Sovereign vs Defiant

Darth Valdemar · Post by **Darth Valdemar** » 2002-12-22 03:42pm

Which would win one on one or in an equal-number fleet engagement?

How powerful are the pulse phasers relative to photon or quantum torpedoes?

Darth Valdemar · Post by **Darth Valdemar** » 2002-12-22 03:43pm

Edit: I mean a UFP Sovereign class starship, not a Sovereign class SSD.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-22 05:06pm

Presuming equal numbers, the Sovereigns should take this one, they are main-line battleships up against heavy gunboats. Unless the Defiants do massed ramming runs, in which case they could acheive a no survivors draw.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2002-12-22 05:18pm

Defiant class ships have been seen to pull off moves that Sovies can't, such as in 'Paradise Lost', where the Defiant flips around, and in 'For the Uniform', where it jinks around a bit. For sheer firepower, then yes, the Sovies take it, but agility also comes into play, which means this will be a painful fight for the Sovies- they'll win, but by no means will they win comfortably.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-22 05:24pm

Sovereign. The Defiant has never shown that it can dodge weapons fire, except against fixed weapon emplacements. It's torpedoes and phasers are inferior.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2002-12-22 06:13pm

A Sovereign is MUCH larger than a Defiant... equal numbers seems to be a bit unfair ( because both are dedicated warships ).

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-22 06:20pm

Its not just sheer firepower, the Defiants have to centerline their target for several seconds to deliver signifigant firepower, while the Sovereign has 360 degree firing arcs for the phaser arrays.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-22 06:49pm

As Nemesis showed, the Sovie, while not as agile as the Defiant class, isn't just a fire while moving in a straight line ship. It made attack runs on the Scimitar. The agility difference isn't too great.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-22 07:17pm

But the size factor does multiply the agility difference by a lot, the defiant has to move a couple of hundred feet to escape the effects of an attack, the Sovereign potentially has to move a thousand or more.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-22 07:57pm

Sovereign would win both easily.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-12-22 10:17pm

Soverigan, it would take what pounding the defiants can dish out and return them, the defiant's agility cannot compensate for weaker shields and weapons.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-22 10:23pm

The soverigan fires the HTL and....

wait wrong sovie

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-22 10:45pm

Sovereign would easily take this one. It's outmatches the Defiant by a wide margin. Both where biased towards combat, but the Sovereign has better fire arcs to make up for lesser ability. It has has what, a 25 to 1 advantage in mass? Thats going to let it win rather easily.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-23 02:04pm

Depends on the captains. I think Sisko would maul Picard. While Picard is trying to negotiate Sisko shoots the pretentious mother fucker.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-23 02:04pm

Depends on the captains. I think Sisko would maul Picard. While Picard is trying to negotiate Sisko shoots the pretentious mother fucker.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-23 02:05pm

goddamn double post, can a mod deal with it, and this one please?

Morning Star · Post by **Morning Star** » 2002-12-23 02:34pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Depends on the captains. I think Sisko would maul Picard. While Picard is trying to negotiate Sisko shoots the pretentious mother fucker.

Just a shame that TNG introduced politics to ST. *shudder*

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-12-23 02:51pm

I'd have to give it to the sovereign class.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-12-23 10:46pm

Is there a possibility of pulse phasers being more powerful than the emitter type, making them larger and forceing them to be fixed to the ship? (I might of got this off GK'S site, don't flame) Doesn't the defiant also have more torpedo tubes?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-12-23 10:46pm

Is there a possibility of pulse phasers being more powerful than the emitter type, making them larger and forceing them to be fixed to the ship? (I might of got this off GK'S site, don't flame) Doesn't the defiant also have more torpedo tubes?

Besides the Defiant looks cooler

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-12-24 12:31am

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-12-24 01:42am

There was an instance of the Defiant firing pulse phasers at a Chintaka (was flying towards the Defiant at the time) which caused it to come to a full stop, spin for a second and explode as the Defiant flew by. (DS9: Sacrifice of Angels)

I used to have a vid capture of this, but it got lost in a format. If you really want it, hop on SB and PM "Jupiter" for it. Its ~3 - 4MB and in MPEG format.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-24 02:08am

Vertigo1 wrote:There was an instance of the Defiant firing pulse phasers at a Chintaka (was flying towards the Defiant at the time) which caused it to come to a full stop, spin for a second and explode as the Defiant flew by. (DS9: Sacrifice of Angels)

I used to have a vid capture of this, but it got lost in a format. If you really want it, hop on SB and PM "Jupiter" for it. Its ~3 - 4MB and in MPEG format.

What is a "Chintaka"?

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-12-24 06:43am

Chin'Toka is a major outpost of the Dominion/Cardassian/Breen Alliance.

The vessel he's speaking about was a Hideki-class, a Cardassian military patrolship.

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2002-12-24 07:52am

Sothis wrote:Defiant class ships have been seen to pull off moves that Sovies can't, such as in 'Paradise Lost', where the Defiant flips around, and in 'For the Uniform', where it jinks around a bit. For sheer firepower, then yes, the Sovies take it, but agility also comes into play, which means this will be a painful fight for the Sovies- they'll win, but by no means will they win comfortably.

(rolling eyes) Christ, back to this "maneuverability rules the day" crap again, are you? This is the same guy who thought the Feds could stand a real chance against the Empire since their superior maneuverability would, of course, allow them to dodge the hundreds of TLs coming their way. *uncontrollable laughter ensues*