Star Destroyer vs. Scimitar Starship

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-26 05:02pm

just wondering, couldnt the scimitar starship(or any ship in the ST galaxy) cloak and decloak while moving around the destroyer staying unseen until it fires, i now the star destroyer is bigger and more powerful when it comes to weaponry.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-26 05:18pm

If you are talking could they just pass by each other, possible, it depends on the quality of the ISDs grav sensors and wheather or not it picks up the engine emmissions or heat the Scimitar is radiating.

If you are talking that the ISD knows it is out there and is hunting for it, it just does what the E-E did and opens fire in every direction until it hits. Given that it has more guns and a fast refire rate, it should find it quickly.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-12-26 05:19pm

Wont do any good one hit is all the destroyuer needs and it can fire blind in all directions.Also they hav GCTs to track cloaked ships

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-12-26 05:21pm

Welcome Newbie.

The Star Destroyer can kill the scimitar,and almost all other star trek ships in one shot. So the scimitar is dead even if it uses this tactic.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-26 05:34pm

the question wasnt if the ISD could kill it, because i think we all know the answer to that. the question was wether it would be able to get by unoticed or not.
as previously stated, that depends on wether or not the ISD knows there is a cloaked ship in the area. if so, the answer is most definatly IMO No.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-26 05:40pm

POKE!

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-26 07:38pm

Ok, I will play the role of Devil/Trekkie's Advocate here.

If I remember correctly from The Last Command, didn't the New Republic have to go to Bilgringi to get a CGT because they are so rare. If all ISDs were so equiped, wouldn't the NR have used them immediately to remove the asteroids from Coruscant orbit?

It has been several years since I read the book, so perhaps I am out in the land of wrong on this one.

Also, just to add, besides the ISD firing turbos in every conceivable direction, the could also fire missiles which detonate at predetermined ranges, sorta like the old depth charges.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-26 08:14pm

The gravtiy sensor modification was made when the Vong invaded, and now even fighters mount them. However, whether they are of the same quality as a CGT is open to debate.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-26 08:21pm

Ender wrote:The gravtiy sensor modification was made when the Vong invaded, and now even fighters mount them. However, whether they are of the same quality as a CGT is open to debate.

Considering that the CGT array is supposed to be fair sized and really freaking expensive I doubt it. My guess is it's something of good quality but not of the same fine discrimination as a CGT.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-12-26 09:37pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Ender wrote:The gravtiy sensor modification was made when the Vong invaded, and now even fighters mount them. However, whether they are of the same quality as a CGT is open to debate.
Considering that the CGT array is supposed to be fair sized and really freaking expensive I doubt it. My guess is it's something of good quality but not of the same fine discrimination as a CGT.

Well I think given that a CGT can pick out an asteroid sized mass in LEO there is little question, at least in my mind, that one could pick up a cloaked Trek ship. Whether the grav sensors can do it would depend on how sensitive they are and that would require reading more of the NJO stuff that I'm leery of.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-26 09:43pm

They need CGT's for their OWN cloak-ships, but for ST? Passive infrared.

ST6 showed that this would work. The fact that the Feddies never try it is merely a testament to their astonishing stupidity.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-12-26 09:46pm

A Photon torpedo failed where an old AIM-9E Sidewinder would've done the job. High tech shit...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-26 10:23pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:Well I think given that a CGT can pick out an asteroid sized mass in LEO there is little question, at least in my mind, that one could pick up a cloaked Trek ship. Whether the grav sensors can do it would depend on how sensitive they are and that would require reading more of the NJO stuff that I'm leery of.

I think part of it depends on what the scanners look for. If they are looking for singularities, they don't have to be very good. If they are looking for the gravitic drive or the mass of the ships, they have to be pretty good. Especially if they are looking for the ships, they would be scanning for skips which are 13 meters long.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-12-26 11:41pm

As I recall, all SW ships mounted CGT Arrays with sensitivity at least into the hundreds of thousands of km (from the SW RPG from WEG, IIRC) (and other sources DO credit them with gravitic sensors.) I believe the Far Orbit project sourcebook also credited Nebulon B escort frigates with CGT arrays.

The reason for the Bilbringi CGT array did not seem to be so much a matter that NO SW ship mounts gravitic sensors as the fact that the big, independent CGT arrays were the only kinds with the power and resolution enough to detect them. Even then, the CGT array had to be within thousands of km of the cloaked target to locate it (REf: TLC)

In other words, CGT arrays are just a kind of gravitic sensor, and useful for more than just detecting cloaked ships. Objects under cloaking shields are only detectable by their "mass" through a CGT array, but even then the CGT array needs to be very close to do so. The fact that Imperials own most CGT arrays limits the need for mass baffling (although it seems *possible* to have cloaking that shields against CGT arrays as well.)

It may very well be as well that CGT arrays can allow SOME form of navigation for the ship.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-27 12:01am

Connor MacLeod wrote:As I recall, all SW ships mounted CGT Arrays with sensitivity at least into the hundreds of thousands of km (from the SW RPG from WEG, IIRC) (and other sources DO credit them with gravitic sensors.) I believe the Far Orbit project sourcebook also credited Nebulon B escort frigates with CGT arrays.

Since Shep hasn't finished with Far Orbit yet, do you have quotes for that?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-12-27 12:41am

Ender wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:As I recall, all SW ships mounted CGT Arrays with sensitivity at least into the hundreds of thousands of km (from the SW RPG from WEG, IIRC) (and other sources DO credit them with gravitic sensors.) I believe the Far Orbit project sourcebook also credited Nebulon B escort frigates with CGT arrays.
Since Shep hasn't finished with Far Orbit yet, do you have quotes for that?

Not offhand. I just remember that I read the source before WEG went under, and its stuck in my mind. (IIRC there was reference to "anti fighter turbolasers" as well as cap scale ones on some sorts of defense platforms...)

Unfortunately there were some annoying bits regarding blaster gas (a single cannister held maybe half a dozen to a few dozen shots before needing replacement

- again if Memory serves.)

I'd get on Sheps' back to stop ranting in the forums and work on his sources more

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-12-27 12:43am

Besides which, if the SW RPG indicates that they are a "common sensor type" would suggest that most ships mount them (or could mount them.)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-12-27 12:44am

One of the earlier sources I can think of crediting SW ships with gravitic sensors would be the Corellian Trilogy. And there are numerous incidents involving Gravity well projectors (and detecting their location, activation, etc.. Luke for example was able to tell where the "edge" of a gravity well projector was, and Thrawn's ships could detect gravity wells.)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-12-27 12:45am

I believe also that BActa War with the Lusankya being trapped by Booster TErrick in a Gravity well projector indicates they can scan gravitic fields.,

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-12-27 02:06am

Picard was able to trace cloak vessels using Tachyon signal during the Romulan attempt to supply arms during the Klingons civil war

According to EU and Roleplaying material ISD are equiped with a Tachyon search scanner so there another method of detecting a Romulan cloaked vessel.

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