Saddam Could Call CIA in His Defense
by Sanjay Suri
LONDON - Evidence offered by a top CIA man could confirm the testimony given by Saddam Hussein at the opening of his trial in Baghdad Thursday that he knew of the Halabja massacre only from the newspapers.
Thousands were reported killed in the gassing of Iraqi Kurds in Halabja in the north of Iraq in March 1988 toward the end of Iraq's eight-year war with Iran. The gassing of the Kurds has long been held to be the work of Ali Hassan al-Majid, named in the West because of that association as "Chemical Ali." Saddam Hussein is widely alleged to have ordered Ali to carry out the chemical attack.
The Halabja massacre is now prominent among the charges read out against Saddam in the Baghdad court. When that charge was read out, Saddam replied that he had read about the massacre in a newspaper. Saddam has denied these allegations ever since they were made. But now with a trial on, he could summon a witness in his defense with the potential to blow apart the charge and create one of the greatest diplomatic disasters the United States has ever known.
A report prepared by the top CIA official handling the matter says Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the massacre, and indicates that it was the work of Iranians. Further, the Scott inquiry on the role of the British government has gathered evidence that following the massacre the United States in fact armed Saddam Hussein to counter the Iranians chemicals for chemicals.
Few believe that a CIA man would attend a court hearing in Baghdad in defense of Saddam. But in this case the CIA boss has gone public with his evidence, and this evidence has been in the public domain for more than a year.
The CIA officer Stephen C. Pelletiere was the agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. As professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, he says he was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf.
In addition, he says he headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States, and the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.
Pelletiere went public with his information on no less a platform than The New York Times in an article on January 31 last year titled "A War Crime or an Act of War?" The article which challenged the case for war quoted U.S. President George W. Bush as saying: "The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured."
Pelletiere says the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report following the Halabja gassing, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need- to-know basis. "That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas," he wrote in The New York Times.
The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja, he said. "The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent, that is, a cyanide-based gas, which Iran was known to use. "The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time."
Pelletiere writes that these facts have "long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned."
Pelletiere wrote that Saddam Hussein has much to answer for in the area of human rights abuses. "But accusing him of gassing his own people at Halabja as an act of genocide is not correct, because as far as the information we have goes, all of the cases where gas was used involved battles. These were tragedies of war. There may be justifications for invading Iraq, but Halabja is not one of them."
Pelletiere has maintained his position. All Saddam would have to do in court now is to cite The New York Times article even if the court would not summon Pelletiere. The issues raised in the article would themselves be sufficient to raise serious questions about the charges filed against Saddam, and in turn the justifications offered last year for invading Iraq.
The Halabja killings were cited not just by Bush but by British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify his case for going along with a U.S. invasion of Iraq. A British government dossier released to justify the war on Iraq says that "Saddam has used chemical weapons, not only against an enemy state, but against his own people." An inquiry report in 1996 by Lord Justice Scott in what came to be known as the arms-to-Iraq affair gave dramatic pointers to what followed after Halabja. After the use of poison gas in 1988 both the United States and Britain began to supply Saddam Hussein with even more chemical weapons.
The Scott inquiry had been set up in 1992 following the collapse of the trial in the case of Matrix Churchill, a British firm exporting equipment to Iraq that could be put to military use.
Three senior executives of Matrix Churchill said the government knew what Matrix Churchill was doing, and that its managing director Paul Henderson had been supplying information about Iraq to the British intelligence agencies on a regular basis.
The inquiry revealed details of the British government's secret decision to supply Saddam with even more weapons-related equipment after the Halabja killings.
Former British foreign secretary Geoffrey Howe was found to have written that the end of the Iraq-Iran war could mean "major opportunities for British industry" in military exports, but he wanted to keep that proposal quiet.
"It could look very cynical if so soon after expressing outrage about the treatment of the Kurds, we adopt a more flexible approach to arms sales," one of his officials told the Scott inquiry. Lord Scott condemned the government's decision to change its policy, while keeping MPs and the public in the dark.
Soon after the attack, the United States approved the export to Iraq of virus cultures and a billion-dollar contract to design and build a petrochemical plant the Iraqis planned to use to produce mustard gas.
Saddam Hussein has appeared so far without a lawyer to defend him. A Jordanian firm is reported to be speaking up for him. But the real defense for him could be waiting for him in Washington and London.
(Inter Press Service)
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He is one, and this shall shoot him down rather harshly as it gets closer and closer.Guy N. Cognito wrote:Why do I think that this trial will end up making Bush look like more of an idiot as time passes?
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You just know that Saddam is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that he's got on the US during this trial. Let's just hope he's not allowed to have his lawyers call and cross-examine witnesses during this trial.
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Why?Gil Hamilton wrote:You just know that Saddam is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that he's got on the US during this trial. Let's just hope he's not allowed to have his lawyers call and cross-examine witnesses during this trial.
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Why bother with a trial then?Gil Hamilton wrote:You just know that Saddam is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that he's got on the US during this trial. Let's just hope he's not allowed to have his lawyers call and cross-examine witnesses during this trial.
