Funniest Darkstar quotes

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-03 11:40pm

OK, what are all of the funniest Darkstar one-liners? Has anyone scoured his site or his posts on this board to look for the dumbest things he's said? I suddenly find the idea of putting a referenced "Darkstar's Greatest Hits" page on my site rather amusing.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-03 11:40pm

I rather like the one in my sig

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 11:42pm

Maybe just the stupidest quotes period. I think IXJac (sp?) had the most amusing "Weapons do not penetrate armor based on pressure or force."

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-03 11:47pm

What was that one prior to your "debate" with him?

"Actually, Mike has already conceeded the debate."

I think someone has it in his sig.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-01-03 11:51pm

Not exactly one, but good enough.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-04 12:49am

OK, here is everything I thought to be of interest...

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4242

As for "working on assumptions", that is incorrect. I am working from the canon, and attempting to build hypotheses that fit with what the canon shows us and tells us. Further, Conservation of Energy is maintained, in spite of our ignorance as to how this occurred. The Anti-Genesis Effect does not require more mass than the planet can give us. Finally, it serves to explain the ring effect and band effect, which go utterly untouched in "classical" models. There is no known mechanism that would allow a directed energy transfer device (i.e. laser) to produce those rings.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4477

To translate that into projectile weapons, you'd be comparing bullets and missiles. The green beam weapons of AoTC may or may not be based on superlaser technology, speculation and interpretation notwithstanding.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4491
(Speaking of MCR)

It is the superior theory.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4498

Fact 1: The fusion statement is canon, coming from the novelisation of the movie. Get your facts straight. Trillions of tiny Death Star fragments were hurled outward by "the liberated energy of a small artificial sun".

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4517

I had a suspicion about the Death Star, this is true. However, a suspicion in advance does not disqualify the conclusion drawn. My hypothesis is based on the canon evidence. Yours is not.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4615

Hypermatter consists of hyperons, plus a few other exotic things.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4629

The debate is in progress, but so far the only real argument is revolving around Occam's Razor. No mention has been made of what you quote above. Kaz says the classical theory is better because it is simpler, whereas I say the classical theory fails because it does not explain all the facts. His argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the principle of parsimony (he's leaving out the "explains the phenomenon" part).

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4736

The torpedoes were to be used to set up a chain reaction. No problem for the fusion idea there.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#4761

No, I've got it just fine. The classical theory is simple and direct, involving brute force. Okay, fine. However, it fails to account for the observed evidence, and therefore does not fully explain the phenomenon. That is the problem. Occam's Razor demands that the phenomenon be explained first, with the simplest explanation that succeeds in doing so. The classical theory fails on that count.

I'm talking about the bands, not my hypothesis. The bands are canon evidence.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5287

Watch the explosion of the planet frame-by-frame. After the superlaser hits, you'll see a bright band with a darker region where the superlaser actually struck. This bright band will continue until it obscures the left side of the planet. Try again, you'll see what I'm talking about.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5328
The post speaks for itself.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5418

Very well, thank you. Had the author used "like" or "as", or perhaps said something less rigid such as "liberated energy of an exploding sun", you might have something to work with. As it stands, the quote is justifiably used. The fact that you and others are concentrating on that little bit so very much is the part that is remarkable. Why not address the primary point?

I postulate a cause for the bands. The classical theory is silent.
I postulate a cause for the rings. The classical theory is silent.
I postulate a source of the Death Star rings. The classical theory is silent.
I postulate a mechanism for the effects we see. The classical theory is silent.

My hypothesis explains why we see what we see when Alderaan, DS1, and DS2 explode. The classical theory is silent.

Indeed, yours is the position of the creationist, having noted with displeasure all these fossils being discovered without recognizing their meaning. One hypothesis that serves to explain the fossils later, and bingo, your haggis is in the fire for sure.

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Fallacious logic? Just where are we supposed to stop? According to your view, if the quote had said "liberated energy of a small artificial quantum singularity", or "liberated energy of a small matter/antimatter reaction", or even "liberated energy of a proton torpedo", we couldn't draw any conclusions about power sources.

Well, I disagree. So does logic.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5425

I don't need to weaken the Empire for the Federation to defeat it.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5429

1. No fallacies have been employed. Or alternately, if some have inadvertently crept in, you have yet to point them out.

2. I'm not trying to bring power estimates down. I'm trying to use the canon to see how the Death Star works. I even use the 1e38J figure in the analysis, so you're more than welcome to continue using it.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5488

We don't know anything about the superlaser's target dependency. However, based on the rings, band, and so on and so forth, we know a great deal about the fact that the superlaser does not act like a direct energy transfer weapon should.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ight=#5489
Again, his post speaks for itself...

