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Bush Secretly Ordered Iraq War Plan, Book Says
Woodward Book Accuses Bush Of Keeping Plan From Many Top Aides

POSTED: 1:20 p.m. EDT April 16, 2004

WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush secretly ordered a war plan drawn up against Iraq less than two months after U.S. forces attacked Afghanistan and was so worried the decision would cause a furor he did not tell everyone on his national security team, says a new book on his Iraq policy.


The White House confirmed Thursday that Bush ordered that plans be drawn up.

However, press secretary Scott McClellan said, asking for a plan and implementing it are two different things. He said Bush only issued final orders after a "well documented" process of exhausting alternatives.

Bush feared that if news got out about the Iraq plan as U.S. forces were fighting another conflict, people would think he was too eager for war, journalist Bob Woodward writes in "Plan of Attack," a behind-the-scenes account of the 16 months leading to the Iraq invasion.

Bush did not address those preparations when asked about them Friday, saying, "I do know that it was Afghanistan that was on my mind and I didn't really start focusing on Iraq 'til later on."

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the book, which will be available in bookstores next week.

"I knew what would happen if people thought we were developing a potential war plan for Iraq," Bush is quoted as telling Woodward. "It was such a high-stakes moment and ... it would look like that I was anxious to go to war. And I'm not anxious to go to war."

Bush and his aides have denied accusations they were preoccupied with Iraq at the cost of paying attention to the al-Qaida terrorist threat before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. A commission investigating the attacks just concluded several weeks of extraordinary public testimony from high-ranking government officials. One of them, former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, charged the Bush administration's determination to invade Iraq undermined the war on terror.

Woodward's account fleshes out the degree to which some members of the administration, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney, were focused on Saddam Hussein from the onset of Bush's presidency and even after the terrorist attacks made the destruction of al-Qaida the top priority.

Woodward says Bush pulled Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld aside Nov. 21, 2001 -- when U.S. forces and allies were in control of about half of Afghanistan -- and asked him what kind of war plan he had on Iraq. When Rumsfeld said it was outdated, Bush told him to get started on a fresh one.

Bush said Friday the subject of Iraq came up four days after the terrorist attacks when he met his national security team at Camp David to discuss a response to the assault. "I said let us focus on Afghanistan," he said, taking questions after a meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Asked about the Nov. 21 meeting with Rumsfeld in a cubbyhole office adjacent to the Situation Room, Bush said only, "I can't remember exact dates that far back."

The book says Bush told Rumsfeld to keep quiet about their planning and when the defense secretary asked to bring CIA Director George Tenet into it at some point, the president said not to do so yet.

Even Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was apparently not fully briefed. Woodward said Bush told her that morning he was having Rumsfeld work on Iraq but did not give details.

In an interview two years later, Bush told Woodward that if the news had leaked, it would have caused "enormous international angst and domestic speculation."

The Bush administration's drive toward war with Iraq raised an international furor anyway, alienating longtime allies who did not believe the White House had made a sufficient case against Saddam. Saddam was toppled a year ago and taken into custody last December. But the central figure of al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, remains at large and a threat to the west.

The book says Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the Afghan war as head of Central Command, uttered a string of obscenities when the Pentagon told him to come up with an Iraq war plan in the midst of fighting another conflict.

Woodward, a Washington Post journalist who wrote an earlier book on Bush's anti-terrorism campaign and broke the Watergate scandal with Carl Bernstein, says Cheney's well-known hawkish attitudes on Iraq were frequently decisive in Bush's decision-making.

Cheney pressed the outgoing Clinton administration to brief Bush on the Iraq threat before he took office, Woodward writes.

In August 2002, when Bush talked publicly of being a patient man who would weigh Iraqi options carefully, the vice president took the administration's Iraq policy on a harder track in a speech declaring the weapons inspections ineffective. Cheney's speech was viewed as the beginning of a campaign to undermine or overthrow Saddam. Woodward said Bush let Cheney make the speech without asking what he would say.

The vice president also figured prominently in a protracted decision March 19, 2003, to strike Iraq before a 48-hour ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to leave the country had expired.

When the CIA and its Iraqi sources reported that Saddam's sons and other family members were at a small palace, and Saddam was on his way to join them, Bush's top advisers debated whether to strike ahead of plan.

Franks was against it, saying it was unfair to move before a deadline announced to the other side, the book says. Rumsfeld and Rice favored the early strike, and Secretary of State Colin Powell leaned that way.

But Bush did not make his decision until he had cleared everyone out of the Oval Office except the vice president. "I think we ought to go for it," Cheney is quoted as saying. Bush did.

U.S. forces unleashed bombs and cruise missiles, blanketing the compound but missing the palace. Tenet called the White House before dawn to say the Iraqi leader had been killed. But his optimism was premature. Saddam was alive.