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I ask the same question.Keevan_Colton wrote:Why?Gil Hamilton wrote:You just know that Saddam is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that he's got on the US during this trial. Let's just hope he's not allowed to have his lawyers call and cross-examine witnesses during this trial.
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Because then his lawyers can ask really uncomfortable questions to people who are legally obliged to answer honestly or they purger themselves that I'm sure the United States would not like them to answer, even if they are only marginally relevant.Keevan_Colton wrote:Why?Gil Hamilton wrote:You just know that Saddam is going to reveal every bit of dirty laundry that he's got on the US during this trial. Let's just hope he's not allowed to have his lawyers call and cross-examine witnesses during this trial.
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I ask again, how is public disclosure of these things bad?
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It's not and I never said it wasn't. However, it's going to make this needlessly long, drawn out, and messy. Considering that the verdict and the sentence was already reached long before the trial started (it's impossible for Saddam to get anything other than guilty/death by hanging, aside from the fact that he deserves it since any other verdict would be politically bad), I don't see the need to draw this out into an enormous possibly year long affair with a matching three ring media circus.Howedar wrote:I ask again, how is public disclosure of these things bad?
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Might as well, Saddam was right when he said that the trial was theatre.Uraniun235 wrote:Gee, maybe we should have just skipped the trial altogether...
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I was wondering why Saddam didn't get turned over to the Hague, but then I realized that if Saddam got tried in an International court, every little bit of the US's dirty laundry involving Iraq would be hung out for everybody in the world to see. That's really, really bad for a US president trying to get re-elected, so I can understand why he wouldn't really want full disclosure on this whole mess.
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Personally, I hope all the laundry does come out.
Force the US to clean up it's foreign policy and so forth
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To be fair, every US Administration going back to Reagan has laid the responsibility for the Halabja massacare at Saddam's feet. This is not an invention of the current administration alone.Chardok wrote:You mean yet another one of Bush's arguments for invading a sovereign nation are being blasted out of the water?! Jeepers! It's almost as if he was looking for a reason, ANY reason to go to war!
Now that I think about it, you're right. Criticism withdrawn.Augustus wrote:To be fair, every US Administration going back to Reagan has laid the responsibility for the Halabja massacare at Saddam's feet. This is not an invention of the current administration alone.Chardok wrote:You mean yet another one of Bush's arguments for invading a sovereign nation are being blasted out of the water?! Jeepers! It's almost as if he was looking for a reason, ANY reason to go to war!
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The other thing is that there is no dead penalty in the Hague.irishmick79 wrote:I was wondering why Saddam didn't get turned over to the Hague, but then I realized that if Saddam got tried in an International court, every little bit of the US's dirty laundry involving Iraq would be hung out for everybody in the world to see. That's really, really bad for a US president trying to get re-elected, so I can understand why he wouldn't really want full disclosure on this whole mess.
I think many people from Iraq would be unsatisfied with life in prison.
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Thats very big of you.Chardok wrote:Now that I think about it, you're right. Criticism withdrawn.Augustus wrote:To be fair, every US Administration going back to Reagan has laid the responsibility for the Halabja massacare at Saddam's feet. This is not an invention of the current administration alone.Chardok wrote:You mean yet another one of Bush's arguments for invading a sovereign nation are being blasted out of the water?! Jeepers! It's almost as if he was looking for a reason, ANY reason to go to war!
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What doesn't make Bush look like an idiot?Guy N. Cognito wrote:Why do I think that this trial will end up making Bush look like more of an idiot as time passes?
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He can either allow the trial and look like a complete idiot, or just let him free with a slap on the wrist, and look like a stupid wimp, or simply execute him summarily and look like a tyrannical asshole. It's a win-win situation.Guy N. Cognito wrote:Why do I think that this trial will end up making Bush look like more of an idiot as time passes?
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The trial needs to be in Iraq for other reasons-- if Saddam is whisked away to an International Court-- in Europe at that-- then it can be taken as another display of "Western Imperial Arrogance" trumping the need for the "Arab people to seek their own justice".
Lots of dirty laundry will come out-- and actually the sooner the better. Bush himself admitted in a speech several months ago that the US was guilty of supporting tyrant regimes in the region in order to square away easy access to resources. Lets see just where the trails lead. Maybe a big housecleaning will take place in both the MidEast and the US as well.
Lots of dirty laundry will come out-- and actually the sooner the better. Bush himself admitted in a speech several months ago that the US was guilty of supporting tyrant regimes in the region in order to square away easy access to resources. Lets see just where the trails lead. Maybe a big housecleaning will take place in both the MidEast and the US as well.
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In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
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How this court turns out will depend on how much politics Saddam and his defence is allowed to introduce to confuse the evidence. The only defence Saddam have is to turn the trial into a political show, and he have a much better chance of doing that in far off anti US Haag among burocrats and technicalities than he have in Iraq among the massgraves and relatives of his victims.
A dictator in a totalitarian state have no real defence when it comes to crimes comitted by his regime. Perhaps Saddam intends to confess to being a CIA agent who were simply following orders...
A dictator in a totalitarian state have no real defence when it comes to crimes comitted by his regime. Perhaps Saddam intends to confess to being a CIA agent who were simply following orders...
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