51% of Israeli Teens are racist scumbags

[Ace Pace]

I'll transcribe the whole article if needed, but I think the survey speaks for itself.

67% Belive a strong leader can fix more then any laws.
67% Belive arabs would destroy israel if they could.
51% Belive "We need to prevent Israeli Arabs from the right to vote and enter the Knesset. our ruling body
33% Belive democracy should be limited whenever there is a light threat upon the country.
20% Belive a non democratic goverment that the "questioned" supports is better then a democratic one.
Only 9.5% Belive Democracy is the most importent principle.

There you have it, there is NO "next generation" of idealists, only another racist group bred into hatred.
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[CJvR]

67% Belive a strong leader can fix more then any laws.
67% Belive arabs would destroy israel if they could.
51% Belive "We need to prevent Israeli Arabs from the right to vote and enter the Knesset. our ruling body
33% Belive democracy should be limited whenever there is a light threat upon the country.
20% Belive a non democratic goverment that the "questioned" supports is better then a democratic one.
Only 9.5% Belive Democracy is the most importent principle.

Considering that they have been at war for over half a century that are hardly surprising figures. Strong leadership is essential in war, that only two out of three belive the Arabs when they say they want to whipe Israel off the map is intresting. To the Israeli a light threat is probably something a goverment in a more civilized corner of the world would consider a very grave threat, living in a warzone tend to harden you. Also the 20% favoring dictatorial goverment is not really that odd, if you add up all the anti democratic factions in western Europe you would probably land around the 10% mark. The 90,5% that picked survival might have a point... I find the willingness to persecute the Israeli arab population to be the most disturbing answer, given the events of the last half century the Israeli arabs have been remarkably loyal to the state.

[Ace Pace]

The problem is that things like Democracy, leaders checked by the populance, equal rights to all, are hammered into exactly the people the survey tests (14-18 High school, 21-24 just out of army).

It actully is, since after 93' there was alot of noise about the so called Candle Generation (a bunch of semi-hippies had candle vigils after Rabin died), that would start voting for peace.

The main problem I see, is that no ammount of teaching can erase home indoctrination and the relentless images of dead Israelies everywhere, and being very much in a siege mentality.
We have 6 guards on my school's street, you get metal detectored into malls, searched before restaurants, you feel constantly under threat, with every day the radio\TV announcing more bomb threats and more IDF soldiers wounded\dead.

[Coyote]

Fuck-- things have gone seriously downhill since I was last there. There was a lot more optimism back in the '98-'02 era, but then again many thought the new Intifada would wear out after awhile and there were still visions of Oslo sugarplums dancing in everyone's heads.

Extrremism is evil, and it seems as though there is entirely too much of it these days.

[egyptfrk]

1 where is this article from?
2 what's the sample size?

Not to say that most of the Isralie youths aren't at least somewhat racist, I'm just a natural skeptic of statistics.

[Ace Pace]

1 where is this article from?
2 what's the sample size?

Not to say that most of the Isralie youths aren't at least somewhat racist, I'm just a natural skeptic of statistics.

The Article is in Maariv, one of the 3 big newspapers in Israel.
The sample size is something I can't find, probebly in the small print somewhere.

[tharkûn]

And people don't beleive me when I say that the Palestinians should cut a deal NOW, even if it is repugnant. It is only to get harder and harder to pass anything through the Knesset the longer the Palestinians wait. If you think the current electorate in Israel is hardass, just remember the fundies are outbreeding everyone else.

[Gil Hamilton]

And people don't beleive me when I say that the Palestinians should cut a deal NOW, even if it is repugnant. It is only to get harder and harder to pass anything through the Knesset the longer the Palestinians wait. If you think the current electorate in Israel is hardass, just remember the fundies are outbreeding everyone else.

Weren't you one of the people that was trying to tell me before that Israel was a liberal tolerant society who's all it's hardcore fundie nutcases live seperate from everyone in their little desert forts and the conservative influence on the Knesset wasn't a big thing?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Grrr...

