Will we ever have a world government?

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-07-10 02:32am

kojikun wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Russia is and always has been a European country.
Note: In the field of Geography, Russia is it's own realm, as opposed to the European Realm. And region known as Western Europe consists of France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and the Benelux countries. But thats really technical and not typical usage.

Yes, but ethnically and politically, Russia is European. Most of its centers of population are in Europe. It's main ethnic group is Slav. It's main language is European. Its main alliances have always been with Europe. Russia looks toward Europe more than towards Asia.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-10 02:38am

I was just speakig geographically speaking, where it's considered its own separate entity because of it's distinctions from Europe. Overall, yeah, its definitely European, but not in geographical terms.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-07-10 02:48am

TheDarkling wrote:Russia is and always has been a European country.
They didn't wander into WW1, WW2, the Napoleonic wars, the Seven Years War and many others because they took a wrong turn by Warsaw.

That also doesn't explain a lack of nationalism, nor would it explain why former members of the big bad empire were trying to get in or people who had been fence sitters (Finland, Yugoslavia) sought EU membership.

Then perhaps you'll care to explain that despite all the destructive conflicts they had fought in the past without crushing their nationalistic ambitions, why Western Europe didn't decide to work together and forget nationalism until after WWII? Why is it that while nationalism is dead in Western Europe that it is alive and well in Russia?

Also a small note: the ex-Communist bloc countries who recently joined the EU were really held in the Soviet sphere against their will: Remember what happened to Hungary in '56, or Czechslovakia in '68? They were more than too happy to ditch the USSR when given a chance in the late '80s...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-10 02:52am

Most of the SSRs were happy to deconstruct the USSR and become independent, and once peretroika became policy, nationalist movements gained momentum, because of the relocation of power more into each republic and away from Moscow. Fuck, look at Lithuania, who's own communist party dissolved ties with Moscow, and Sijudas, which had a huge majority of the population behind it.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-10 02:57am

spelling correction:

sijudas == sajudis

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-07-11 10:55am

a prerequisite of world government is world peace, and we all know how soon that is going to happen.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-11 01:21pm

You.. you mean now that we've ousted Saddam Hussein we WON'T have world peace?! NO!

lukexcom · Post by **lukexcom** » 2004-07-11 08:58pm

Looking somewhat more near-term, how possible would it be to have, i.e. continent-nations, i.e. US, Canada, Mexico joining into a confederacy and working closer and closer from there, or EU+Russia; so we would have a situation of two or maybe three hyper-powers and maybe 50 remaining countries as insignificant and irrelevant to world affairs as a mosquito on an Elephant's ass?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 09:09pm

I would say that a US-Canada union similar to the EU is plausible in the near future.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-07-12 01:10am

There probably won't be a global government, per se, in the near future. However, you may see a lot of global governance(i.e. institutions like the IMF that maintain economic order, possibly even a UN standing army) in the near future, especially since these things are often encouraged by the industrialized nations that control them.

This could in time lead to a global government, especially if some catastrophe happens, but more likely the integration of international institutions with the various national governments would turn into something very similar to a global government.

Dargos · Post by **Dargos** » 2004-07-12 08:13am

There will be no world government until a global cataclysm forces the governments of competing nations to work together for survival.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2004-07-12 07:48pm

Perhaps a closer relationship will grow between the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan.

Trade, military, and cultural ties do bond the countries together in some degree.