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Those crazy Iranian fundies are at it again.

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Women's underwear, monkeys among latest targets of Tehran vice crackdown

This reminds me of a recent thread where someone posted a link to an article that showed a number of women in Iran flouting the traditional women's garb, and instead of wearing the long, concealing robes and head coverings, were sporting headscarves that allowd some of their hair to be seen, and pants and jackets like western women often wear. Well, evidently this doesn't sit too well with the theocrats.
The report comes amid a general crackdown on women deemed to be "badly veiled," which has seen police in the capital Tehran and other cities round up hundreds of women sporting flimsy headscarves, three-quarter-length trousers and shape-revealing coats.
I'm also disheartened to see, in the article, President Mohammad Khatami referred to as "one of the few moderates still in office".

Now we keep hearing how strong the urge for reform in Iran is, yet the moderates are apparently losing ifluence in the government. so how imminent can reform really be? What looks more likely, at this point, is that the fundies will tighten their grip, and any reform will be stifled until the resentment of it boils over, and we may get a coup d'etat. In other words, things will get worse before they get better, and when they do get better, it may not be through peaceful reform.

Or it may not boil over, and we could get a country that, like North Korea, just goes on and on being a shitty, depressed third world hellhole with no end in sight.
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Hmm, anybody notice when this swing to the right began? Anybody at all?
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Didn't anyone follow the elections when they happened?

A load of the liberals or whatever they are called(my memory isn't that good) were disqualified from standing. Therefore they couldn't get elected. Many moderates therefore boycotted the election.

There was also some public feeling that the liberals were inefective since the [people who are not ellected and rather religious and conservative] (memory still not working) blocked a lot of their stuff.
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You have to get approval from the committee of clerics to run for office in Iran. In the last elections the clerics up and threw alot of people out of the running, most of whom were:

A liberial to moderate
B committed to reform
C popular enough to ensure victory

Basically the clerics decided that enough was enough, they weren't going to let something like the will of the people destory their little theocracy paridise. I'll bet we see alot more of stuff like this.
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What Iran needs is a nice massive revolution, preferably with some horrible deaths for the clerics.
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Not going to happen with the inferstructure in place now. The clerics came to power in a massive bloody revolution and have taken pains to prevent a repeat against them.
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Iceberg wrote:Hmm, anybody notice when this swing to the right began? Anybody at all?
About 2 years before Sept 11. It happened right after a big Newsweek piece on modernizing Iran, where they praised Khatami (or someone with a Kh name, I want to say Khamenei) and all the reforms he was making.
I remember reading about the huge crackdowns and all the reformers being pushed out of office a few weeks later.
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What Iran needs is a nice massive revolution, preferably with some horrible deaths for the clerics.
What Iran needs is slow reform, where nobody has to die. Everytime some reform makes life better for people, it's harder for the clerics to take it away again. Eventually there will be change.

Do you think we English just decided to have a democratic parliament one day? No, it evolved over time. I say we let Iran do the same.
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Prozac the Robert wrote:
What Iran needs is a nice massive revolution, preferably with some horrible deaths for the clerics.
What Iran needs is slow reform, where nobody has to die. Everytime some reform makes life better for people, it's harder for the clerics to take it away again. Eventually there will be change.

Do you think we English just decided to have a democratic parliament one day? No, it evolved over time. I say we let Iran do the same.
Uh... you are also forgetting things like King John being compelled by threat of force to sign the Magna Carta, the English Civil War and the execution of King Charles I, and the "Glorious Revolution", which all played a part in increasing the power of parliament at the expense of the king. This process was most assuredly not bloodless, and people did have to die to make it happen.

I agree that bloodless reform would be ideal. But since the moderates in Iran appear to be losing power, this does not appear likely to happen, especially as the theocrats will not willingly relinquish power. They may, in the end, have to be compelled to do so. That is not likely to be bloodless either.
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There was war, but in more recent times the power of both the monarch and the house of lords have simply crept downwards.

And to be honest I expressed myself kind of badly there. The stuff about letting things improve was more aimed at the nuke-em crowd.
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Iran dosen't need slow reform.

A slow reforming Iran can still funnel millions into Hezbollah and Hamas. A slow reforming Iran can still pursue Nuclear Weapons. A slow reforming Iran can still make a show at "reform" itself, and thus be no different from the status quo Iran. And a slow reforming Iran can still harbor Al-Qaeda.

The Mullahcracy needs to be tossed, and the sooner the better. How you do this is anyones guess.

As an aside, if W. had put the War Machine in neutral for just a little longer, an Iranian invasion would have proved much more manageable, in terms of international opinion and recent revelations, than "Iraqi Freedom".
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