Al-Qaida Calls For Romes Destruction

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-05 10:15pm

Howedar wrote:The point on the nuke stands, though. The nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrendously inefficient, using something like a tenth of their reaction mass if memory serves. By no means does this make them ineffective.

I'm not talking about operating efficiency. The Hiroshima bomb was technologically incapable of doing any more damage than it did because of its low operating efficiency. That efficiency limitation is taken into account when talking about the maximum damage a weapon can cause. Strategic planners don't tell the president, "And the bomb could do more damage, if we had the technology," because that's just obvious.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-05 11:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:They ended up wounding 1,200 people with a small operation. Still effective AND efficient in my book, as opposed to recruiting
an army of homicidial dwarves to go around kneecapping everyone.
I think you are severely underestimating the tactical effectiveness of homicidal dwarf infantry.

Ah yes, the angry dwarves of Doomforge... Hand a giant tribe its collective ass any day of the week and twice on Sundays... Wait, not those dwarves?

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-04-06 01:07am

Rogue 9 wrote:[The only (nominally) Catholic group I can think of offhand that fits the bill is the Irish Republican Army, and I think they'd have quite a job infiltrating Mecca, being red haired and Irish and all.

I'm moderately reliably informed by a friend of mine who used to live in Moroco and travelled round that region a lot that in several of the old ports in the southern med such as Casablanca there is a significant red headed minority amongst the locals allegedly due to Irish pirates getting shipwrecked or something so the hair might not be so much of a problem, having to spent time in a dry country away from the Guinness though…

MarkIX · Post by **MarkIX** » 2004-04-06 01:23am

apparently there is quite a number of red haed amoung the Marsh arabs as well.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-06 01:46am

Many arab women also like to dye their hair read too.

h0rus · Post by **h0rus** » 2004-04-06 12:43pm

Solauren wrote:If they pulled anything on the Vactican, I can see the Middle east turned into a nice nuclear parking lot. I'm quite sure there is someone out there, that would and could smuggle and detonate a nuke or two or three after something like that.

Pray tell, how do you propose such a device be smuggled in and to get close enough to do damage to those areas. As I hear it, they are protected by a large force of military.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-04-06 01:10pm

Just some commentary, not really related to the main argument.

Howedar wrote:The point on the nuke stands, though. The nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrendously inefficient, using something like a tenth of their reaction mass if memory serves. By no means does this make them ineffective.

Fat Man was ~8% efficient and Little Boy was ~4% efficient, IIRC. Very poor yields.

IP wrote:Again, from the Trinity test, we roughly knew how much energy we would get out of them. We expected effects in the range of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Minor nitpick, not quite. They didn't actually know that Little Boy would have similar effects since it used a different configuration than Trinity (and Fat Man). They knew that it'd work -- just not how much energy would be released (esp. as a gun-type device is rather inefficient).

EDIT: I'm an idiot, this segment has been corrected.

h0rus wrote:Pray tell, how do you propose such a device be smuggled in and to get close enough to do damage to those areas. As I hear it, they are protected by a large force of military.

The size of the defenses surrounding the Vatican (and therefore Rome) isn't what's important -- it is their equipment. If they've got a bunch of handheld radiation detectors (and larger, more sensitive equipment) on patrols it becomes quite a bit more difficult to smuggle stuff in. The types of nukes that terrorists are likely to assemble are probably going to be large and highly inefficient devices and thus easier to detect than, say, a Soviet-type tritium-boosted suitcase nuke.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-04-06 01:16pm

phongn wrote:
IP wrote:Again, from the Trinity test, we roughly knew how much energy we would get out of them. We expected effects in the range of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Minor nitpick, not quite. They didn't actually know that Fat Man would have similar effects since it used a different configuration than Trinity.

I thought Trinity and Fat Man were both plutonium implosion bombs, and it was the uranium gun type which had never been tested (because they knew it would work).

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-04-06 01:19pm

RedImperator wrote:I thought Trinity and Fat Man were both plutonium implosion bombs, and it was the uranium gun type which had never been tested (because they knew it would work).

#($*)#. I'm wrong, I went to verify my thoughts and happened on a webpage that also had improper information

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-04-06 01:22pm

phongn wrote:
RedImperator wrote:I thought Trinity and Fat Man were both plutonium implosion bombs, and it was the uranium gun type which had never been tested (because they knew it would work).
#($*)#. I'm wrong, I went to verify my thoughts and happened on a webpage that also had improper information

Shame on you. What would the Great Leader think?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-06 01:25pm

RedImperator wrote:
phongn wrote:
RedImperator wrote:I thought Trinity and Fat Man were both plutonium implosion bombs, and it was the uranium gun type which had never been tested (because they knew it would work).
#($*)#. I'm wrong, I went to verify my thoughts and happened on a webpage that also had improper information
Shame on you. What would the Great Leader think?

He is the Great Leader.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-06 01:31pm

Not unless Sea Skimmer's been deposed.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-06 02:16pm

MarkIX wrote:Apparently there are quite a number of redheads among the Marsh Arabs as well.

Your source, please?

BTW I took the liberty of proofreading and correcting your post...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-04-06 04:18pm

Durandal wrote:He is the Great Leader.

/dashes for HQ amid the fresh coup.

MarkIX · Post by **MarkIX** » 2004-04-06 11:21pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
MarkIX wrote:Apparently there are quite a number of redheads among the Marsh Arabs as well.
Your source, please?

One of the Thor Hyerdahl Expedition books where they built a reed boat in Iraq I think

BTW I took the liberty of proofreading and correcting your post...

Perhaps you should change your sig then.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-07 12:09am

MarkIX wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
MarkIX wrote:Apparently there are quite a number of redheads among the Marsh Arabs as well.
Your source, please?
One of the Thor Hyerdahl Expedition books where they built a reed boat in Iraq I think

Which one exactly?

MarkIX wrote:
BTW I took the liberty of proofreading and correcting your post...
Perhaps you should change your sig then.

Perhaps you should change your attitude. I made your post readable. The editor I'm aiming my sig at completely destroys the content of someone's post WITHIN THAT POST, not in a quote! Apples to oranges, asshole.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-04-07 12:18am

Actually the persians are fairly caucasian in appearance...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-07 12:19am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Actually the persians are fairly caucasian in appearance...

Okay, that just leaves the matter of his nasty attitude then...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-07 12:29am

Yeah, the Persians are the actual Aryans. None of that German Aryan crap; the Germans are no more Aryan than the African Bantu peoples.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-07 12:32am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Actually the persians are fairly caucasian in appearance...

OO lets see some sterotype Persian (TM) screenshots!

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-07 12:47am

Einhander, what the hell are you going on about?

MarkIX · Post by **MarkIX** » 2004-04-07 01:01am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Perhaps you should change your attitude. I made your post readable. The editor I'm aiming my sig at completely destroys the content of someone's post WITHIN THAT POST, not in a quote! Apples to oranges, asshole.

If it wasn't readable how do you know your interpretation is correct, if it was readable your editing was unnecessary, either way you look like a fool. If I want to make badly spelled posts that harms no-one but myself as neither you nor anyone else has to read them, but it is apparent to me that you seldom read and rarely comprehend my postings, judging by your assinine braying about my attitude.
If you have a problem with me perhaps I am the correct person to take it up with, if so PM me. I will not respond further to this thread jack