Well Steve and his Iranian boyfriend wished me a happy Hannaka. (I must guess you need more of our culture to effect you)

[tharkûn]

Weren't you one of the people that was trying to tell me before that Israel was a liberal tolerant society who's all it's hardcore fundie nutcases live seperate from everyone in their little desert forts and the conservative influence on the Knesset wasn't a big thing?

There are 3 basic trends in the Knesset. Conservative vs liberal and hawkish vs dovish and fundie vs secularist. Right now hawkish vs dovish is dominating the Knesset. Most Israelis would love to sell the fundie settlers up the river ... IF it brought a lasting peace.

As I said before, the current violence is driving the electorate into the hawkish camps. You have hawkish secularlists like Shinui, you have hawkish liberals, and you have hawkish conservatives. The fundie hawks are a minority, and one much of the population would have no problem dumping if they weren't reliable political bed partners. Most Israelis care about security first and foremost. Even of those who are racists, many would love to see the far flung religious settlements go. They'd rather put the funds which subsidize the security of the settlements go into either the general budget or into security for the main population blocs in Israel.

The next generation, not the current electorate, is going to be worse because:
a. The fundies outbreed everyone else.
b. The non-fundies emigrate disproportionately.

The longer the Palestinians wait, the more these trends will express themselves.

[Ace Pace]

And thats why the Palestinians need to somehow push their support into the disengagment plan, however disadvantegous to them it is, next generation of leaders won't have Peres to lead the left or Sharon to strongarm the right, if they don't act now, their throwing away whats probebly their best chance.

[Gil Hamilton]

There are 3 basic trends in the Knesset. Conservative vs liberal and hawkish vs dovish and fundie vs secularist. Right now hawkish vs dovish is dominating the Knesset. Most Israelis would love to sell the fundie settlers up the river ... IF it brought a lasting peace.

As I said before, the current violence is driving the electorate into the hawkish camps. You have hawkish secularlists like Shinui, you have hawkish liberals, and you have hawkish conservatives. The fundie hawks are a minority, and one much of the population would have no problem dumping if they weren't reliable political bed partners. Most Israelis care about security first and foremost. Even of those who are racists, many would love to see the far flung religious settlements go. They'd rather put the funds which subsidize the security of the settlements go into either the general budget or into security for the main population blocs in Israel.

The next generation, not the current electorate, is going to be worse because:
a. The fundies outbreed everyone else.
b. The non-fundies emigrate disproportionately.

The longer the Palestinians wait, the more these trends will express themselves.

If the "fundies" are the minority, then why do 51% of the population want to disenfranchise their Arab population completely? That's a bit more than a minority.

[Ace Pace]

Most arn't neccersarily fundies, but people, who are 'mostly' average, who were bred with hatred in their homes, and basicly have the mantra of "Arabs are stupid fuckers who want to kill us all" drilled into their head from childhood, that, plus the fact we get terror alerts all the time, the massive stuff surrounding Memorial day, and the fact we are getting bombed, collects into a mindset that puts Arabs and "attacking israel" into the same thought, and results into that.

[tharkûn]

If the "fundies" are the minority, then why do 51% of the population want to disenfranchise their Arab population completely? That's a bit more than a minority.

Learn to read. 51% of teenagers hold that idiotic opinion. The rest of the population is less moronic. When you remember that the electorate reaches from the young to the octagenarians you will realize that the majority may hold one opinion even if a subset holds another.

Further it isn't just the fundies who want to disenfranchise the Arabs. Theocrats have never had a monopoly on racism. There are tons of secularist Israelis who are irrationally pissed at the Arabs because they beleive the Arabs want to kill them.

Even for this particular subset of the population the acceptance of Israeli Arabs will likely climb when they have some more life experience.

The fundie racist hawks are a minority. The hawks are a majority. As long as the average Israeli is frightened by the Arab bombings then they will continue to be hawks and that tendency will reinforce irrational conclusions.