Star Destoyer?

1000
5000
10000
1000000

Just how many would it take?

One Soverign-class Star Destroyer.

I KNEW someone would say that!

[CmdrWilkens]

to destroy an Imperial Star Destoyer?

1000
5000
10000
1000000

Just how many would it take?

One Soverign-class Star Destroyer.

I KNEW someone would say that!

Then why didn't you preempt him?

[macman]

I thing it would go something like this:

50 Starships drop out of warp led by the USS Enterprise
Stardestroyer fires destroying 49 ships as torpedoes and phaser hits bounce off the shields..The Enterprise survivies.....

Picard: (As bridge consoles explode all about) REPORT!!!

DATA: We have discovered a weakness which the transphastic subspace nanite whatever we just happen to be carrying can use to create a transwarp subspace thing that will disrupt subspace (Notice how often subspace occurs) and destroy them...

Picard: Fire

Cut to outside shot of Stardestroyer as a small explosion occurs near the
rear of the Star Destroyer..beauty shot of star destroyer for a full 20 seconds (as music swells) and then a black hole opens and devours the star destroyer will leaving the Enterprise completely alone..

Cut to bridge of Enterprise where all battle damage has been repaired and everyone is at their posts

Picard: Thank you Mr. Data

In a real fight I would thank a 1000 ships could do it if they can fire first and use the transphastic torpedoes from Endgame

[Anarchist Bunny]

Lets say they have infinate torps, the Sov has the forward photon trop luancher and the triple quantum launcher, lets say these fire once a second, thats 448 megatons a second. It would take over two days for the Sov to take down the ISD's shields. So times 4000 that is 1,792,000 a second, it still takes those guys 44 seconds to kill the ISD, and they lose 1276 ships in the process if only the MTL and the 8 big guns are firing. This is also counting dead ships still firing.

Please point out in screw ups in my calcs.

[Mr Bean]

Please point out in screw ups in my calcs.

Assuming 100% Accurasy

[CmdrWilkens]

Please point out in screw ups in my calcs.

Assuming 100% Accurasy

On both sides of the battle.

[Mr Bean]

On both sides of the battle.

To bring about a sense of fair play we assume 110% Accurasy on the part of the Federation Crews

[Kamakazie Sith]

Please point out in screw ups in my calcs.

The refresh rate of the shields.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

On both sides of the battle.

To bring about a sense of fair play we assume 110% Accurasy on the part of the Federation Crews

Err...100% accuracy is when everyone of your shots hit the target. 110% would be shots that you never fired hitting the target.

[Mr Bean]

Err...100% accuracy is when everyone of your shots hit the target. 110% would be shots that you never fired hitting the target.

Yep everyone knows of the megaton level damage space dust does to moving ships

[Lord Pounder]

It's all very well saying X amount to feddy ships can kill one ISD but you have to add the chaos theory to the equations. How is the Feddy fleet gonna co ordinate their fleet, what if certain key ships in their formation die etc.

[Anarchist Bunny]

It's all very well saying X amount to feddy ships can kill one ISD but you have to add the chaos theory to the equations. How is the Feddy fleet gonna co ordinate their fleet, what if certain key ships in their formation die etc.

Chaos theory!?!?! Those equations take out logic to give the trek ships a big advantage, with the number of ships able to open fire on the ISD at one time and using ship numbers they don't have. If anything should be added it should be logic, not what ifs of battle.