The 468-page book is published by Simon & Schuster. Woodward will be interviewed on CBS' "60 Minutes" Sunday night to promote the book.
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I think everyone knows that Bush was chomping at the bit for an excuse to attack Iraq. No one in his right mind can seriously doubt that any more; this book merely adds fuel to the fire.
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Am I right in thinking that this lends further credibility to Richard Clarke's testimony about Bush?
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I think that after several months of this insanity, Richard Clarke's testimony has all the credability it needs. Bush was looking for an excuse to kill or capture Saddam, while ignoring the more important problem of Bin Laden.
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:I think that after several months of this insanity, Richard Clarke's testimony has all the credability it needs. Bush was looking for an excuse to kill or capture Saddam, while ignoring the more important problem of Bin Laden.
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There's also another theory I've heard going around that I find interesting. It essentially states that W ignored the 9/11 warnings and went after Iraq because of his Christian beliefs; remember, Revelations states that second coming of Christ cannot occur until the Holy Land is reclaimed, or something to that extent; Iraq and his support of Israel's 'peace plan' are stepping stones in that plan.

It's far-fetched, I know, but the more that W uses religion to justify his policies, the more I can't help but wonder...
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JME2 wrote:There's also another theory I've heard going around that I find interesting. It essentially states that W ignored the 9/11 warnings and went after Iraq because of his Christian beliefs; remember, Revelations states that second coming of Christ cannot occur until the Holy Land is reclaimed, or something to that extent;
No, it doesn't. It requires Israel, which is why fundies are so attached to the Jewish state (they need them they so the rapture can come and send all the Jews to Hell, right?).
Iraq and his support of Israel's 'peace plan' are stepping stones in that plan. It's far-fetched, I know, but the more that W uses religion to justify his policies, the more I can't help but wonder...
I think the invasion of Iraq was just a prototype test-bed for the Neo-Conservative ideal of promoting democracy. Now that it is in the process of failing, and will almost certainly prove a definitive failure, that's out the window.
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Pablo Sanchez wrote: Now that it is in the process of failing, and will almost certainly prove a definitive failure, that's out the window.
Bush will declare it a triumph as long as he can - at least as I see it, even though he either know's he's wrong or is too stupid to know; I go with the latter, personally...
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Pablo Sanchez wrote:
JME2 wrote:There's also another theory I've heard going around that I find interesting. It essentially states that W ignored the 9/11 warnings and went after Iraq because of his Christian beliefs; remember, Revelations states that second coming of Christ cannot occur until the Holy Land is reclaimed, or something to that extent;
No, it doesn't. It requires Israel, which is why fundies are so attached to the Jewish state (they need them they so the rapture can come and send all the Jews to Hell, right?)..
You're assuming these are intelligent fundies we're talking about (whoa, there's an oxymoron if there ever was one). After all, if you read the Left Behind books, the Antichrist plans to build his capital in Babylon, but he couldn't with Saddam in Iraq because, well, the country can only have one despot at a time and Saddam with his WMDs would keep the AC from building his worldwide evil capital. :wink:
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I always wondered; why Bablyon? Because it persecuted the Jews? The Roman Empire beat the everliving fuck out of the Jews and drove them to all the corners of Europe, and then the Pope's Crusades resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of more Jews. I think a truly fitting capital would be Rome.
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In Revelations there is a great deal about the whore Babylon, so Left Behind as a more-or-less literal interpretation of Revelation probably chose Babylon.

Of course you are quite right that Rome would be more fitting, since Babylon was just code for Rome in Revelations anyway.
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Eframepilot wrote:In Revelations there is a great deal about the whore Babylon, so Left Behind as a more-or-less literal interpretation of Revelation probably chose Babylon.

Of course you are quite right that Rome would be more fitting, since Babylon was just code for Rome in Revelations anyway.
Which goes back into another one of those theories (and I shit you not, this is from the latest issue of Fortune, I believe), which states that Bush's statements are code being sent to groupd like the Illumanati or stuff like that - if you believe it, anyway... :roll:
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JME2 wrote: Which goes back into another one of those theories (and I shit you not, this is from the latest issue of Fortune, I believe), which states that Bush's statements are code being sent to groupd like the Illumanati or stuff like that - if you believe it, anyway... :roll:
Cant the fucker send a fax and spare us all that crap?
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Keevan_Colton wrote:
JME2 wrote: Which goes back into another one of those theories (and I shit you not, this is from the latest issue of Fortune, I believe), which states that Bush's statements are code being sent to groupd like the Illumanati or stuff like that - if you believe it, anyway... :roll:
Cant the fucker send a fax and spare us all that crap?
When you say fucker, are you calling me a fucker or Bush or the magazine?
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JME2 wrote: When you say fucker, are you calling me a fucker or Bush or the magazine?
Bush when talking to his illuminati buddies ;)
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It always amuses me to see people who don't understand Bush. So many poeple spend so many time analyzing his "true motives" and fail to realize that he's usually telling the truth plain out.
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Smiling Bandit wrote:It always amuses me to see people who don't understand Bush. So many poeple spend so many time analyzing his "true motives" and fail to realize that he's usually telling the truth plain out.
The problem is we're all used to conniving smart presidents. He's just a good intentioned moron who thinks he's in the right.
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Keevan_Colton wrote:
JME2 wrote: When you say fucker, are you calling me a fucker or Bush or the magazine?
Bush when talking to his illuminati buddies ;)
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