[other stuff not included for the sake of length]

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#48496

As stated, I do not wish to speculate further than the canon allows. However, based on what we know from the Canon, the Superlaser Effect involves some form of matter-energy conversion (approximately 0.0002% of the mass of the planet, assuming an Earth-like planet and 100% conversion). This is sufficient to produce the apparent firepower of 1e38J.

Further than that . . . i.e. the nature of the beam, how it achieves matter-energy conversion, the distribution of the converted matter, and so on . . . involves speculation. All we know is what we can see of the destruction, and the canon evidence of the novel. There may have even been some partial DET component, but given the recent revelation that the clouds were not visibly disturbed by the beam, I need to perform calculations to determine what the DET fraction could possibly have been. Therefore, for the moment, it is not a component of the theory.

(Note: I think I may have previously stated that a partial DET component was likely. If I did, then this constitutes a revision of the theory in the light of the cloud evidence.)

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#48559

I assume 100% only for the sake of demonstrating that Alderaan's mass is more than sufficient to create the postulated 1e38J energy release. All the mass could be converted with .0002% efficiency, and the result would be the same. However, I do not assume that 100% of the mass was converted, since fairly hefty fragments of the planet still exist.

The Superlaser Effect allows for the explanation of the events. DET does not. The simplicity of the theories or whether the nuts-and-bolts are known is irrelevant. Parsimony doesn't even get to look at DET, because Parsimony's doorman parses it first, on the grounds that it does not even try to explain what is seen.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#48571

Pet peeves? Um . . . when the hell did evidence become a pet peeve?

[. . .]

Your problem with me isn't so-called thread hijackings or my 'pet peeves' about silly little things like evidence. Your problem with me is that I am not one of your fawning disciples, I don't fall for your cleverly deceitful sophistries, and can stand my ground against your ridiculous debate style quite nicely, unaffected by your charlatanism.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#49191

WTF? I've never claimed the Superlaser Effect as evidence for itself.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#49225

If you had ever, even once, led me to believe for a moment that you could refrain from such childish behavior in a debate against me, I'd tell you to bring it on. However, you wouldn't be able to hold your inner bastard in check for long. You have an image to maintain . . . disciples to impress . . . propaganda to peddle.

So, I post the facts, and let them speak for themselves.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#49727

A. Alderaan-specific counterarguments:
1. No shield has been observed.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ght=#49791

That's because, as you have pointed out repeatedly, you don't think we actually have to pay attention to what is on screen. You think we should just say "duh, green beam make planet kaboom", and guess DET from there . . . on the pitiful grounds that any observation of the canon besides the simplest violates parsimony. Insane.

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: And I don't see you offeirng a conclusive rebuttal other than an ad-hominem attack. Once again, science is not a Usenet flamewar.
No shit. It's knowledge, gained by the minds of intelligent human beings, at the cost of blood, sweat, and tears, and then promptly ignored by select New Orleans Star Wars geeks.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &highlight

Of course not. Oh, I'd win the points based on reason and evidence, but you'd throw up smokescreens, fling insults like a monkey throwing feces, and do all sorts of other low-brow bullshit. That's your definition of one-on-one debate, and those are the grounds upon which you would declare victory.

I've already told you and everyone else a hundred times . . . I'm not interested in ego and audience . . . I'm here for the facts and evidence.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 01:28am

Someone else can look for it, but it was when I posted two pics of Vader's cybernetic parts (torso and neck) and he basically stated that Vader must have two naturally occuring metalic vertebre and several braces in his neck.

That's when I became convinced that DarkStar was following his personal agenda so blindly that he would claim anything, no matter how insane, if he thought it would add weight to his argument.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-01-04 01:29am

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=guard ... om&rnum=14

"If you want to prove your point, you'll need to do very much better."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=guard ... de&rnum=28

You guys seem to think that Star Trek episodes, screen shots, et cetera are just sitting online ready to leap into our laps.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=guard ... de&rnum=30

RSA: Based on ratings records from treknation.com, Voyager season 7 has consistently netted an average of two or three million households, despite there being areas (mine included) where UPN is not available and Voyager is not syndicated.

Not true. I can watch first run Voyager episodes on two Non-UPN channels, even though I have access to a UPN network. It must be syndicated.

RSA: I didn't say it wasn't syndicated

Huh? "Voyager is not syndicated." Remember writing that? It's still in the message

RSA: And below you'll see what I was referring to:

In other words, you were wrong and are now changing your definitions.

RSA: No. There are areas where UPN is not available and Voyager is not syndicated. That means that "there are areas where A and B", not "there are areas where A, and B is a universal fact."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl ... .dfncis.de

Yes, there's a madman out there who, at last report, wanted my death for my interference in his plans to win back our mutual ex by way of framing me for such lovely items as the firing of automatic weapons into her home, engaging in mail fraud in an effort to get her fired, as well as many other entertaining events.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=guard ... m&rnum=118

RSA: Probably not a good idea to respond whilst intoxicated, but here goes:

Translation: "Well, they didn't buy the 'I don't remember posting that!' excuse the last time I made an ass out of myself, so I'll try this."

