Super Star Destroyer vs. Voyager the probe

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 03:31am

a Super Star Destroyer comes head to head with the, unkown cloud as called in the star trek motion picture (just wondering what your ideas are on this topic).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-27 03:34am

Flies through the big fake light-show to the small ship in the middle, ignores the lightning-balls (since the Enterprise could handle several of them before failure, and an SSD has many orders of magnitude stronger shields, so it should be able to handle many thousands of hits at a bare minimum), and blasts it to oblivion.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-27 03:35am

PS. Spamming the board with a bunch of no-effort posts is not a good way to convince people that you're not a troll, "Darth Nader".

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-27 03:36am

I have a feeling this guy is just a bot loaded with hundreds of old or meaningless threads.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-12-27 03:36am

You had best watch it Nader, you should not test the admins. patience.

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 04:00am

but voyager disabled or blew up a Klingon bird of prey with one hit of its weapon. wouldnt the probe stop or at least investigate what the SSD is doing so close to it, thats what it did to the enterprise (the probe uploaded itself to the enterprise getting information all about the feds and on how their weapons work) so it disabled the enterprise.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-12-27 04:02am

And so what if the Voyager knows how a turoblaser works? Whats it going to do? Most likley get blasted into a larger-than usual expanding cloud of dust....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-27 04:12am

Notice the moronic "it can blow up ship A, so it must be able to blow up a ship B which is literally a million times more powerful" argument he's using

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 04:36am

i personaly think the probe has the SSD beat, but thats your opinions and i respect that.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-12-27 04:39am

Tell us the reasoning behind that opinion.

macman · Post by **macman** » 2002-12-27 05:11am

Darth Wong wrote:Flies through the big fake light-show to the small ship in the middle, ignores the lightning-balls (since the Enterprise could handle several of them before failure, and an SSD has many orders of magnitude stronger shields, so it should be able to handle many thousands of hits at a bare minimum), and blasts it to oblivion.

At the end (Right after it disabled Earths Defenses..big surprise) didn't release several much larger energy balls that could destroy the planet..would those be able to damage the ship????

Just asking...

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 05:16am

the probe would destroy any ship that would come in its path, it desroyed a few klingon birds of prey in one hit,(the ships had to be at least hundreds of meters away). the enterprise couldnt even come close to the interior of the probe, before it was haulted by a beam. Then the enterprise was useless of its weapons, from then the probe went in to the computers and took every information that the Feds had, how they use battle and weapon tactics.

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 05:25am

yes macman, the probe fired a few bults of energy just to destroy the earth defenses. because it was angry that its creator wasnt alive anymore.

macman · Post by **macman** » 2002-12-27 05:34am

Darth_Nader wrote:yes macman, the probe fired a few bults of energy just to destroy the earth defenses. because it was angry that its creator wasnt alive anymore.

No it disabled Earths Defenses and threatened the earth with large energy balls that according to Spock would destroy the earth..it never actually fired on earth..have you seen the movie???

Dargos · Post by **Dargos** » 2002-12-27 05:43am

Darth_Nader wrote:but voyager disabled or blew up a Klingon bird of prey with one hit of its weapon. wouldnt the probe stop or at least investigate what the SSD is doing so close to it, thats what it did to the enterprise (the probe uploaded itself to the enterprise getting information all about the feds and on how their weapons work) so it disabled the enterprise.

They were not Birds of Prey...they were D-7 Battle Crusers.
More in line with TOS Klingon ships.

And V'Ger would have its ass handed to it in a handbasket for reasons stated in above posts.

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 05:54am

Dargos why do you think that,give me your opinion (And yes i own the movie).

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-12-27 06:16am

Nader, I donot know if you are serious but if your are just look at the the fact that the enterprise survived a hit from the probe.

We know that the Enterprise can survive a strike from several photon torpedoes before they lose their shield, usually 5 torpedoe seem to be able to drop it shield.

we know that that the max fire power of such torpedoes is around 65MT. So 5 X 65 MT = 325MT to drop the Enterprise shield.

Now the a middle range turbo laser yield is around 2000 Gigatons. And a stardestroyer can take entire broadsides ( numbering any where from 30 to 100 Turbolaser)..

So Even if a SSD shield is no more powerful than an ISD, it can withand a million times more hits from the probe than any other ST vessel.

And since it had 1000's of TL it can unlease more destructive power than any ST fleet....

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 06:38am

yes im serious, but what do you think about the probe haulting the enterprise making it useless to move.

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-12-27 06:45am

Nothing that cannot be duplicate by SW vessels. Ever heard of Ion cannons . Disable ships. Or tractor beams that keep them in place.

The probe is no more powerful than any SW ship. Image the effect of an SSD in place of it in the movie. the only different is that the Enterprise would be an expanding cloud of ion gas and earth a lifeless ball of dust..

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 07:03am

wha? are you saying a SSD cant be haulted by a tractor beam or........?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-27 07:10am

ECS = hundreds of times more massive than enterprise and equipped with giant thrusters.
The fact that V'ger could drag the E around doessn't necessarily mean it can do it with the ECS (which won't just sit there and do nothing anyway, remember we're not talking about the Federation, this is the Empire, once they're in range, they will fire their weapons and Voyager is dust).

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2002-12-27 07:18am

i see your point Cpt_Frank.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-27 01:04pm

macman wrote:No it disabled Earths Defenses and threatened the earth with large energy balls that according to Spock would destroy the earth..it never actually fired on earth..have you seen the movie???

Sterilize the Earth, not destroy it. Since an ISD can easily do the same thing, and an SSD can annihilate an ISD, I don't see how any of this proves V'ger would last more than 10 seconds.

Try to understand: an SSD is more than thirty thousand times larger by volume than the E-Nil, and it can still accelerate around 3 times more quickly, even if we use the TM figures. In other words, its engines are around one hundred thousand times as powerful. So V'ger could hold the E-Nil; what idiot would assume that this means it can also hold an SSD?

If you can hold back a shopping cart, does this also mean you can hold back a Mack truck? If you can punch a hole through a car door with your rifle, does this mean you can take down a battleship?

macman · Post by **macman** » 2002-12-27 02:14pm

Maybe a better question (even if it is off thread) is what can hold an ISD?

I was asking if the energy balls would even damage the SSD?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-27 04:12pm

macman wrote:Maybe a better question (even if it is off thread) is what can hold an ISD?

A group of Golan Arms battlestations could do it with their tractor beams, as we saw in VOTF. Obviously, the Death Star could do it.

I was asking if the energy balls would even damage the SSD?

Given infinite time? That's hard to say, since the SSD has a prodigious shield recharge rate. But it's a moot point because V'ger would only get a shot or two off before being reduced to iron filings. Hundreds of heavy turrets firing blasts which are each in the high gigaton range means tens of millions of megatons of firepower being directed at one spot. Bye bye, V'ger.

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Super Star Destroyer vs. Voyager the probe

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the sheer different in power

ever heard about Ion cannons