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl ... xtra.co.nz

Guardian, let me give you some advice. Just drop this. Do you see how
many people are at you in this thread? It's clear that with these odds
you are not going to win this. Bow out now and hopefully it will all be
forgotten in a few weeks. Staying here is not going to get you any more
popular. Just bow out of the thread.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl ... remarq.com

RSA: Based on the behavior as presented on this site, there are very few people on ASVS with whom I would wish to have any dealings offline.

Did you just call ASVS a 'site'?

RSA: So it would seem. Oops. I guess that's the peril of using RemarQ.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-04 01:32am

I remember lurking around seeing that.

That was quite funny, made me honestly wonder what the fuck was up with him(I remeber someone doing a clips of the RoTJ parts were it showed his skeleton but obviously they were either doctored or fake...I forgot which).

I still like the one of him goading Mike to ban him...those were some classic ones.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 01:35am

That was me who posted them, and they were real. They were the images used to make the effects, and appear in Star Wars Chronicles.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-04 01:39am

Oh very nice...still it truly made me wonder...what the hell was he on?

I mean seriously as I see more and more of him I gotta ask...really is he a batch of squirrels or just some bizarre high scholl experiment gone awry(and while MoO said that if it was a bunch of squirrels they would have to demonstrate a far superior intelligence and discipline to be this moron...I guess that just leaves bad high school experiment gone mad?)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-04 01:41am

If he were actually a bunch of squirrels, I don't think they would have published their own website even after they were banned from ever discussing this topic with anyone of any interest. They certainly should have STOPPED posting, after they were banned. No, he is actually the stupidest person in history.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-04 01:44am

Hmmm I believe there is a rather large amount of evidence for the justification of that particular title.

I mean some of things I saw him say makes any mind boggle...

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-04 01:47am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That was me who posted them, and they were real. They were the images used to make the effects, and appear in Star Wars Chronicles.

I remember when Spanky first posted those Dorkstar first postulated that all humans from the Star Wars galaxy had metal parts as natural parts. I beleive thats when he lost what little support he had from the other resident Trekkers. (Darkling was aghast at Dorkstar's statement and BEGGED him to concede the point, that it was just too asinine.)

Thats when I began to suspect that DS was actually mentally unwell and had it confirmed by the Wong-Darkstar debate. Its not funny, the boy is not well at all.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 04:27am

Then he tried to claim that since those pictures weren't the same colours of real x-rays, that they weren't really x-rays and they didn't have the properties of x-ray images.

Nevermind that they just simply had the colours reversed. Yet he based an entire backtracking on it.

God, I hated him so...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-04 04:35am

Ga! Make the stupidity stop!

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-01-04 03:47pm

Who was it that said:

"If it comes to him conceding a point or sanity being thrown out the window then kiss sanity goodbye"

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-01-04 06:32pm

From ASVS when hetried to prove that the Empire was less than 1000Ly in size.
[quote=Darkstar]
> "it" is a pronoun, it needs an antecedent. The antecedent in this case was
> the word "map" however as you did not have the anteceedent you could
> only guess what it was...in other words since I gave you nothing so you
> pulled shit out of your ass, go wash your hands off.

In the context of the discussion, "it" could only have referred to the
Empire, since the galaxy itself was in the sentence.

Bite it.[/quote]

From the same thread:

[quote=Darkstar]
> Whine all you want, it doesn't change the fact that _you_ screwed up.

That was never in doubt.[/quote]

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-04 06:43pm

The "60 1 megaton TL shots per second for one hour" BDZ estimate -

Oh wait, nevermind

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-04 06:43pm

2000AD wrote:Who was it that said:

"If it comes to him conceding a point or sanity being thrown out the window then kiss sanity goodbye"

That was me, although I'm not sure of the exact quote.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-04 07:11pm

I liked all of the lines suggesting that his name really was appropreate, as the density of his skull approched hypermass proportunes.

Or litteralliy he was so stupid his head imploded and formed a black hole.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-04 07:28pm

Don't know the exact cloak, but where he claims that real life humans and SW humans are not the same, and that SW humans all have metal spines.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-04 07:30pm

Gah, WTF, I mean quote, I don't know why I wrote cloak.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-04 11:07pm

You know how he claimed over and over that his MCR theory explained the rings? Did he ever explain how the MCR explains the rings?

Yes, DorkStar was a bonehead, and I'm sure since then, he has become even more ignorant.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-01-04 11:15pm

my favorite is on his site where he explains the power generation of a SSD, he claims that Star Trek has "Graduated" from wires, transformers and moved to plasma conduits while Star Wars ships use "Simple Electricity".